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Christopher Hitchens: Godlessness Is Not Great How Atheism Poisons Everything
The New American ^ | Monday, 19 December 2011 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 12/20/2011 9:15:48 AM PST by Paladins Prayer

In writing this piece, I’m reminded of a little exchange between the late William F. Buckley and friend and fellow National Review writer Florence King. Buckley had just penned some less-than-flattering words about a recently deceased person of prominence whose name escapes me, and King chided him, saying something to the effect that he had broken ground in journalism: the “attack-obit.” Buckley’s response was, “Wait till you see the obituary I have planned for you!”

And in writing this critical article about bon vivant Christopher Hitchens in the wake of his death this past Thursday, I expect some ridicule as well. Yet I don’t think Hitchens would demand to be spared the acidic ink he used to eviscerate others — or that he would have any credibility doing so. Remember that this was the man who, before the gentle Jerry Falwell’s body was even cold, said things such as “If he [Falwell] had been given an enema, he could have been buried in a matchbox” and “I wish there was a Hell for Falwell.”

For my part, I wouldn’t wish eternal damnation on Hitchens; I truly hope he rests in peace. But I can’t say the same for his legacy. And when I see the obligatory exaltation of his life’s work — with secular icons, the deader they get, the better they were — I think that legacy needs a little damnation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; death; gagdadbob; hitchens; onecosmosblog; religion
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To: Notary Sojac
“it became (mostly) unacceptable in Western Europe to advocate the forced conversion or physical punishment of those who had a different faith.

That change is, in my opinion, crucial to the modern concept of individual liberty, since if the state can dictate how one may worship God, what can it not dictate?”

Excellent point - but I think it is also key to the answer of where the concepts that give rise to a Free Republic come from.

I think within Christianity there is the seed of the thought of acceptance of Christ being an individual choice - but it was hard for that seed to break through the crust of the entrenched idea of the State/Church with an official religion and official religious functionaries and the resulting forced conversion and violent suppression of any contrary theological thought.

Once the concept of ‘freedom of conscience’ arises alongside the idea of ‘natural rights of mankind’ within a populace - a free republic will become a possibility.

121 posted on 12/21/2011 3:47:22 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: BrandtMichaels
...you claimed “all the laws of physics and constants were established merely by chance, within just a few seconds after the theorized ‘Big Bang’.” and this has been proven exactly how?!

I didn't claim this has been proven. If your read my post again, you'll see that I stated "according to science all the laws of physics and constants were established merely by chance, within just a few seconds after the theorized ‘Big Bang’.” and this has been proven exactly how?!

No one has ever proven this. I am simply telling you what just about every cosmologist and astrophysicist tell us.

122 posted on 12/21/2011 6:00:47 PM PST by mtg
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To: metmom
And you know this how? What are your proofs for the cause, or lack thereof, of the laws and constants of physics being established *by chance*?

Please see my post #122.

123 posted on 12/21/2011 6:05:18 PM PST by mtg
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To: Krosan

I used to be a Militant Apathist, but I’ve mellowed quite a bit.


124 posted on 12/21/2011 7:04:36 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: mtg; metmom

OK, fine that’s what science [as in some nebulous astrophysicists and cosmologists] taught you,
- why yes you did say that in post #96 in so many words,

but then you did also underline ‘merely by chance’ [or maybe science taught that underline thingy too]

- so yeah sorry for the mistake(s)...


125 posted on 12/21/2011 7:43:43 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

oops post #94...


126 posted on 12/21/2011 7:45:31 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: mtg

Sorry, looking back over your many posts I think what I missed or lost in a string of responses was your intended sarcasm...


127 posted on 12/21/2011 8:10:02 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: Notary Sojac; MarDav; Burkean Buckleyite
Proverbs 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

That's a rather dim hope. You might do better by presenting an argument with fewer holes than a colander. Sadly atheism has become somewhat fashionable. Meanwhile society unravels. But one never know if a seed planted will bare fruit. Paul witnessed to many and the Bible records that some believed and some didn't.

What a shame, then, that he created so many billions that he didn't want added to his kingdom. Do you think that they get a break from the eternal hellfire? Say an hour or so every ten thousand years?? There will be no break from an eternity in hell. But God doesn't want anyone to perish. He has given us free will; He will respect our decision to choose or reject Him.

128 posted on 12/21/2011 8:32:38 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: BrandtMichaels
Sorry, looking back over your many posts I think what I missed or lost in a string of responses was your intended sarcasm...

No problem. I probably worded it badly.

129 posted on 12/21/2011 8:46:44 PM PST by mtg
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To: killermosquito

So... did God make Hell?


130 posted on 12/21/2011 9:04:35 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
So... did God make Hell?

IF you are asking about the 'last' fiery furnace that destroys the 'soul/spirit' entities of all the unrepentant rebels? That 'fire' pit has yet to be 'created', only the devil and a few of his henchmen have to date been judged to be erased (destroyed from within) forever. Judgment Day for every one else won't take place until final exams are taken. Exams follow required mandatory classes of the A B C's of the Creator and HIS perfection without the ugly evil influence of the first rebel narcissist.

131 posted on 12/21/2011 9:14:34 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Yes, hell was prepared for the devil and his angels.

There are two opposing forces. Good and Evil. Did God create evil or is evil the absence of good?

God is described as the creator and the devil as the destroyer. Were we created on purpose or did we occur by accident? How often does something good occur by accident? How likely will the occurrence of many accidents accumulate into something that is good?

God is described as Love. Love creates. Hate destroys.

Not only do I believe in God, I believe we are alone in the universe of billions and billions of galaxies and that we are the pinnacle of His creation. That is how special I believe we are to Him and that is why He chose to become one of us.

He paid a debt He didn’t owe because we owe a debt we cannot pay.


132 posted on 12/21/2011 9:32:38 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Of course. And it follows that God is fully aware of those who will exercise their free in making a choice not to follow/believe in Him. There was a good portion of my life where I used my free will to reject the Gospel message. When I look back, I can see the times where He was trying to communicate His message to me (through events in my life, through others sharing the gospel with me, etc.) and I simply ignored it, turned away from it, scorned it. I can also now see how He was keeping me alive(through the “happenstances of my life”), gracing me with time and opportunity to exercise that same free will to respond, finally reaching the point where I realize that all that is important in my life, or anyone else’s has its center, how they respond to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

This idea of free will brings us back to something I mentioned earlier to (I think it was) perfect_lady that dealt with God being a jealous God and being saddened when people choose to exercise their free will in choosing a “not-God” position. He longs for all to accept Him, come to Him, receive Him freely choosing to do so, not by force or compunction. It brings Him glory, provides evidence of His power to transform lives (even how a person thinks). This is the only reason I speak with folks on these forums about Christ, because I know that God used people to do the same thing in overpowering my own finite understanding when it comes to things eternal (read 1Corinthians chap. 2 dealing with the “natural” man and the “spiritual” man). When a person uses his free will to turn to God, it is because they have been overpowered by the the love and the grace of God in Christ—a moment has occurred where this decision, to receive Him as your savior, has become the very focus of your existence.

People have little/nothing to do with Christ because they choose to have it that way. People live for Christ because they have chosen to realize that God has loved them with an everlasting love and have stopped trying to fight against it.


133 posted on 12/22/2011 4:56:39 AM PST by MarDav
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To: BrandtMichaels
1.) Lumping Newton in with the ‘oddballs’ that were the ‘enlightenment’ imho they only included Newton to give some added weight to their deluded thinking.

A couple of those 'oddballs' write the 'deluded thinking' of The Second Treatise of Civil Government and An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. Without those you don't have America, or indeed what we call "Western civilization"

134 posted on 12/22/2011 5:00:08 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: killermosquito; Just mythoughts

When exactly did He make Hell?


135 posted on 12/22/2011 5:39:13 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Just mythoughts

I mean, the current, operational Hell. Unless you’re saying there isn’t any yet, which is directly opposed to the other poster’s assertion that it has already been made.


136 posted on 12/22/2011 5:40:28 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Notary Sojac
"And by the way, if orthodox Christianity is true, both of my loving parents are now in eternal torment, aren't they?"

Not so fast

137 posted on 12/22/2011 6:51:54 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Notary Sojac; allmendream; BrandtMichaels
"See, here we go. The doctrine that an old universe is heretical and anti-Christian has probably driven hundreds of thousands (if not more) away from Christianity. It certainly has had a role in my case for one."

"I am opposed to anything that would make Christianity look like a foolish or inadequate philosophy. I consider that to be a kind of sin against the Holy Spirit. Anyone who has had to overcome a bad case of Jesus Willies will know exactly what I mean. My inability to embrace Christianity earlier in my life was not only a matter of pride, nor only a result of the ubiquitous distortions and intellectual dishonesty of the radical secularists.

"Rather, there was a considerable amount of stupidity -- and therefore spiritual darkness -- in the forms of Christianity to which I was exposed, and which would have required an absence of self-respect on my part in order to embrace."

Surfing the Evolutionary Waves of Cosmic Energy

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"Now, metaphysics is all about first principles. .... my intention is to have a completely consistent metaphysic, so that, in order to answer any question, I need only "return to first principles" to answer it. In this sense, [Metaphysical] Darwinism is a lie, because it cannot furnish any consistent first principles. In fact, whenever a committed Darwinist tries, they end up making self-refuting statements right out of the box....

"But so too, in my opinion, do literal "creationists." Of course you are free to insist upon young earth creationism, but you must know that it is going to contradict so much evidence that you will essentially have to split your mind in two. You will live in a scientific world with all of its blessings, and yet, a part of you will have to reject it, or at least not be able to fully integrate it into your belief system. ....

"....For better or worse, the way my mind is built, it seeks unity or wholeness, which is a very different thing from "unicity." In other words, to simply accept an ideology -- whether scientific or religious -- and superimpose it on the world would be an example of unicity. Such a worldview will be "consistent" but it will not be complete, as it will necessarily have to omit a lot of details and anomalies.

"Or, I could accept both science and religion, and not worry about the lack of reconciliation. Such a world view will be more complete, but it will lack consistency.

"[We wish] to have a maximum of completeness and consistency -- at least as much as Gödel will allow. Which is a lot, once you accept the implications of his theorems, one of which is that truth is prior to our fragmentary logical "proofs" of it.

HERE

138 posted on 12/22/2011 7:39:13 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: Krosan
"I am pretty sure the spaghetti monster does not exist. Also I am pretty sure about the other popular gods - Jesus, Allah, Thor, Shiva .... And I am not even an atheist."

Creation Myths of the Tenured

139 posted on 12/22/2011 8:09:52 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: betty boop; Notary Sojac; Alamo-Girl; xzins; metmom
"Whatever the case, the notion of a thoroughly-determined, "clock-work universe" has been totally exploded by twentieth-century quantum physics...."

"....nothing can happen in the world of science that is inconsistent with the existence of God. To cite one prominent example that comes to us via quantum physics, if this were a Newtonian universe of logical atomism -- i.e., a cosmos of completely disconnected parts -- that ontology would be radically inconsistent with the existence of the immanent God. To put it another way, the infinite sea of quantum potential is a kind of exteriorized mirror image of God's interior. .....

"...as Ware points out,

"Creation is continual. If we are to be accurate when speaking of creation, we should use not the past tense but the continuous present. We should say, not 'God made the world, and me in it,' but 'God is making the world, and me in it, here and now, at this moment and always.' Creation is not an event in the past, but is a relationship to the present."

"Which is why you are called (i.e., it is your summa voc-ation) to live your life with love and creativity, or even "creative love," which is again to be a proper mirror and image of the Creator. Or, to quote Augustine, "Creation precisely affirms a principle of origin, but not necessarily a principle of duration.... God is before the world of duration, yet the word 'before' does not mean a priority of time, but of eternity...."

140 posted on 12/22/2011 8:30:50 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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