Skip to comments.Elkhart County sheriff intervenes against feds in raw milk case
Posted on 12/21/2011 10:53:05 AM PST by bkopto
David Hochstetler doesnt want to be in the limelight.
Id rather just be left alone, he said.
As a producer of raw milk, though, Hochstetler operator of Forest Grove Dairy south of Middlebury finds himself at the center of controversy. Hes faced repeated inspections by federal regulators, apparently, and his situation prompted Elkhart County Sheriff Brad Rogers to intervene, advising the feds to watch their step or face arrest by his department.
With Mr. Hochstetler, hes had harassment and ongoing visits that were unreasonable, said Rogers, who told federal officials in a Dec. 2 email that they would need warrants before conducting any more inspections of the mans farm. I just told them they were no longer welcome unless they had a warrant.
Now, judging by the response to his actions in the blogosphere, Rogers is the toast of online raw milk activists and others who think the federal government oversteps its bounds.
I think its great that the local sheriff is supporting the local farmers, said Gary Cox of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, a non-profit group active in defending access to raw milk.
Hochstetler is left unsure what happens going forward federal officials backed off now. I dont know how long, he said while federal authorities remain largely mum.
As much as I would like to give a reaction, I would not, said U.S. Department of Justice attorney Ross Goldstein, recipient of the email from Rogers.
More than just raw milk
The roots of the controversy stem, in part, from differing views about raw milk that is, unpasteurized milk and the role the government should have in regulating its trade and use.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says unequivocally that, no, raw milk is not safe to drink because of the bacteria it can contain. Federal law prohibits commercial transfer of raw milk across state lines, while under Indiana law, its illegal to sell the product, though producers come up with arrangements under which consumers own or lease milk-producing cows, allowing them access to raw milk.
Proponents say the dangers of raw milk are overblown and that the product contains nutrients not found in pasteurized milk.
For Rogers, a Republican with ties to the Elkhart County tea party movement, its not about the pros or cons of raw milk, necessarily. Its about the federal government trampling on individual rights, something he sees happening in the Hochstetler case.
FDA officials have asked repeatedly to inspect Hochstetlers farm, Rogers said. The farmer initially acquiesced, but finally grew tired of the repeated inspections and started prohibiting inspectors entry. Ultimately, Ross, the Justice Department attorney, subpoenaed Hochstetler, ordering him to appear before a grand jury, and Hochstetler turned to the sheriff for assistance.
To me its not about raw milk. Its about upholding my oath of office and being a guardian of the Constitution, said Rogers. The repeated inspections and inspection requests, as he saw it, amounted to harassment from federal agencies.
As such, he fired off the email to Goldstein, threatening the arrest federal agents if they try to inspect Hochstetlers operation without a warrant.
This is notice that any further attempts to inspect this farm without a warrant signed by a judge, based on probable cause, will result in federal inspectors removal or arrest for trespassing by my officers or I, it reads in part.
In an interview at his office, Rogers said the feds are limited in what they can do by provisions in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. He alluded to the Fourth Amendment, which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, and the 10th Amendment, which grants states powers not reserved for the federal government.
The arrogance of thinking federal law trumps everything flies in the face of the 10th Amendment, Rogers said. If we think the federal government trumps everything, were destined for big trouble in the freedoms here in our country.
Goldstein fired back to Rogers with his own letter, sent via email soon after he received the sheriffs missive. The Justice Department attorney cited the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, which gives agents authority to enter facilities where food is processed or manufactured.
Because it is a federal law, indeed an Act of Congress, officers or employees of the FDA may do so lawfully, without regard to any Indiana law to the contrary, Goldstein wrote.
A warrant would not be required to inspect Forest Grove Dairy. Whats more, refusal to permit entry to the operation is in itself a federal criminal offense, which under certain circumstances is a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to three years, Goldstein wrote.
Either way, Hochstetler received a certified letter on Dec. 6 from federal officials saying the subpoena ordering the dairy farmer to appear before a grand jury had been withdrawn, Rogers said.
An open case
Advocates for small-scale farmers and raw milk advocates are overjoyed over the turn of events, first reported by David Gumpert in his blog, The Complete Patient. Gumpert is a journalist, blogger and author of a book on raw milk.
That is what the local food movement needs: more local and county sheriffs who know the Constitution and are willing to stand up for it! Bev Hill wrote in her blog, Good Food 4 All.
Federal officials remain tight-lipped. Im afraid that we cant respond to any questions regarding Forest Grove, as this is an open case, Siobhan DeLancey, an FDA spokeswoman, said in an email.
Forest Grove was cited in March 2010 by the FDA as the source of an outbreak of at least 12 cases of campylobacteriosis caused by raw milk. Furthermore, the company received a warning from the FDA in 2007 stemming from alleged illegal distribution of raw milk across state lines.
Hochstetler, for his part, says hes just filling demand for a product and vaguely indicates hell continue.
Speaking at his rural farm, in an agricultural zone south of Middlebury where Amish on bicycles and in horse-drawn buggies ply the roadways, he doesnt want to say much. But he wonders if agencies like the FDA dont have it in for small family farms producing raw milk, like his.
Harassment, he said. Thinking Ill get tired of it eventually and leave.
If raw milk is going to be available, he continues, consumers need to clamor.
Its going to be the consumers voice that needs to be heard, he said. The consumer needs to know whats happening out here in the country. They need to known their rights to eat are being taken away.
They have to control access to food before they can control the population to the extent they have planned..
Those fifty inspectors scheduled to show up at Sheriff Joes better have warrants as well. Tell ‘em where to go Sheriff Joe. Just like this Sheriff did.
All the Feds need to do now is have the President declare them Terrorists, then fly a drone over to blow the place up. Welcome to the new AmeriKa.
Sounds like a Sheriff Joe advocate!!!
God Bless him.
Raw milk is the good stuff.
Interesting. The north didn't want states rights 150 years ago and now they're clamoring for it, but, for the record, this Southerner is on their side.
It’s coming down. Sooner or later.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”
Why are you quoting that rag, the “Bill Of Rights?” Don’t you know that the phrase “to Promote the General Welfare” in the preamble to the USC is the authority for the feds to do anything and everything they want, via dicta when not legislation?
Open case until Lon Huriuchi shows up!
Destined?? I wonder where he's been.
great Tenth Amendment sheriff!
Someone took it to the Supreme Court and now they need one the 5 had to be followed
This sheriff has drawn a 10th. Amendment line in the sand.
God give him wisdom and keep him strong.
That way when the time comes to starve a few billion excess earthlings, it's just a matter of flipping a switch.
Overturn Wickard v Filburn, and put an end to this insanity.
We have the right to travel to our neighbor's farm and buy raw milk directly from the farmer.
We have the right to sell our milk to a larger dairy for processing (pasteurization) for distribution to grocery stores etc.
We do NOT have the right to distribute raw milk directly to grocery stores or any other method of mass distribution. Not sure whether a local farmer's market could sell raw milk, but there are definitely some counties where their local health inspector would not allow it.
Not only tastes better, but my arthritis cleared up when I drank it for a couple of years.
“A few years back the child protection types were forcing their way into homes.”
A big reason right there why we moved from California to Wyoming.
Sheriff Joe needs to arrange lookup with another county or even state.
It's all underground now.
For how many centuries did we drink raw milk, before the FDA was there to “protect” us?
realli??? So all Congerss has to do to circumvent a pesky Bill of Right is pass an Act of Congress? I don't think so, Goldstein.
I remember that from when it was posted.
God Bless Elkhart County Sheriff Brad Rogers!
Let every true conservative rally to his defense! The defense of our rights starts locally.
I wouldn’t drink it but I would heartily defend your right to drink it. I’m sick of the Feds sticking their nose into every aspect of our lives.
I wonder whether this Sheriff is a member of AZ Sheriff Babaau’s 10th Amendment group of Sheriff’s? (Either Babeau or a retired AZ Sheriff.)
If so, they’re gaining traction and I hope they continue.
considering that somehow civilization made to this point without the FDA...makes me think this is more ABOUT the FDA than it is about milk..or pasteurization..or the lack thereof...
County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is a great Sheriff and fights for the people of his county against the Feds!
SHERIFF: This Land is Our Land,
Feds Have No Jurisdiction!
In this climate it is utterly unheard of to have any official stand against the federal government. Typically, they stand with them - their hand out for more federal grants - no matter how much the federal government violates the U.S. Constitution and infringes on the public. Thankfully there are those few who take their oaths of office and to the Constitution, with sincerity, and instead they choose to fight for the people; fight for what is true and just. They are people like Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, those who sign up to become oath keepers, former Sheriff Richard Mack and, of course, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson; whose own fight against a runaway, power-grabbing, forestry service is just the tip of an iceberg Gilbertson is hauling into warmer waters.
With the USFS closing roads on county public lands, enforcement officers overstepping their legal jurisdiction and tens of thousands of acres of the county’s public land being usurped through the creation of national forests and monuments for the “protection” of the environment, Gilbertson is taking it on himself to protect the people - the ones often forgotten.
When asked why he has taken up this fight, Sheriff Gilbertson said, My duty lies in the oath that I took to protect and serve the people of Josephine County, state law and the Constitution, and their [federal government] agencies are infringing on all of the above. It’s that simple.
Look, much suffering occurred and many lives were sacrificed to make this great country what it is today; many sadly take this horrific loss for granted. A Republic form of government can be long-term but only if we maintain a system of checks and balance.
Once we allow a runaway centralized government to weaken and/or erode the rights enumerated in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, we risk losing it all. Our government is rapidly approaching a socialistic posture; and seemingly, changing our life, as we knew it, through federally imposed REGULATIONS.
The US~Observer has obtained a letter written by Gilbertson discussing jurisdiction. We are choosing to print it in its entirety.
Furthermore, the US~Observer would like to extend our deepest gratitude to Gilbertson for doing what he said he would - protect the County’s people, no matter what.
Clicke Here to see Gilbertsons letter:
Grants Pass, OR - Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is apparently challenging Federal authority within the borders of the Southern Oregon county. In a letter obtained by the US~Observer, Gilbertson writes to Roy Bergstrom of the United States Forest Service:
“As the CLEO [chief law enforcement officer] of this County, elected by the citizens, saddled with the expectation and responsibility to safeguard their rights I fully intend to uphold the laws against any threat, inappropriate or unlawful actions against them. The citizens of this County are complaining about unfair treatment and harassment by the federal government LEOs.
The issues of illegal road closures, grazing, logging, minerals, taking land under the auspices of Monument status, citizen complaints against your LEO [law enforcement officer] agents, high unemployment and other socio-economic issues we all face today; coupled with the uncooperative nature presented by the USFS are causing me great concern about our relationship and future cooperation.”
Letter in full:
Letter Shows Oregon Sheriff Taking-on the Feds
Give someone a fish, and you'll feed them for a day.
Teach them to grow fish, and you'll feed them for a lifetime...
Aquaponics HOW TO
"NOTHING IS MORE CERTAINLY WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF FATE THAN THAT THESE [AMERICAN] PEOPLE ARE TO BE FREE"
“Not only tastes better, but my arthritis cleared up when I drank it for a couple of years.”
Interesting but are you sure you can give credit to the milk? How many other factors might have also had an influence? I grew up drinking raw milk straight from our own cow, once I was old enough to do the milking I used to milk the cow before school and after school. I am 67 and as far as I know don’t have a sign of arthritis, I have some elbow soreness sometimes but I think it is tendinitis from lifting too heavy at the gym. I work out three times a week generally. I am 6 feet and four inches, 260 pounds and NOT FAT, I wear size 38 waist jeans and they are loose and becoming looser. My goal is to go back to no larger than 36 and maybe even the size 34 that I used to wear. I think if I can drop down to 240 I can wear 34’s again. Maybe what I really need is a source for raw milk.
This could be the beginning of a "keep your hands off me you damn dirty Fed" Revolution.
We can only hope.
It’s all about safety and you’re never safe enough for bureaucrats... unless you’re dead.
Yep. Plus, it’s your body. Why do we presume consumers are too stupid to understand the risks?
I come from a family of 6 kids. We drank raw milk from a local dairy the whole time we were all growing up. It tastes better, looks better and smells better than that crap that passes for milk in the grocery stores today. We’re all still alive and very healthy with some of us well past 60 years of age. This isn’t about milk, it’s about federal control of EVERYTHING in a person’s life, especially food. This sheriff has drawn “a line in the sand”....about time. Keep him in your prayers because it really is a “David versus Goliath” situation.
For how many centuries did we drink raw milk, before the FDA was there to protect us?
Those people are all dead. See how dangerous this stuff is?
‘Raw milk is the good stuff.’
Got that right.
Our 4 daughters, now in their 40’s, were raised on it, in southern California. Drank it until 10 or so, as we believe milk is for baby calves, and so did not have daughters drink it forever.
Don’t know what you’re missing.
Raw milk dairies are cleaner than others, if it’s a bonafide raw milk dairy.
Nonsense to be in fear of drinking it.
Grocery stores carry something which just passes as milk, and that’s what most are used to, and the way it tastes.
The taste of raw milk, and other raw dairy products, tastes the way this food is supposed to.
It’s a multi-billion dollar can of worms.
A lot of food is irradiated and / or pasteurized. I don’t want to say most, but that may be. Definitely a lot. Of course, lobbyists make sure that labels do no have to indicate irradiation.
So those entities who stand to lose if the lid is taken off the can of worms are...
Manufacturers of irradiation and pasteurization equipment.
This represents some hefty lobbying interests.
Also, the by backing down, the government agencies are implicitly admitting that what they have been doing for a very long time is unnecessary and even harmful.
Bigtime lobbies, bigtime government.
So we eat a food supply that is sterile.
Accordingly, our gut flora is out of balance, that is, the natural microorganisms that are in the human gut that take part in digestion are missing some of their compatriots in our gut and the body’s natural mechanisms cause things like an overgrowth of the yeast candida. This causes bowel problems, some believe things like Crohn’s. Also the yeast overgrowth is said to cause an immune response, as the yeast invades other parts of the body and the immune system attacks it. This immune response causes inflammation, which is not a good thing to continually have happening in the body and causes other health problems, among them symptoms of allergies. I know my “allergies” cleared up wonderfully when I started eating natural yogurt on a regular basis.
IMHO, a lot of health problems in America today are because of the processed food supply.
I see a governor of an entire state telling the feds to hit the road someday soon. That's all it's going to take.
“...this isnt about milk, its about federal control of EVERYTHING in a persons life, especially food...”
Bingo. Always has been. Everything fedzilla does is about control.
Sure as the sky is blue, whenever one man wants to live free, there will be two others who will group together to crush him in the name of “the common good”.
Ain’t collectivism just wonderful???
The Appetite of Tyranny is never far removed from the Tyranny of the Appetite.
Got Victory Garden?