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Elkhart County sheriff intervenes against feds in raw milk case
eTruth ^ | Dec 17, 2011 | Tim Vandenack

Posted on 12/21/2011 10:53:05 AM PST by bkopto

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To: bkopto

I come from a family of 6 kids. We drank raw milk from a local dairy the whole time we were all growing up. It tastes better, looks better and smells better than that crap that passes for milk in the grocery stores today. We’re all still alive and very healthy with some of us well past 60 years of age. This isn’t about milk, it’s about federal control of EVERYTHING in a person’s life, especially food. This sheriff has drawn “a line in the sand”....about time. Keep him in your prayers because it really is a “David versus Goliath” situation.


41 posted on 12/21/2011 6:33:04 PM PST by lgjhn23
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To: G Larry

For how many centuries did we drink raw milk, before the FDA was there to “protect” us?

Those people are all dead. See how dangerous this stuff is?


42 posted on 12/21/2011 8:37:34 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: 1010RD
"Why do we presume consumers are too stupid to understand the risks?"
Because some always will be. Children fed the milk by their family may not know the difference between raw and pasturized. Part of the problem might be that the particular farmer in question does not have a perfect record. Forest Grove was cited in March 2010 by the FDA as the source of an outbreak of at least 12 cases of campylobacteriosis caused by raw milk. Furthermore, the company received a warning from the FDA in 2007 stemming from alleged illegal distribution of raw milk across state lines. If he hadn't been linked to the sickening of 13 people who bought his milk in Vandalia, Michigan, He might not have been on the Fed's radar.
I support the Sheriff and the Amish and have a brother who regularly buys raw milk, but allow me to blame the victim here for a moment by saying he started this by giving more than a dozen people food poisoning across state lines. Otherwise the taxpayer funded didlo's would most likely be back in their cubicles at the agency playing solitaire instead of going on a field trip to an Amish country dairy intent on busting somebody to thereby earn a promotion.
43 posted on 12/22/2011 12:38:29 AM PST by ME-262 (We need Term Limits for the federal house and senate. We need new Bums up there.)
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To: PieterCasparzen; American in Israel

‘Raw milk is the good stuff.’

Got that right.
Our 4 daughters, now in their 40’s, were raised on it, in southern California. Drank it until 10 or so, as we believe milk is for baby calves, and so did not have daughters drink it forever.
Don’t know what you’re missing.
Raw milk dairies are cleaner than others, if it’s a bonafide raw milk dairy.

Nonsense to be in fear of drinking it.
Grocery stores carry something which just passes as milk, and that’s what most are used to, and the way it tastes.
The taste of raw milk, and other raw dairy products, tastes the way this food is supposed to.


44 posted on 12/22/2011 3:06:16 AM PST by USARightSide ( ~ MERRY CHRISTMAS! ~)
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To: USARightSide
The taste of raw milk, and other raw dairy products, tastes the way this food is supposed to.

So I guess you go for steak tartar rather than grilled. I loved when we would go to my uncle's dairy farm and have raw milk. Of course, I like the taste of steamed milk, too.
45 posted on 12/22/2011 3:17:07 AM PST by aruanan
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To: bkopto
Now, judging by the response to his actions in the blogosphere, Rogers is the toast of online raw milk activists and others who think the federal government oversteps its bounds.

Anyone who doesn't think that the federal government oversteps its bounds regularly and in almost every sphere of life is out of touch with reality.
46 posted on 12/22/2011 3:18:42 AM PST by aruanan
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To: lgjhn23

It’s a multi-billion dollar can of worms.

A lot of food is irradiated and / or pasteurized. I don’t want to say most, but that may be. Definitely a lot. Of course, lobbyists make sure that labels do no have to indicate irradiation.

So those entities who stand to lose if the lid is taken off the can of worms are...

Manufacturers of irradiation and pasteurization equipment.
Big food.
Governmental agencies.

This represents some hefty lobbying interests.

Also, the by backing down, the government agencies are implicitly admitting that what they have been doing for a very long time is unnecessary and even harmful.

Bigtime lobbies, bigtime government.

So we eat a food supply that is sterile.

Accordingly, our gut flora is out of balance, that is, the natural microorganisms that are in the human gut that take part in digestion are missing some of their compatriots in our gut and the body’s natural mechanisms cause things like an overgrowth of the yeast candida. This causes bowel problems, some believe things like Crohn’s. Also the yeast overgrowth is said to cause an immune response, as the yeast invades other parts of the body and the immune system attacks it. This immune response causes inflammation, which is not a good thing to continually have happening in the body and causes other health problems, among them symptoms of allergies. I know my “allergies” cleared up wonderfully when I started eating natural yogurt on a regular basis.

IMHO, a lot of health problems in America today are because of the processed food supply.


47 posted on 12/22/2011 3:52:13 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: DPMD
It’s coming down. Sooner or later.

I see a governor of an entire state telling the feds to hit the road someday soon. That's all it's going to take.

48 posted on 12/22/2011 5:12:31 AM PST by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head (argh)
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To: lgjhn23; bkopto; SENTINEL; LomanBill

“...this isn’t about milk, it’s about federal control of EVERYTHING in a person’s life, especially food...”

Bingo. Always has been. Everything fedzilla does is about control.

Sure as the sky is blue, whenever one man wants to live free, there will be two others who will group together to crush him in the name of “the common good”.

Ain’t collectivism just wonderful???


49 posted on 12/22/2011 5:27:22 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale; lgjhn23; bkopto; SENTINEL

>>especially food

The Appetite of Tyranny is never far removed from the Tyranny of the Appetite.

Got Victory Garden?


50 posted on 12/22/2011 5:53:18 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill; lgjhn23; bkopto; SENTINEL

My friend, I will ALWAYS be able to feed my family. One way, or another.

They play their games...and we’ll play ours.


51 posted on 12/22/2011 6:15:23 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: BOOHA

once it’s heated it’s no longer cider, just apple juice.


52 posted on 12/22/2011 6:44:10 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: BOOHA

NYS forced pastuerization because of e-coli found in the cider. One of the mysteries of life is how does shi* get on the apples while still on the tree. My hypothesis is the hired “migrant” help doesn’t wash their hands.


53 posted on 12/22/2011 6:48:02 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: 1010RD
Why do we presume consumers are too stupid to understand the risks?

"We" aren't doing it. There's a particular mindset that makes some people think they're smarter than everyone else, and need to tell them what do do for their own good.

These people gravitate toward federal bureaucracies, where they can exercise that tendency, and Congress has turned control of virtually every aspect of our lives over to them, via the "substantial effects" doctrine of the Commerce Clause that started with Wickard v Filburn.

They've proven time and time again they cannot be trusted to exercise that power within the boundaries of common sense. It's time we took it back - the original intent of the Commerce Clause never granted them that power to start with. We let them have it as a matter of convenience, and that was a really bad idea.

54 posted on 12/22/2011 8:49:21 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: USARightSide
Before the company was sold back in the 70s some time, there was a raw milk dairy right here in Atlanta, over in DeKalb County. R.L. Mathis Dairy. They had field trips for the schools, and a picnic ground and lake, and you got to milk "Rosebud the Cow".

My parents always bought the "Certified Milk" - which was the unpasteurized stuff. They delivered to your door in the glass quart bottles with the tinfoil caps.

A side benefit to all of this was that my daughter was very interested in my experience milking cows -- I also worked on a dairy farm in Vermont one summer in high school, and I had described the whole thing to her. She is a biologist, and when she was in college she went on a field study project to Costa Rica. One of the things they did was go around and interview local farmers. She was one of the few students who spoke Spanish fluently enough to do the interviews. A local dairy farmer thought he had given the dumb American kids a poser when he invited them to milk one of the cows. He laughed at a bunch of them, but then my daughter hitched up the milking stool and set to work just based on my description of "how to milk a cow". And lo and behold she made the pail ring. The farmer was very impressed and called her a real country girl . . . she thanked him and kept her own counsel.

55 posted on 12/22/2011 3:48:09 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RipSawyer
There is a substance that is in raw milk that is destroyed by pasteurization that is indicated in Auto immune disease. It is currently being investigated to be called vitamin W from what I last heard.

All I know, is when I got my goats, it cleared up on me and my wife. Many years later, hers is coming back. Need to move so I can get goats again.

56 posted on 12/22/2011 6:59:36 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: aruanan

‘___guess you go for steak tartar_____.’

Strangely - never had steak tartar.

But I remember as a kid pinching off tiny bits of raw chopped meat before my mom cooked whatever it was!
Still do this - with a pinch of salt.

And I do eat rare steak - - -


57 posted on 12/23/2011 4:28:11 AM PST by USARightSide ( ~ MERRY CHRISTMAS! ~)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Oh, that’s right - our milk was called Certified Raw Milk.

Don’t you love it when there’s a sort of talented ringer in the crowd? In a good way.
Good for your daughter.

We have grandsons 21 and 23, living in CO, who have gone to Costa Rica a few times. But their interest is snakes and reptiles - *shiver!*


58 posted on 12/23/2011 4:38:01 AM PST by USARightSide ( ~ MERRY CHRISTMAS! ~)
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To: USARightSide
My daughter has a sideline in reptiles -- her real interest is fish, and exotic birds.

But she isn't at all afraid of all those weird snakes and lizards and things -- and they seem to be fond of her (to the extent that cold-blooded things can demonstrate fondness).

She had a truly crazy herpetology professor who used to bring snakes into class and let them loose on the floor. Seemed like a nice guy when I met him, but . . . . !!!!!

59 posted on 12/23/2011 5:52:28 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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