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McCain: Payroll-tax fight ‘harming the Republican Party’ (Scott Brown attacks Republicans)
The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2011-12-20 | Jonathan Easley

Posted on 12/20/2011 3:52:31 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said the failure of the House to approve the bipartisan Senate bill to extend the payroll-tax cut is “harming the Republican Party.”

Speaking Tuesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” McCain said that while it’s inevitable that the tax cut will ultimately be extended, the infighting reflects poorly on Republicans and Congress as a whole.

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McCain was one of 89 senators who overwhelmingly voted to extend the payroll-tax cut through February to give the sides more time to come to an agreement on how to pay for it. House Republicans say that debate should happen now.

Some GOP senators — a number of whom are up for re-election next year — have blasted House Republican leaders for not getting rank-and-file members to back the Senate bill.

“It angers me that House Republicans would rather continue playing politics than find solutions,” centrist Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.) said in a news release. “Their actions will hurt American families and be detrimental to our fragile economy. We are Americans first; now is not the time for drawing lines in the sand.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 112th; bho44; congress; councilofweasels; dingyharry; idiots; mccain; obama; rino; rinos4obama; scottbrown; taxes; traitor; votethemallout
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1 posted on 12/20/2011 3:52:38 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385
Elizabeth Warren can not be any worse than Scott Brown.

F him. Massachusetts can have her as their Senator. They're a bunch of communists anyway.

2 posted on 12/20/2011 3:56:01 PM PST by eCSMaster
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, I hate to say it, but they are right. The way that the House handled this made them look like real idiots.


3 posted on 12/20/2011 3:57:18 PM PST by klute
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To: rabscuttle385

4 posted on 12/20/2011 3:57:36 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: rabscuttle385

Embarrassing that the GOP ran him as the Presidential candidate in 2008.


5 posted on 12/20/2011 3:58:15 PM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: rabscuttle385
Looks like they are going to kiss in that photo. Or McScum is going to kiss his rear end. Simply: SHUP UP McCain. You boat has sailed. Kindly go to the dungeon.
6 posted on 12/20/2011 3:59:28 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The End of Days draws near. In this time, you should be drawing closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.)
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To: rabscuttle385

(rabscuttle385 attacks Scott Brown)


7 posted on 12/20/2011 3:59:38 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (I will go back to New Hampshire to campaign.)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain is actually right but, of course, for all the wrong reasons. His reason: The House Republicans are a bunch of Tea Party led irresponsible, immature renegades. The truth: The MSM will always blame the GOP and they will get away with it. Always have, always will.

That' just the way it is so either you fight for your principles or you let the MSM/Dem coalition rule your life.

8 posted on 12/20/2011 4:00:13 PM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: rabscuttle385

Dumb Mc!

That short extension would cause havoc with companies/corporations that have large payrolls. They were have to retool software for the 2-month extension and re-tool for the next rendition.

==

Yeah, Mc. It looks good on paper, but in actuality, it is just another Congressional boondoggle.


9 posted on 12/20/2011 4:02:43 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: eCSMaster

Unless Elizabeth is prepared to wear a suicide bomber belt onto the floor of the Senate, she most certainly IS worse than Scott.


10 posted on 12/20/2011 4:06:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain: Payroll-tax fight ‘harming the Republican Party’ (Scott Brown attacks Republicans)

John...

You didn't get the votes in 2008. Must the message be delivered with a 2 by 4? We wouldn't vote for a RINO then, and today your mouth is harming the Republcan party; again.

Better to be silent and be thought a RINO, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

11 posted on 12/20/2011 4:07:02 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: rabscuttle385
McCain: Payroll-tax fight ‘harming the Republican Party’

Well if anybody is an expert at harming the GOP, McCain would be it.

12 posted on 12/20/2011 4:08:29 PM PST by skully (I don't need no steenking tagline!!)
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To: eCSMaster
Elizabeth Warren can not be any worse than Scott Brown.

Uh yeah, she is a lot worse actually. Warren is on the radical, far left. Brown is merely a RINO - a mushy moderate that denies the Democrats that seat.

And the House is not winning the payroll tax cut PR war. It looks suspiciously like Boehner and McConnell made a deal with Reid for the 2 month tax cut extension with the Keystone language in it, and McConnell delivered his votes and Boehner couldn't. This deal was considered a GOP win until the House decided it wouldn't go along. Now Boehner is making a virtue of necessity because he doesn't have the votes.

What is the end game here? The bill passed the Senate already, and because Obama accepted the Keystone stuff it makes it appear he negotiated and didn't get everything he wanted but went along anyway for the sake of bipartisanship (even though we know he was just stuck because many Senate Democrats support Keystone). The House is now out on a limb with nowhere to go. Senate Republicans are furious and don't want to come back to town. House Democrats are just having fun lampooning House Republicans. Hussein is busy saying he didn't get everything he wanted but tried to reach common ground with "responsible" Republicans. And if we don't change the dynamic in the next 2 weeks pretty much all working Americans taxes are going up because the payroll tax cut will expire. How exactly do we get a win out of this situation? It IS hurting the Republican party.

In the end, the House will likely have to pass the Senate version anyway. So what are we gaining now having bungled this fight? More than likely we are going to have to chalk this one up as a loss and come back in 2 months with everyone on the same page.

13 posted on 12/20/2011 4:10:12 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: klute
Not really. The House voted for a one year cut. The Senate voted for a 1/6 year cut.

The average guy out there who is going to have to pay the tax sees it that way ~ and what's he going to get out of it?

There's going to be no Social Security benefit for the overwhelming majority of those charged FICA today.

The Democrats actually think the general public is concerned with SS ~ that time has come and GONE. They are very much concerned with their take home pay ~ if they are working.

Did you realize this is not an issue at all for the 20 million young people who are now into their fourth year of unemployment!

14 posted on 12/20/2011 4:10:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: rabscuttle385

In this case, McCain is right. It is a stupid, Obama-slated “tax cut,” which only deserves to be extended two months so they can push the pipeline bill through.

If Boner was worth anything at all, he would vote for the 2 month extension, but make it clear that the Republicans will NOT extend it again unless the pipeline is APPROVED.

Because otherwise, Obama may still get someone to shoot it down.


15 posted on 12/20/2011 4:12:09 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m for anything that upsets McLame and Brown -

Asswhipes taking shots at their own party.

The category after “useful idiot” is traitor.


16 posted on 12/20/2011 4:13:03 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Longbow1969
Sorry, your viewpoint is consistent only with the elderly and those who will retire soon ~ and the US Senate age bracket pretty much fits that description.

The House is much younger. They would probably vote to ELIMINATE INDIVIDUAL FICA PAYMENT NOW. Just get it over with. In the average House member's mind there will be no SS in a couple of decades.

17 posted on 12/20/2011 4:13:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: rabscuttle385

On Fox News, they just announced that the House is going on vacation beginning tonight. I certainly hope that is not true. They should work until they pass something. Why can’t they work until Friday. That still gives them 2 days to get home for Christmas.


18 posted on 12/20/2011 4:13:51 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

This is an inside the beltway drama, who else cares ?


19 posted on 12/20/2011 4:15:41 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Longbow1969

How exactly do we get a win out of this situation?
The Senate agrees to a 12 month extension- we win.

It IS hurting the Republican party.
What’s hurting the Party is refusing to give the Tea Party anything.


20 posted on 12/20/2011 4:18:04 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: napscoordinator
Actually, it would be fine with me if they just locked the whole place up for a few years and stayed home.

I'm think that the time of the Federal Government has come and gone.

It's more of a hinderance than a help.

The only exception is protecting the nation from foreign attack.

/johnny

21 posted on 12/20/2011 4:20:30 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: napscoordinator

The House appointed it’s conferees.
There’s nothing more they need to, or can, do until the Senators come back from vacation to a conference.

Heck, the conference can probably be done by phone and
then a few members in each chamber will show up and pass whatever they come up with by voice vote.
There’s no problem doing this.


22 posted on 12/20/2011 4:22:50 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: rabscuttle385

SSDD.

They are ROMNEY-Republicans.

The are anti-conservative. anti-Tea Party.
and pro-IAG and pro-Sharia.


23 posted on 12/20/2011 4:26:55 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: klute

Oh, how I hate agreeing with mccain. But I don’t understand why extending it for two months now then extending it for a year when the two months are up is a bad thing. Is it worth fighting for at Christmas? The republicans just can’t figure out where to pick their battles. Could it be the elites want to help obama win? The elites got obama elected in the first place.


24 posted on 12/20/2011 4:28:10 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: mrsmith

Maybe so but Fox News seems to think this is a bad idea. They said if the President stays in Washington than the Congress should too. I am sure they could EASILY stay another four days.


25 posted on 12/20/2011 4:29:35 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: mrsmith

We got em right where we want em.

the GOP did their job. Passed a 1 yr. extension.

IF they don’t like it, then negotiate.

I personally don’t like raiding the Soc. Security FICA to
pay for Obama going around the country touting his “MIDDLE CLASS”
tax cut like FRIGGIN santa claus —

IT”S MY FREAKIN SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IN THE FUTURE THAT HE IS
RAPING FROM ME and telling me i have to like the rape

when if you make =>$100,000 you get $2,000,
if you make $50,000 you get $1000

IT’S REGRESSIVE actually.

BUt hey Obama flunked math, logic and geometry in high school.


26 posted on 12/20/2011 4:33:26 PM PST by preamble
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To: rabscuttle385
I hate you John McCain.

You are an embarrassment. What is wrong with people in Arizona? Heat get to them?

My wife works at a payroll processing company and she's LIVID over the idea of screwing up the Soc Sec tax rates in the first quarter.

Since McCain is TOO STUPID to understand the bureaucratic mess he want so create to hell with him.

Old fool. Give in to the Dems. Give in to a moronic idea because you think your crap doesn't smell.

I hope you get coal for Christmas John.

27 posted on 12/20/2011 4:36:00 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll vote for Mitt Romney when Hell freezes over. He'd be as bad as Obama.)
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To: napscoordinator

http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx
“Last Floor Action:
6:41:24 P.M. - The House adjourned pursuant to a previous special order. The next meeting is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on December 21, 2011. “

I assume most went home to wait on the lordly Senators’ pleasure. Of course the media will make it appear to be anything except what it is...


28 posted on 12/20/2011 4:42:39 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: preamble
IT”S MY FREAKIN SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK IN THE FUTURE THAT HE IS RAPING FROM ME

You're an idiot if you trust the Feds with your money.

29 posted on 12/20/2011 4:54:03 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: muawiyah
Sorry, your viewpoint is consistent only with the elderly and those who will retire soon ~ and the US Senate age bracket pretty much fits that description.

I don't have any earthly idea how you got that from my post. If I had my druthers I'd abolish Social Security tomorrow.

I was pointing out that the House was losing the PR war on the issue and are now in a no win situation. An agreement was obviously reached between Boehner/McConnell and Reid that included the 2 month payroll tax cut extension and the Keystone language. This was regarded as a GOP win until the House Republicans balked. McConnell delivered his votes in the Senate but Boehner couldn't in the House. Now it is House Republicans against everyone - to include House Democrats, Senate Republicans, Senate Democrats and Obama. House Republicans are out on a ledge and they will end up having to cave because if they don't the payroll tax cuts expire and all working American's taxes go up - and that would be a public relations disaster. Because the 2 month deal was already passed in the Senate with most Republicans agreeing, the Democrats have perfect cover and can simply walk away laughing at House Republicans because they know they will have to give in.

So while I don't like McCain at all, on the politics he is quite correct on this issue. On the merits the House Republicans are correct, but the fight has been so badly bungled already that we will likely have to cave, lick our wounds and come back in 2 months with hopefully everyone on the same page. Most importantly, Boehner needs to stop making deals he doesn't have the votes for.

30 posted on 12/20/2011 4:56:57 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: mrsmith
What’s hurting the Party is refusing to give the Tea Party anything.

Boehner apparently believed getting Keystone in the deal and making sure the payroll tax cuts weren't "paid for" by millionaire tax increases was delivering a victory to the Tea Party. He obviously took that deal to McConnell, got an agreement with Reid, and then discovered his sweeteners weren't enough for the Tea Party. The problem here seems to be that either Boehner is making deals he doesn't have the votes for, or the Tea Party caucus is telling Boehner to make deals and then getting pressured by their constituents and backing out of them. One of the two things is happening, probably some combination of the two.

31 posted on 12/20/2011 5:01:31 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

But the next extension- in two months- will have to be paid for by new taxes. And the Tea Prty will be put in the position of saying ‘no’ then. Which won’t hold.

It’s the Senate- 3 Rs up for reelection this year blasted the House for turning down the two-month bill, only 9(IIRC) R Senators voted against it. Beside the RINO-Tea Party antipathy there’s institutional advantage to the Senate in manipulating Boehner’s caucus.


32 posted on 12/20/2011 5:10:10 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: Longbow1969
Look, you're reading the MSM and they are projecting a partisan reading of how things are being looked at.

Young people making half a living wage still get tagged for FICA. It is a grossly regressive tax.

They do not expect to ever get any benefits from SS.

Think of how they look at it ~ namely, that the less they have to pay in FICa the better!

33 posted on 12/20/2011 5:15:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: mrsmith
But the next extension- in two months- will have to be paid for by new taxes. And the Tea Prty will be put in the position of saying ‘no’ then. Which won’t hold.

I am only arguing the politics of the thing. On the merits, House Republicans are quite correct. The problem is, we needed to have a unified front and we don't. Senate Republicans voted for this thing and have either left town or want to. This leaves House Republicans against..well..pretty much everyone. They are going to end up having to cave because the politics of it are working too strongly against them.

34 posted on 12/20/2011 5:17:11 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
BTW, it's NOT a PR disaster for the Republicans to hold out for a whole year of FICA reduction ~ even if FICA goes back up on January 1.

Folks know the People's House is looking out for their interests ~ which are, during the Great Obama Recession, their net income.

Obama and the Democrats will have to back down.

35 posted on 12/20/2011 5:19:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: klute

explain please...


36 posted on 12/20/2011 5:21:40 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Longbow1969

“we needed to have a unified front and we don’t. Senate Republicans voted for this thing “

We can’t force the Senate to work with us, Boehner we can.

I think if the House fights for a 12 month extension instead of two they’ll win. The media will do it’s best to keep the issue from being framed that way. But whatever PR price we pay now will be less than we’d pay in two months IMO.

As long as we get the the 12 months.


37 posted on 12/20/2011 5:27:39 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: klute
There are a lot of questions. Why didn't McConnell coordinate this with the House, which had already passed its bill? Did Boehner initiate any contact with McConnell? Did Boehner agree to the Senate solution only to find that his own troops disagreed with it?

I wouldn't assign sole blame to the House. The Senate hasn't passed a budget in over two year. They passed their bill and left town without any thought of a conference committee. Essentially, it was a take it or leave proposition with the House holding the bag. Why should the House defer to the Senate? There are many differences between the two bills. It is not just about two months versus a year. McCain, Lugar, and Brown are not exactly conservatives.

38 posted on 12/20/2011 5:33:02 PM PST by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

John McLame.

Arizona, I love you but you really let us down in 2010.


39 posted on 12/20/2011 5:35:06 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: rabscuttle385
I despise McCain more than anyone. But he is DEAD RIGHT. This is idiotic. Who the hell cares about a stupid 2% SS adjustment? It is meaningless to most Americans, and not worth all this agita - for which the media will blame the GOP 100%.

But...it gets worse:

The Republicans' Holiday Gift To President Obama

Summary: A proposal by House Republicans to roll back the maximum duration of unemployment benefits from 99 weeks to 59 passed the House by 234 to 193. If such a plan also passes the Senate, that would be politically ideal for President Obama.
Reducing the amount of time people can collect unemployment benefits would clearly cut the unemployment rate below 8 percent by election time, greatly improving the President’s chances for reelection. Yet the President could nevertheless pretend not to appreciate this generous gift and instead castigate Republicans for being as cheap as Scrooge and as mean as the Grinch. From Obama’s point of view, that’s an ideal combination.

Brilliant, huh? As Mark Levin always reminds us - John Boehner is simply not up to the job of Speaker.

40 posted on 12/20/2011 5:56:09 PM PST by montag813
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To: rabscuttle385

If Brown and McCain are pissed then Boehner did right.


41 posted on 12/20/2011 6:26:57 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: Longbow1969
How exactly do we get a win out of this situation? It IS hurting the Republican party.

So you think that the vast majority of House Republicans are wrong? We do not want this issue to come back before the election. The win is either the issue goes away or the President and his Senate lap dogs allow taxes to go up on working Americans.

The Senators will whine like little bitches but they will come back.

42 posted on 12/20/2011 6:38:33 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: napscoordinator
I certainly hope that is not true. They should work until they pass something.

The house did pass a 1 year extension, then the Senate passed a 2 month extension, then the Senate left town. The next step is reconciliation by BOTH houses then another vote by BOTH houses.

43 posted on 12/20/2011 6:44:50 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: Longbow1969
What is the end game here? The bill passed the Senate already, and because Obama accepted the Keystone stuff it makes it appear he negotiated and didn't get everything he wanted but went along anyway for the sake of bipartisanship (even though we know he was just stuck because many Senate Democrats support Keystone).

Beg to differ.

As written, the Senate payroll bill cannot be implemented. Every payroll system in the USA will have to be re-written in order to accommodate it -- during the next two weeks.

Not going to happen.

Was this out of ignorance? Or was it by design?

Harry Reid gave the Senate Democrats a clever way to vote for the Keystone pipeline -- without forcing the President into a veto he does not want to cast.

Obviously, the Senate bill cannot/should not be passed by the House. It's unworkable.

What was the purpose of a two-month extension anyway? What purpose was served?

44 posted on 12/20/2011 6:47:04 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Cicero
Because otherwise, Obama may still get someone to shoot it down.

That pipeline will not be built under the Obama Regime.

45 posted on 12/20/2011 6:54:18 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: montag813
I despise McCain more than anyone. But he is DEAD RIGHT. This is idiotic. Who the hell cares about a stupid 2% SS adjustment? It is meaningless to most Americans, and not worth all this agita - for which the media will blame the GOP 100%.

You seem to be missing the point. The House passed its bill first and outlined not only a year's extension of the payroll contribution cut of 2%, but also included other issues like the pipeline, how the cut will be paid for including a freeze on federal employee salaries including Congress. The Senate bill has a different approach including tax increases.

The Senate hasn't approved a budget for over two years. It had the nerve to pass its bill and leave town leaving the House to deal with a take it or leave it approach rather than the normal way Congress operates. Is the Rep controlled House an equal to the Dem-controlled Senate or must the House defer to the Senate? And by extending the payroll contribution cut for only two months, the battle will be rejoined again allowing the Dems another opportunity to demagog the issue again, more than likely until November with a string of extensions. And there are some very real practical considerations in trying to implement two months at a time.

It is idiotic if the Reps cave in to the Dems once again. Here is the comparison between the two bills:

House bill, approved last Tuesday:

_Price tag over $180 billion.

_Keeps this year's 4.2 percent Social Security payroll tax rate paid by 160 million workers through the end of 2012, instead of rising to 6.2 percent on Jan. 1.

_Extends expiring benefits for the long-term jobless through 2012, but at a maximum of 79 weeks coverage, less in some cases, which is well below this year's 99-week limit. Revamps program to require beneficiaries without high school diplomas to seek an equivalent degree; lets states test applicants for illegal drug use.

_Prevents 27 percent cut in Medicare payments to doctors for 2012.

_Blocks Obama administration rule curbing pollution from industrial boilers; extends tax break for businesses buying equipment for 2012.

_Price tag over $180 billion.

_Keeps this year's 4.2 percent Social Security payroll tax rate paid by 160 million workers through the end of 2012, instead of rising to 6.2 percent on Jan. 1.

Requires President Barack Obama to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline within 60 days unless he declares the project would not serve the national interest.

_Paid for by extending current pay freeze on civilian federal workers another year through 2013 and requires them to contribute more toward their pensions; raises fee Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac charge for insuring mortgages; raises Medicare premiums paid by higher-income elderly; cuts some health care overhaul law programs; sells part of broadcast spectrum; prevents illegal immigrant parents from collecting child tax credit refund checks; bars food stamps, unemployment benefits for the wealthy.

Senate bill, approved Saturday:

_Price tag $33 billion.

_Extends 2-percentage-point cut in Social Security payroll tax through Feb. 29.

_Renews benefits for the long-term unemployed at current levels through Feb. 29, no other changes in program.

__Prevents 27 percent cut in Medicare payments to doctors; extends other health care fees through Feb. 29.

__Same provision on Keystone as House.

__Paid for by increasing home loan guarantee fees charged to mortgage lenders by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration by one-tenth of 1 percentage point. The fee is passed on to home buyers and will apply to many new purchases and refinancings starting Jan. 1.

46 posted on 12/20/2011 7:43:06 PM PST by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

Stop F-ing around with the Stupid S. We need to be ready to do Syria or Iran unless you’re willing to accept nuclear war in the ME.

Get your priorities straight.


47 posted on 12/20/2011 8:23:53 PM PST by Justa
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To: eCSMaster; rabscuttle385
Elizabeth Warren can not be any worse than Scott Brown.

F him. Massachusetts can have her as their Senator. They're a bunch of communists anyway.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. The GOP has 11 % of registered voters in MA. The rats got only 38 %, and the Indies are over 50 % of registered voters in MA. Brown is the best you're going to get in MA. Save your ire for RINOs that we can maybe do without like Snowe and Collins. The Tea Party had good results in Maine in 2010.

48 posted on 12/20/2011 9:12:06 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: kabar

Good post on the breakdown of the two different bills. I am against the 2% cut to the underfunded SS program.

I have to ask, where is the hit to the wealthy? Everyone needs to pony up to help get this debt under control.

I’m a fed employee making 64k/yr as a technician working under a pay freeze. The house bill extends that freeze and also raises my contribution to retirement, a hit that will show on my paycheck.

Extending unemployment helps those in need but also benefits businesses and the wealthy. I don’t see the house bill as being equal in how to pay for it.

I’m a conservative who supported Cain but I would have voted NO on house bill.


49 posted on 12/21/2011 9:00:26 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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Besides being against the 2% SS tax cut, I would have voted NO on senate bill due to ethics. A two month extension is no way of doing business and doubt the .1% loan fee will ever pay the 33 billion tab.


50 posted on 12/21/2011 9:21:52 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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