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Vanity: Why did the GOP Senators vote for a two month extension in SS contribution cut?

Posted on 12/21/2011 7:20:14 PM PST by Steven Tyler

Vanity: Why did the GOP Senators vote for a two month extension in SS contribution cut? Why did the GOP Senators not hold out for the congress one year extension?


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1 posted on 12/21/2011 7:20:17 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: Steven Tyler

Go along to get along...


2 posted on 12/21/2011 7:21:11 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Steven Tyler

because the GOP rino’s lean more to Obama than they do conservatives


3 posted on 12/21/2011 7:21:16 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Steven Tyler

Why extend it at all?


4 posted on 12/21/2011 7:22:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Steven Tyler

To get out of Dodge before Christmas.


5 posted on 12/21/2011 7:23:30 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Mitt Romney, a piss poor choice)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Because we all are talking about it and not the massive 1 trillion spending bill that was just rammed through. It’s called diversion.


6 posted on 12/21/2011 7:25:24 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Steven Tyler

And by doing so those idiots really screwed the Tea Party in the House. Sick of RINOs.


7 posted on 12/21/2011 7:25:34 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Steven Tyler

The Stockholm Syndrome.


8 posted on 12/21/2011 7:25:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Steven Tyler

Without a link to back it up, I understand that they thought the House was willing to go along. The Tea Party revolt exposed them all.


9 posted on 12/21/2011 7:27:08 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steven Tyler

Because of they held out for a 12 month extension the media would say they voted against an extension...

Just like the nedia is saying about the House.


10 posted on 12/21/2011 7:27:15 PM PST by mrsmith (Start electing a 'Tea Party' Majority Leader in 2012 now!)
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To: Steven Tyler

Because it’s a lousy plan in the first place. Not a real tax cut, and discriminating against retired people. But they agreed to two months IF Obama would expedite the pipeline.

Boner, on the other hand, is a stupid jerk. Now the whole thing has been screwed up, and the Republicans come out of it with nothing but a lot of blame. From Obama, from the press, from the libs, and now even from conservatives, who haven’t looked at it closely enough to understand what’s going on.


11 posted on 12/21/2011 7:27:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I think the Senate GOP screwed themselves. Get rid of them.


12 posted on 12/21/2011 7:28:09 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

>> Why extend it at all?

So who the Hell is responsible for covering the benefits that are not getting funded? More crap getting rammed down the throats of America’s children.

Bastards!


13 posted on 12/21/2011 7:29:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Steven Tyler
I heard John Kyl say that he voted for it because it was the best the R's could get in the Senate. Yes, they screwed the Republican House members. I am embarrassed the R's in the Senate didn't stand on principle. We (Conservatives) are in SUCH A MESS!
14 posted on 12/21/2011 7:29:57 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Steven Tyler

Because they’re not smart enough to clearly deconstruct what’s going on. Cantor sounds like he’s in a haze.


15 posted on 12/21/2011 7:30:39 PM PST by Track9
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To: originalbuckeye

Get rid of them. They don’t have a majority and side with Marxists. Before we throw the TEA Party House under the bus lets applaud them for holding ground. Obama needs this debate going into the elections and the TEA Party is saying hell no!


16 posted on 12/21/2011 7:33:42 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Steven Tyler

With “leaders” like McConnell and McCain in the Senate, do you really need to ask this question?

They are limp-wristed RINOS who may as well go ahead and put a (D) after their names. I’m through with all of them - if they are currently in office, they can go to hell as they will not receive a vote from me.


17 posted on 12/21/2011 7:33:57 PM PST by RobertClark ("Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: Steven Tyler

Because they were scared to vote against the compromise and look like middle class tax raisers. The handwriting is on the wall on this unfortunately.


18 posted on 12/21/2011 7:35:22 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: tennmountainman
Because we all are talking about it and not the massive 1 trillion spending bill that was just rammed through. It’s called diversion.

Ding ding ding!

19 posted on 12/21/2011 7:36:18 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Steven Tyler

Ten Senators voted against the Senate Bill, seven of them Republicans; these are the good guys::
Corker TN
DeMint SC
Johnson WI
Kirk IL
Moran KS
Sessions AL
Shelby AL
The rest of the Republican caucus went along with Harry Reid and voted yes.

Also voting against were Leahy VT, Sanders VT, and Manchin WVA - for reasons known only to themselves.


20 posted on 12/21/2011 7:39:21 PM PST by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: Cicero

A high turnover in the house benefits who?

A low turnover in the house in the coming elections benefit who?

The answer to the first is anybody but bonehead.

the Second: Bonehead.

Any new influx of Tea partiers in the house and Bonehead is gone.


21 posted on 12/21/2011 7:39:44 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Malesherbes

Thank You. They deserve our utmost support. The rest can fend their action at the ballot box.


22 posted on 12/21/2011 7:41:41 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Gene Eric; E. Pluribus Unum; Cicero; bamahead; qam1; Bokababe; calcowgirl; All
More crap getting rammed down the throats of America’s children.

As a young American, I'll take my chances with this tax cut, considering I won't get anything back anyways - and I in fact expect that the Feds will try to directly confiscate my 401(k) and other tax-advantaged accounts irrespective.

23 posted on 12/21/2011 7:42:56 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Malesherbes; BillyBoy; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; upchuck

Kirk is NOT and NEVER will be one of the “good guys.”

Corker is a RINO.

Of that list, there are probably two or three actual conservatives, including DeMint.


24 posted on 12/21/2011 7:44:00 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Cicero
I agree. Social Security Insurance is not a tax is it? You can't claim it on your return as a tax. Why do the Dems. and Repubs. keep calling it a “payroll tax” reduction. It is simply the defunding of Social Security. Why can't the Republicans make that case to the “masses”? I am starting to think that both parties are against me as a senior. This is outrageous. Tell the people what this really is.
25 posted on 12/21/2011 7:47:35 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: rabscuttle385

Wanna cry? Listen to this-—30 minutes you’ll be glad you spent listening——and, then, send it to as many people as you can:

http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2011/12/01/ann-barnhardt/entire-futures-options-market-destroyed-by-mf-global-collapse


26 posted on 12/21/2011 7:51:06 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: deweyfrank

Social Security is NOT an insurance program.

Social Security is an inter-generational Ponzi scheme, a program of wealth redistribution designed to Balkanize the population, increase dependency on the Federal government, and serve as a slush fund for establishment politicans.

The Supreme Court has already ruled that Congress can change the terms of the program at any time.

As such, you paid a tax, not a contribution.


27 posted on 12/21/2011 7:56:19 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: EricT.

EricT,

The sad part is most posters here don’t seem to get the bigger picture. While all of the debate about this payroll tax cut is merely
peanuts, they ignore what the house, senate and president just did.
ram through another 1 trillion dollar spending bill and debate about payroll peanuts. Go figure.


28 posted on 12/21/2011 7:57:47 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: rabscuttle385

Then why can’t we claim it as a tax? Why is it called FICA? and not FTCA? I’m not arguing that SS is or is not a PONZI scheme. It is what it is. Whether you like it or not. This Bill is about defunding it. Period.


29 posted on 12/21/2011 8:09:43 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: tennmountainman

I know. They get all caught up with the gamesmanship, as if it were their favorite college football team playing.

America is about to collapse and people are focused on inconsequential bullsquat.

The worst part is that when you point it out, a few of them will jump all over you for not joining in the stupidity.


30 posted on 12/21/2011 8:10:06 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: rabscuttle385

>> I’ll take my chances with this tax cut

Unfortunately, it’s not a tax cut. It’s a deferral that will not be adjusted when the current crew retreats to collect their share.

You may be young, but you’re not one of the children that are having their future pillaged to serve scumbags.


31 posted on 12/21/2011 8:11:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: deweyfrank

FICA is a tax.


32 posted on 12/21/2011 8:16:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Steven Tyler
Maybe it is time to clean house of RINO Republicans in the Senate. And we should not stop cleaning the rest of the RINOs in the House.
33 posted on 12/21/2011 8:19:44 PM PST by Logical me
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To: muawiyah

That’s your opinion! Try claiming it on your Federal Taxes.


34 posted on 12/21/2011 8:20:38 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: deweyfrank
I live in a state with an income tax. That means I can't claim sales taxes as a deduction.

There are numerous taxes that you can't claim.

FICA is just another tax of similar nature.

Congress could make FICA a deduction if they really wanted to. They have that authority.

35 posted on 12/21/2011 8:25:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why extend it at all?

Why not cut it permanently? Let people keep their own money, to save for their own retirement,instead of taxing them for a ponzi scheme.


36 posted on 12/21/2011 8:27:08 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: deweyfrank

It’s a tax, taken out of your paycheck. Why do you want to pay more taxes to the federal government? Why don’t you want to keep your money, to save for yourself and your family?


37 posted on 12/21/2011 8:29:35 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: muawiyah

Then why don’t they? Do you know the history behind that decision?


38 posted on 12/21/2011 8:32:02 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: WilliamIII
Then let's just make it 0%. Who then, is going to fund SS? It is what it is. I guess I'm a little selfish. I want a little out of what I paid in for all those years. If you're talking about changing it for all the “youngsters”, I'm all for it. lol
39 posted on 12/21/2011 8:43:08 PM PST by deweyfrank
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To: tennmountainman

“The sad part is most posters here don’t seem to get the bigger picture.”

You’re right about that. The big picture with this Bill is what is hidden from view. A NEW ADDED VALUE TAX which will be added to very mortgage over $200.000.00.
This is the REAL reason Obama and Dems wanted it passed.

I don’t about you but I’m going to find out if my Reps knew about this hidden tax.


40 posted on 12/21/2011 8:53:51 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: deweyfrank; WilliamIII
If you're talking about changing it for all the “youngsters”, I'm all for it. lol

The only way to change Social Security is to eliminate FICA "contributions" (taxes) entirely while maintaining Social Security payouts using general funds, with payouts capped at the individual's actual "contributions" and the option for a two-thirds (or whatever partial percentage) buyout in which the recipient waives all further claims against the U.S. government.

Any other solution that directly relies on being phased in will fail - just like the car tax "cut" here in Virginia, which was frozen after several years and remains in place, just at lower rates than when the tax "cut" was originally passed. After all, the whims of politicians can change from one General Assembly (or Congress) to another.

41 posted on 12/21/2011 9:00:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Sybeck1

////To get out of Dodge before Christmas.///

Winner

It will get a bipartisan majority everytime.


42 posted on 12/21/2011 9:03:57 PM PST by Ceebass
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To: deweyfrank

>> Who then, is going to fund SS?

This “payroll taxcut” is a load of crap, and liability to be eventually shouldered by kids now elementary school. Piss be upon DC.


43 posted on 12/21/2011 9:17:54 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: Malesherbes

Manchin is a blue dog D.


44 posted on 12/21/2011 9:21:38 PM PST by WVNan (!)
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To: Malesherbes
Thank gosh Kay Bailey Hutchison is going out and I hope Cornyn is defeated when he is up for re-election...not soon enough!

Cornyn votes with the RINOs...obviously has big time ambitions.

45 posted on 12/21/2011 9:29:55 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Steven Tyler

They are idiots.


46 posted on 12/21/2011 9:35:20 PM PST by Fledermaus (I'll vote for Mitt Romney when Hell freezes over. He'd be as bad as Obama.)
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Why did the GOP Senators vote for a two month extension in SS contribution cut?

Because their votes will cause the seniors to be homeless and die.

The Democrats votes help the working class while doing no harm to our seniors.

47 posted on 12/21/2011 9:39:03 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

You know, that’s sick.

And, true.


48 posted on 12/21/2011 9:41:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: originalbuckeye

We would be in a worse mess if the House went along. We should count our victories when we get them and regroup for more battles. The Senate is up for grabs next year and we need to get more conservatives elected for that body.


49 posted on 12/21/2011 10:06:25 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Steven Tyler

Without having the Senate bill to read, you can’t know entirely. The pipeline, to the Senators serious about jobs and energy we can have quickly on hand, is a serious issue.
So, they tied this approval to an extension in the “payroll tax cut” because the dems/obama want to be seen doing it. The liberals don’t want the pipeline, and want to have this subject come up again in two months, hence the two month extension (remember, dems want us all on the govt. teat).This is all inexcusable time wasting gamesmanship— to no good result for US citizens.

The main problem in all this is that the language is all wrong (and it is the media using the dems language). The “tax cut extension” is an extension of reduced mandatory withholding to the Social Security system (the FICA withholding).

Technically, these are called “contributions” to the SS insurance plan....but NOW they are calling this a “tax”. What continuing to extend the reduction in withholding to SS does is REDUCE the amount collected into the SS trust fund. The Democrats (under LBJ) long ago raided the Trust Fund, taking the funds from there and putting them into general revenue ledger and leaving an IOU to the fund. They did this to fake out the books and not show the actual debt/deficit of their spending.

Just listening to the radio BS on this language is very annoying. True, a year of reduced withholding means more money in peoples pockets— but Social Security is going bankrupt (actually is bankrupt)and reducing the funds for it will continue to destroy it.

If you really want to analyze the dems point of view— the obamaites anyway— Cloward Piven Alinsky intends to break down this pillar of society support systems. That does fit, but the repubs are not pointing that out. “Saving Social Security” would be the claim of no longer extending the “cuts” but the dems have already started the “money in the pockets” largesse, and repubs are playing along with them and upping the amount to one full year.

Dumb as the public is, the repubs may win this propaganda war— since Harry Reid and the Senate already left town, as has most of Congress. Lot of BS floating around.


50 posted on 12/21/2011 10:21:33 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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