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Elkhart County sheriff intervenes against feds in raw milk case
eTruth ^ | Dec 17, 2011 | Tim Vandenack

Posted on 12/21/2011 10:53:05 AM PST by bkopto

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1 posted on 12/21/2011 10:53:10 AM PST by bkopto
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To: bkopto
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
2 posted on 12/21/2011 10:57:36 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bkopto

They have to control access to food before they can control the population to the extent they have planned..


3 posted on 12/21/2011 10:59:01 AM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: bkopto

Those fifty inspectors scheduled to show up at Sheriff Joes better have warrants as well. Tell ‘em where to go Sheriff Joe. Just like this Sheriff did.


4 posted on 12/21/2011 11:00:11 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: bkopto

All the Feds need to do now is have the President declare them Terrorists, then fly a drone over to blow the place up. Welcome to the new AmeriKa.


5 posted on 12/21/2011 11:00:37 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: bkopto

Sounds like a Sheriff Joe advocate!!!

God Bless him.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 11:01:25 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: bkopto

Raw milk is the good stuff.


7 posted on 12/21/2011 11:02:27 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: thackney; Idabilly; central_va; southernsunshine; mojitojoe; PeaRidge; manc
and the 10th Amendment, which grants states powers not reserved for the federal government.

Interesting. The north didn't want states rights 150 years ago and now they're clamoring for it, but, for the record, this Southerner is on their side.

8 posted on 12/21/2011 11:05:57 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rockinqsranch

It’s coming down. Sooner or later.


9 posted on 12/21/2011 11:06:53 AM PST by DPMD
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To: thackney

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.”

Why are you quoting that rag, the “Bill Of Rights?” Don’t you know that the phrase “to Promote the General Welfare” in the preamble to the USC is the authority for the feds to do anything and everything they want, via dicta when not legislation?


10 posted on 12/21/2011 11:13:47 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: bkopto
Federal officials remain tight-lipped. “I’m afraid that we can’t respond to any questions regarding Forest Grove, as this is an open case,”

Open case until Lon Huriuchi shows up!

11 posted on 12/21/2011 11:24:11 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: bkopto
“If we think the federal government trumps everything, we’re destined for big trouble in the freedoms here in our country.”

Destined?? I wonder where he's been.

12 posted on 12/21/2011 11:29:36 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: bkopto

great Tenth Amendment sheriff!


13 posted on 12/21/2011 11:34:57 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: bkopto
A few years back the child protection types were forcing their way into homes.
Their claim was that as they were not law enforcement and that there was a law allowing to come in and check they did not need search warrant

Someone took it to the Supreme Court and now they need one the 5 had to be followed

14 posted on 12/21/2011 11:35:05 AM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: bkopto

This sheriff has drawn a 10th. Amendment line in the sand.
God give him wisdom and keep him strong.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 11:35:20 AM PST by bimboeruption (Clinging to my Bible and my HK.)
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To: bkopto
You are only allowed to purchase food controlled and distributed by the government/corporate industrial complex.

That way when the time comes to starve a few billion excess earthlings, it's just a matter of flipping a switch.

16 posted on 12/21/2011 11:35:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: bkopto

Overturn Wickard v Filburn, and put an end to this insanity.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 11:41:02 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: bkopto
Don't know how it works in Indiana. My understanding of Mo. law is that we absolutely have the right to drink raw milk from our own cows.

We have the right to travel to our neighbor's farm and buy raw milk directly from the farmer.

We have the right to sell our milk to a larger dairy for processing (pasteurization) for distribution to grocery stores etc.

We do NOT have the right to distribute raw milk directly to grocery stores or any other method of mass distribution. Not sure whether a local farmer's market could sell raw milk, but there are definitely some counties where their local health inspector would not allow it.

18 posted on 12/21/2011 11:51:33 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Raw milk is the good stuff.

Not only tastes better, but my arthritis cleared up when I drank it for a couple of years.

19 posted on 12/21/2011 12:03:23 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: mouser

“A few years back the child protection types were forcing their way into homes.”

A big reason right there why we moved from California to Wyoming.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 12:17:17 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Sheriff Joe needs to arrange lookup with another county or even state.


21 posted on 12/21/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by DallasDeb (usafa06mom)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

http://www.farmtoconsumer.org/quail-hollow-farm-dinner.htm


It’s not about food. It’s about control.


22 posted on 12/21/2011 12:20:31 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: PieterCasparzen
You can't get fresh squeezed cider in New York any longer. Just the pasteurised stuff.

It's all underground now.

23 posted on 12/21/2011 12:27:18 PM PST by BOOHA
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To: bkopto

For how many centuries did we drink raw milk, before the FDA was there to “protect” us?


24 posted on 12/21/2011 12:35:15 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: bkopto
“Because it is a federal law, indeed an Act of Congress, officers or employees of the FDA may do so lawfully, without regard to any Indiana law to the contrary,” Goldstein wrote. A warrant would not be required to inspect Forest Grove Dairy. What’s more, refusal to permit entry to the operation “is in itself a federal criminal offense, which under certain circumstances is a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to three years,” Goldstein wrote.

realli??? So all Congerss has to do to circumvent a pesky Bill of Right is pass an Act of Congress? I don't think so, Goldstein.

25 posted on 12/21/2011 12:35:27 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("At a time like this, we can't afford the luxury of thinking!")
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To: bkopto
I read in Newsday, of all places, way back in the late seventies that a Sheriff can compel federal agents to act in his county only through his office, including their bringing any weapons into the county. Don't know if this is true or not.
26 posted on 12/21/2011 12:55:27 PM PST by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping


27 posted on 12/21/2011 1:02:07 PM PST by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: maine yankee

I remember that from when it was posted.


28 posted on 12/21/2011 1:02:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: DallasDeb; cowboyway; southernsunshine; ForGod'sSake; central_va; NonValueAdded; bimboeruption

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJgPuNAh60


29 posted on 12/21/2011 1:09:28 PM PST by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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To: bkopto

God Bless Elkhart County Sheriff Brad Rogers!

Let every true conservative rally to his defense! The defense of our rights starts locally.


30 posted on 12/21/2011 1:25:16 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: PieterCasparzen

I wouldn’t drink it but I would heartily defend your right to drink it. I’m sick of the Feds sticking their nose into every aspect of our lives.


31 posted on 12/21/2011 1:48:13 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: thackney

I wonder whether this Sheriff is a member of AZ Sheriff Babaau’s 10th Amendment group of Sheriff’s? (Either Babeau or a retired AZ Sheriff.)

If so, they’re gaining traction and I hope they continue.


32 posted on 12/21/2011 1:55:19 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: bkopto

considering that somehow civilization made to this point without the FDA...makes me think this is more ABOUT the FDA than it is about milk..or pasteurization..or the lack thereof...


33 posted on 12/21/2011 2:16:06 PM PST by mo
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Interesting link...

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/index.html


34 posted on 12/21/2011 2:52:17 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is a great Sheriff and fights for the people of his county against the Feds!

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/sep-11/sheriff-this-land-is-our-land.html

SHERIFF: This Land is Our Land,
Feds Have No Jurisdiction!

In this climate it is utterly unheard of to have any official stand against the federal government. Typically, they stand with them - their hand out for more federal grants - no matter how much the federal government violates the U.S. Constitution and infringes on the public. Thankfully there are those few who take their oaths of office and to the Constitution, with sincerity, and instead they choose to fight for the people; fight for what is true and just. They are people like Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, those who sign up to become oath keepers, former Sheriff Richard Mack and, of course, Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson; whose own fight against a runaway, power-grabbing, forestry service is just the tip of an iceberg Gilbertson is hauling into warmer waters.

With the USFS closing roads on county public lands, enforcement officers overstepping their legal jurisdiction and tens of thousands of acres of the county’s public land being usurped through the creation of national forests and monuments for the “protection” of the environment, Gilbertson is taking it on himself to protect the people - the ones often forgotten.

When asked why he has taken up this fight, Sheriff Gilbertson said, “My duty lies in the oath that I took to protect and serve the people of Josephine County, state law and the Constitution, and their [federal government] agencies are infringing on all of the above. It’s that simple.

“Look, much suffering occurred and many lives were sacrificed to make this great country what it is today; many sadly take this horrific loss for granted. A Republic form of government can be long-term but only if we maintain a system of checks and balance.

“Once we allow a runaway centralized government to weaken and/or erode the rights enumerated in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, we risk losing it all. Our government is rapidly approaching a socialistic posture; and seemingly, changing our life, as we knew it, through ‘federally imposed REGULATIONS’.”

The US~Observer has obtained a letter written by Gilbertson discussing jurisdiction. We are choosing to print it in its entirety.

Furthermore, the US~Observer would like to extend our deepest gratitude to Gilbertson for doing what he said he would - protect the County’s people, no matter what.

Clicke Here to see Gilbertson’s letter:

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/sep-11/Gil-Federal-Jurisdiction.pdf

Another article:

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/may-11/gil-letter.html

Grants Pass, OR - Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is apparently challenging Federal authority within the borders of the Southern Oregon county. In a letter obtained by the US~Observer, Gilbertson writes to Roy Bergstrom of the United States Forest Service:

“As the CLEO [chief law enforcement officer] of this County, elected by the citizens, saddled with the expectation and responsibility to safeguard their rights I fully intend to uphold the laws against any threat, inappropriate or unlawful actions against them. The citizens of this County are complaining about unfair treatment and harassment by the federal government LEOs.

The issues of illegal road closures, grazing, logging, minerals, taking land under the auspices of “Monument” status, citizen complaints against your LEO [law enforcement officer] agents, high unemployment and other socio-economic issues we all face today; coupled with the uncooperative nature presented by the USFS are causing me great concern about our relationship and future cooperation.”

Letter in full:

http://www.usobserver.com/archive/may-11/images/Gilbertson-letter-to-Roy-Bergstrom.pdf

Letter Shows Oregon Sheriff Taking-on the Feds


35 posted on 12/21/2011 5:07:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: SENTINEL
[They have to control access to food before they can control the population to the extent they have planned..]

Give someone a fish, and you'll feed them for a day.
Teach them to grow fish, and you'll feed them for a lifetime...

Aquaponics HOW TO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfR9nDsvBk8&feature=share

 

"NOTHING IS MORE CERTAINLY WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF FATE THAN THAT THESE [AMERICAN] PEOPLE ARE TO BE FREE"
--Thomas Jefferson

36 posted on 12/21/2011 5:51:06 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: American in Israel

“Not only tastes better, but my arthritis cleared up when I drank it for a couple of years.”
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Interesting but are you sure you can give credit to the milk? How many other factors might have also had an influence? I grew up drinking raw milk straight from our own cow, once I was old enough to do the milking I used to milk the cow before school and after school. I am 67 and as far as I know don’t have a sign of arthritis, I have some elbow soreness sometimes but I think it is tendinitis from lifting too heavy at the gym. I work out three times a week generally. I am 6 feet and four inches, 260 pounds and NOT FAT, I wear size 38 waist jeans and they are loose and becoming looser. My goal is to go back to no larger than 36 and maybe even the size 34 that I used to wear. I think if I can drop down to 240 I can wear 34’s again. Maybe what I really need is a source for raw milk.


37 posted on 12/21/2011 5:59:26 PM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: bkopto; xzins; wmfights
“I think it’s great that the local sheriff is supporting the local farmers,” said Gary Cox of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, a non-profit group active in defending access to raw milk.

This could be the beginning of a "keep your hands off me you damn dirty Fed" Revolution.

We can only hope.

38 posted on 12/21/2011 6:05:59 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: bkopto

It’s all about safety and you’re never safe enough for bureaucrats... unless you’re dead.


39 posted on 12/21/2011 6:13:00 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tacticalogic

Yep. Plus, it’s your body. Why do we presume consumers are too stupid to understand the risks?


40 posted on 12/21/2011 6:18:08 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: bkopto

I come from a family of 6 kids. We drank raw milk from a local dairy the whole time we were all growing up. It tastes better, looks better and smells better than that crap that passes for milk in the grocery stores today. We’re all still alive and very healthy with some of us well past 60 years of age. This isn’t about milk, it’s about federal control of EVERYTHING in a person’s life, especially food. This sheriff has drawn “a line in the sand”....about time. Keep him in your prayers because it really is a “David versus Goliath” situation.


41 posted on 12/21/2011 6:33:04 PM PST by lgjhn23
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To: G Larry

For how many centuries did we drink raw milk, before the FDA was there to “protect” us?

Those people are all dead. See how dangerous this stuff is?


42 posted on 12/21/2011 8:37:34 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: 1010RD
"Why do we presume consumers are too stupid to understand the risks?"
Because some always will be. Children fed the milk by their family may not know the difference between raw and pasturized. Part of the problem might be that the particular farmer in question does not have a perfect record. Forest Grove was cited in March 2010 by the FDA as the source of an outbreak of at least 12 cases of campylobacteriosis caused by raw milk. Furthermore, the company received a warning from the FDA in 2007 stemming from alleged illegal distribution of raw milk across state lines. If he hadn't been linked to the sickening of 13 people who bought his milk in Vandalia, Michigan, He might not have been on the Fed's radar.
I support the Sheriff and the Amish and have a brother who regularly buys raw milk, but allow me to blame the victim here for a moment by saying he started this by giving more than a dozen people food poisoning across state lines. Otherwise the taxpayer funded didlo's would most likely be back in their cubicles at the agency playing solitaire instead of going on a field trip to an Amish country dairy intent on busting somebody to thereby earn a promotion.
43 posted on 12/22/2011 12:38:29 AM PST by ME-262 (We need Term Limits for the federal house and senate. We need new Bums up there.)
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To: PieterCasparzen; American in Israel

‘Raw milk is the good stuff.’

Got that right.
Our 4 daughters, now in their 40’s, were raised on it, in southern California. Drank it until 10 or so, as we believe milk is for baby calves, and so did not have daughters drink it forever.
Don’t know what you’re missing.
Raw milk dairies are cleaner than others, if it’s a bonafide raw milk dairy.

Nonsense to be in fear of drinking it.
Grocery stores carry something which just passes as milk, and that’s what most are used to, and the way it tastes.
The taste of raw milk, and other raw dairy products, tastes the way this food is supposed to.


44 posted on 12/22/2011 3:06:16 AM PST by USARightSide ( ~ MERRY CHRISTMAS! ~)
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To: USARightSide
The taste of raw milk, and other raw dairy products, tastes the way this food is supposed to.

So I guess you go for steak tartar rather than grilled. I loved when we would go to my uncle's dairy farm and have raw milk. Of course, I like the taste of steamed milk, too.
45 posted on 12/22/2011 3:17:07 AM PST by aruanan
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To: bkopto
Now, judging by the response to his actions in the blogosphere, Rogers is the toast of online raw milk activists and others who think the federal government oversteps its bounds.

Anyone who doesn't think that the federal government oversteps its bounds regularly and in almost every sphere of life is out of touch with reality.
46 posted on 12/22/2011 3:18:42 AM PST by aruanan
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To: lgjhn23

It’s a multi-billion dollar can of worms.

A lot of food is irradiated and / or pasteurized. I don’t want to say most, but that may be. Definitely a lot. Of course, lobbyists make sure that labels do no have to indicate irradiation.

So those entities who stand to lose if the lid is taken off the can of worms are...

Manufacturers of irradiation and pasteurization equipment.
Big food.
Governmental agencies.

This represents some hefty lobbying interests.

Also, the by backing down, the government agencies are implicitly admitting that what they have been doing for a very long time is unnecessary and even harmful.

Bigtime lobbies, bigtime government.

So we eat a food supply that is sterile.

Accordingly, our gut flora is out of balance, that is, the natural microorganisms that are in the human gut that take part in digestion are missing some of their compatriots in our gut and the body’s natural mechanisms cause things like an overgrowth of the yeast candida. This causes bowel problems, some believe things like Crohn’s. Also the yeast overgrowth is said to cause an immune response, as the yeast invades other parts of the body and the immune system attacks it. This immune response causes inflammation, which is not a good thing to continually have happening in the body and causes other health problems, among them symptoms of allergies. I know my “allergies” cleared up wonderfully when I started eating natural yogurt on a regular basis.

IMHO, a lot of health problems in America today are because of the processed food supply.


47 posted on 12/22/2011 3:52:13 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: DPMD
It’s coming down. Sooner or later.

I see a governor of an entire state telling the feds to hit the road someday soon. That's all it's going to take.

48 posted on 12/22/2011 5:12:31 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head (argh)
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To: lgjhn23; bkopto; SENTINEL; LomanBill

“...this isn’t about milk, it’s about federal control of EVERYTHING in a person’s life, especially food...”

Bingo. Always has been. Everything fedzilla does is about control.

Sure as the sky is blue, whenever one man wants to live free, there will be two others who will group together to crush him in the name of “the common good”.

Ain’t collectivism just wonderful???


49 posted on 12/22/2011 5:27:22 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; lgjhn23; bkopto; SENTINEL

>>especially food

The Appetite of Tyranny is never far removed from the Tyranny of the Appetite.

Got Victory Garden?


50 posted on 12/22/2011 5:53:18 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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