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The Madness of Ron Paul
AmericanThinker.com ^ | December 21, 2011 | Adam Yoshida

Posted on 12/21/2011 8:44:41 AM PST by servo1969

I believe that Texas Congressman Ron Paul and his followers have good intentions. However, as any conservative can attest, having good intentions does not exempt a person from the consequences of his actions or views. Given that, by diverting and dividing the right at a time when we can ill afford to be distracted, the extremist views held by Paul and his merry band of libertarian Bolsheviks are very dangerous. Libertarianism is an important strand of conservative thought, and to have its principal representative at a moment such as this be as extreme a figure as Representative Paul is, in truth, destructive to the ideals that he claims to hold dear.

This is not to deplore the libertarian creed in its entirety. On the contrary, almost all examples of government intervention in both public and private life have results that fall somewhere between unproductive and destructive. However, on a practical level, anyone with any long-term exposure to human beings ought to understand that a fully libertarian society is as impossible as a fully communist one. To wit, if everyone were willing to intelligently pursue his self-interest (or, indeed, were capable of doing it), then we could have a fully libertarian society. If everyone were willing to set aside self-interest in the name of the common good, then we could have a communist society. Since neither is possible, we can have neither.

This is where Paul and his followers go astray. On one issue after another, they take wholly unrealistic positions rooted in an ideologically perfected and entirely imaginary alternative to reality and then assail any who disagree with them as being in opposition to human liberty, the Constitution, and all of the other fine things that they claim to be upholding.

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KEYWORDS: lewrockwell; libertarianism; madness; paul; paul2012; ron

1 posted on 12/21/2011 8:44:43 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

“Breaking News”???


2 posted on 12/21/2011 8:51:05 AM PST by marshmallow (.)
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To: servo1969

Splitting the vote. I’ve always thought of the Libertarian party as taking one step away from conservatism and walking down the road toward liberalism.

Paul is another Ross Perot.


3 posted on 12/21/2011 8:52:06 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: servo1969

Ron Paul is not even a Libertarian, he is an anarchist. People wonder where he is getting his support? Try Occupy movement, the different factions of the anarchist movement.

His outspoken support of Bradley Manning calling HIM a HERO is outragous.

By the way on the vid I posted on another thread he voiced support for the homosexuals.


4 posted on 12/21/2011 8:53:30 AM PST by marty60
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To: servo1969

Our founders held extreme libertarian ideals. They didn’t hold those in check for the revolution because Samuel Adams was too extreme or a lightening rod.

But we do not have any inspiring candidates which leaves us voting AGAINST rather than enthusiastically FOR a candidate. All candidates want to tinker at the margins and out tax credit the other guy.

Is Romney the “best” we can do? Heaven help us


5 posted on 12/21/2011 8:55:27 AM PST by ccwman
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To: servo1969

Ron Paul will not win in Iowa because of the goodness of folks. Ron Paul supporters will not be able to recruit supporters because they are worse than aggressive cultists that visit your front door. If you think Ron Paul is Coco Puffs his supporters are even worse and will be rejected by the folks in Iowa.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 8:55:46 AM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: servo1969
You want MADNESS?????? here's Madness..
In the 2008 Presidential elections Ron Paul endorsed four canidates they were;

Chuck Baldwin,
Bob Barr,
Cynthia McKinney,
and Ralph Nader

7 posted on 12/21/2011 8:56:20 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: servo1969

Yep lunacy to get rid of the fed reserve, EPA and every dept of dictatorship you can name. I disagree with him on foreign policy, but we have problems within. Who else will abolish the income tax? If he stops talking, the IRS, the fed and all the rest can keep us under their thumb. So we are in a poor position, keep status quo and implode or try a different strategy. Unfortunately, without Herman, we are probaly stuck with taxation without representation. I hope I am wrong.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 8:58:32 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: servo1969

This opinion piece is really not at all helpful. The author is basically saying that Paul is idealistic and has some of the same ideas that our founding fathers had and therefore he and his followers are Bolsheviks and mad.

I think that more people are taking a look at the “crazy uncle” of conservative politics and actually reading his position statements because they are totally dissatisfied with the jumble of “practical” candidates floating out there now.

It would be interesting if this author had drawn any factual evidence supporting his position. But it sounds like he is hanging his hat on two things - the fed is good and necessary (as evidenced by how well things are going now?) and legalizing some illicit drugs is bad because we would have to pay to take care of all the new abusers (not thinking through what we already spend related to alcohol abuse or supporting the ATF, FBI, TSA, DEA, Gun Runner, etc )


9 posted on 12/21/2011 8:59:00 AM PST by monkeypants (It's a Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: servo1969
People who don't know who Murray Rothbard is or what the Austrian School is have no business voting for Paul.

If someone hides, even through omission, their true ideals and influences we should be extremely wary of them. Ron Paul scares the crap out of me...

And last time we tried (we being the human race) to implement an untested economic system how’d that work out?

10 posted on 12/21/2011 8:59:32 AM PST by oldleft
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To: vicar7

If you check out the web. You will find that Pauls support is coming mainly from the Occupy types, various anarchists groups, and ofcourse his neo-nazi types.

It is downright dangerous to the Republican Party how these people are openly calling for their members to register as Repubs so they can vote for Paul.

Obama wonders where his supporters are? THEY ARE VOTING FOR RON PAUL.


11 posted on 12/21/2011 9:01:43 AM PST by marty60
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To: marty60
You will find that Pauls support is coming mainly from the Occupy types, various anarchists groups, and ofcourse his neo-nazi types.

You omitted a fourth support group: the stoners.

Some overlap with the Occupy types, I'd grant. But an important sub-group of Paul's supporters, nonetheless.

12 posted on 12/21/2011 9:05:13 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

A person would have to be stoned to vote for Paul.


13 posted on 12/21/2011 9:08:43 AM PST by marty60
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To: monkeypants

“It would be interesting if this author had drawn any factual evidence supporting his position.”

No factual evidence? Sort of like most of Ron Paul’s comments in his speeches to his cheering cult, huh? e.g. “glee” in the Bush White House after 9/11, let Iran have nukes, offer Iran friendship, close all US military bases overseas....


14 posted on 12/21/2011 9:10:06 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: marty60

“A person would have to be stoned to vote for Paul.”

A big percentage of his cult have that hidden agenda; easier supply, cheaper, and legal dope smoking. If he flip-flopped on dope smoking, his cult base would erode.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 9:12:33 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: servo1969
When I first got on internet in 1993 it seemed to be mostly full of IT geek types and mostly Libertarians. I generally liked a lot of their ideas until you got to the border. Then they said there should be no borders and free flow of people and goods. Basically they ignore the idea of countries in the name if individualism. For a while we had the Libertarian Republicans which was a influential group well supported by Newt back in 1995. In Texas we actually go up to 10% of the vote and some local elections. In the end the Libertarians became a debating society. Libertarians do not know how to moderate their public thoughts to be electable and accepted by the general public. I happen to believe in the legalization and taxation of drugs but Libertarians tend to loose that argument in the way they sell it. On the local talk radio shows there are no more argumentative people who often end up yelling than Ron Paul supporters. Its a shame they many great ideas. However they are naive in the workings of the world and politics.
16 posted on 12/21/2011 9:12:54 AM PST by pwatson
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To: marty60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pYWvB9fEg

An oldie. Just needs a “Ron Paul for President” streaming across the bottom.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 9:13:57 AM PST by Mach9
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To: pwatson
"""""On the local talk radio shows there are no more argumentative people who often end up yelling than Ron Paul supporters.""""

Like many yuths', they have the "SQUEAKY WHEEL SYNDROME" it seems, but don't you just hate lazy whining spoiled brats? So Passe!

18 posted on 12/21/2011 9:31:50 AM PST by annieokie
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To: servo1969

Conservative voters have been asked to choose pragmatism over idealism for 20 years. The establishment has visited that well too many times.

Not me, not ever again. Give me a candidate who has unshakable loyalty to the consitution or forget about my support.

People please realize that if we continue to accept this, they will continue to present this to us as the only “viable” option. Drawing the line in the sand right now.

Given the choice between anti freedom socialists and anti freedom socialists is to be given the choice between fast demise or slow demise.

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.


19 posted on 12/21/2011 9:36:39 AM PST by Kinzua (Are you ready to admit that electing Obama was a mistake?)
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To: servo1969
extremist views held by Paul and his merry band of libertarian Bolsheviks

I see. If you reject Globalism and you want the US government to abide by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights you are an extremist and a Bolshevik. That's rich.

It ironic because Ron Paul is the only candidate and one of the very few national politicians opposes the same Banksters that brought the Bolsheviks into power.

Wall St. and the Bolshevik Revolution

20 posted on 12/21/2011 9:40:33 AM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: Roninf5-1

I’m thankful for articulate persons like yourself. Just read these threads and its easy to see the anti Paul people are losing this argument and losing badly.

I’m embarrassed for them that all they can offer is ridicule and ridicule by association.

Everyone realizes that sort of tactic is reserved for the side with the weaker position.

Keep on calling names and slinging mud boys, you’ll alienate more thoughtful people and cause others to wonder why you’re so hysterical.

The consitutional position is gaining momentime and the powers that be are shaking in their boots. This is terrific and really has very little to do the Ron Paul.

If you are successful at marginalizing him personally, someone else is likely to pick up the torch.

This is awesome.


21 posted on 12/21/2011 9:50:02 AM PST by Kinzua (Are you ready to admit that electing Obama was a mistake?)
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To: marty60

It will be too embarrassing to have Ron Paul win anything so it will not happen. Appealing to reasonableness will work so it will not happen in Iowa. Appealing to the goodness of folks rather throwing chaos into the process. I understand folks in general are basically sinners but Paul supporters resort to the lowest common denominator and are quite delusional to the point of being scary. We cannot allow scary to win especially since the the most evil dude awaits in November needing to be handed his behind.


22 posted on 12/21/2011 9:56:51 AM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: servo1969

Why don’t we hear of the Madness of Myth Romney?..
The madness of Barack Obama or even of idiots Axlerod.. or Biden?..

But no the madness of Paul the only one willing to follow the Constitution completely..
But Newt may be getting on that Constitution train (somewhat) soon to be called “crazy”...


23 posted on 12/21/2011 10:00:23 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Beowulf9
Paul is another Ross Perot.

No way! While Ross Perot was almost as goofy as Cut and Run, he did not blame America for every problem in the world. He respected our military and wanted it stronger, and he actually accomplished something.
24 posted on 12/21/2011 10:17:12 AM PST by John D
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To: servo1969

I take my comment back, forgot Ron Paul is not running as an independent.


25 posted on 12/21/2011 10:31:50 AM PST by Beowulf9
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To: servo1969
I find the demonization of Paul bordering on the comical...I know, so are his policies, I've heard that one before too. The issue here is very simple; if you want more government spending (which we clearly can't afford), more Fed mischief, more worthless money, more war, or more government interference in your life, vote for any of the other candidates. It is your vote, cast it or waste it as you please.
26 posted on 12/21/2011 10:58:37 AM PST by USAF_ret
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To: servo1969
I find the demonization of Paul bordering on the comical...I know, so are his policies, I've heard that one before too. The issue here is very simple; if you want more government spending (which we clearly can't afford), more Fed mischief, more worthless money, more war, or more government interference in your life, vote for any of the other candidates. It is your vote, cast it or waste it as you please.
27 posted on 12/21/2011 10:58:45 AM PST by USAF_ret
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To: vicar7

I know your right. But I worry with all this underhandedness by the Paul troglodytes. I sure hope the Iowans have their eyes WIDE open.


28 posted on 12/21/2011 10:59:20 AM PST by marty60
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To: USAF_ret

Well said!


29 posted on 12/21/2011 11:27:00 AM PST by rashley (Rashley)
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To: Proud2BeRight

I must have missed where the author mentioned those things - can you point that out to me or is this just a bit of hysteria?

“Sort of like most of Ron Paul’s comments...” what does that mean exactly?

Btw, even though it is not mentioned in the article, I happen to agree with him that we do not need our military posted in 143 countries. Tell me why you believe that to be necessary?


30 posted on 12/21/2011 11:39:07 AM PST by monkeypants (It's a Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: marty60

Oddly enough you pretty much nail it...


31 posted on 12/21/2011 11:43:21 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: monkeypants

“I must have missed where the author mentioned those things”

What you “missed” is what I said. Try again.


32 posted on 12/21/2011 11:57:35 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: marty60; vicar7
Obama wonders where his supporters are? THEY ARE VOTING FOR RON PAUL.

Oh, ya mean like all his Nazi and anarchists supporters down in Texas, who have repeatedly over and over reelected him?

Got it!

33 posted on 12/21/2011 12:25:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

This is all yet to be determined I believe the folks in Iowa will do the right thing. I am more sure of that than I am the GOP in general will however. If Romney wins the nomination it will not be because the folks wish it to be so. It will be a war against the folks and a battle of attrition. The good folks of Iowa will help us out by putting the Paul delusion aside. If that does not happen the whole process will be a circus. I have no problems trusting the folks in Iowa to get it right.


34 posted on 12/21/2011 12:39:04 PM PST by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: vicar7

People in Texas are evil...

They keep voting for Ron Paul...Their all KKK, Nazis and anarchist!!


35 posted on 12/21/2011 12:40:58 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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