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Germans Using Danes to Ship US Missiles to China On British Vessel Crewed By Ukrainians Caught By Fi
Human Events ^ | 12/22/2011 | John Hayward

Posted on 12/22/2011 11:16:00 AM PST by neverdem

Germans Using Danes to Ship US Missiles to China On British Vessel Crewed By Ukrainians Caught By Finns

It's quite unusual.

A cargo ship called the MS Thor Liberty, owned by a shipping company based in Denmark, was docked at the Finnish port of Kotka when alert dock workers noticed some funny-looking containers marked “fireworks.”  This naturally made the hackles rise on the Finns, because the Thor Liberty was bound for China, and everybody knows the Chinese invented fireworks.  Why would they be importing them?

Finnish authorities opened up those fireworks crates, and found them to contain 69 American-made Patriot anti-missile missiles, which are not terribly useful during fireworks displays, unless you get your kicks by shooting down your neighbor’s fireworks on the Fourth of July.  They would, however, be of some interest to the Chinese military.  Many of China's R&D (Ripoff & Duplicate) engineers probably had Patriot missiles written on their Christmas lists, which they promptly swallowed, to avoid being persecuted for unacceptable quasi-religious activities.

The shipping company, Thorco, says it has no idea how those missiles got aboard the Thor Liberty, to say nothing of the 160 tons of improperly packed nitroguanidine, which the BBC helpfully explains is “a low-sensitivity explosive with a high detonation speed.”  Fortunately, China is right next to Finland, so there wouldn’t be much risk of that stuff blowing up while the ship wallowed through rough seas.

Finnish authorities pronounced the whole situation “quite unusual,” which I think is equivalent to DEFCON 3 in that marvelously understated land.  To add to the international confusion, the Thor Liberty sailed out of Germany under a British flag and has a Ukrainian crew, which ended up spending a good deal of time answering questions from stern officials with lots of vowels in their names.

German news source The Local quotes an Oldenburg customs official saying, “I can’t speak for Finnish customs, but as far as Germany is concerned, the shipment was legal,” despite the ship’s apparent lack of a license to carry weapons.  There are theories this was all a silly paperwork snafu, and the Patriots should have been destined for South Korea, which often buys such missiles, and also enjoys receiving shipments of improperly packed explosives.  Lucky thing the Finns caught these MacMissiles before the situation got even stranger.

 



John Hayward is a staff writer for HUMAN EVENTS, and author of the recently published Doctor Zero: Year One. Follow him on Twitter: Doc_0. Contact him by email at jhayward@eaglepub.com.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; china; finland; southkorea; usmissiles
And they were accidentally labelled fireworks? Just like Fast and Furious was a botched operation? Sure, sure, sure...
1 posted on 12/22/2011 11:16:05 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Yesterday it was said that they were being shipped to South Korea?!


2 posted on 12/22/2011 11:17:28 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: neverdem

I met a German girl from England who went school in France and we danced the Mississippi at a Alpa Cappa dance.

I wasn’t me.


3 posted on 12/22/2011 11:21:01 AM PST by yobid (Si vis pacem, para bellum, If you wish for peace, prepare for war)
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To: neverdem

The o had directed they be shipped to China so Customs could find out where they eventually were headed. ATF had advocated sending them directly to the drug cartel in Mexico but were overruled.


4 posted on 12/22/2011 11:22:56 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: neverdem

And the beat goes on...

How did these get out of our inventory in the first place?


5 posted on 12/22/2011 11:29:58 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: neverdem

Sounds like a regular fun day at the UN.....................None dare call it treason.......................


6 posted on 12/22/2011 11:30:02 AM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: DoughtyOne

What did Obama know,and when did he stop knowing it...


7 posted on 12/22/2011 11:34:45 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: neverdem

This story just doesn’t make any sense.

A shipping container doesn’t have a description of what’s inside of it on the outside.

Obviously, the shipping company knows who the shipper, consingee and notify party is. Vessels aren’t just loaded with unknown containers and then discharge them wherever.

The author’s fascination with the vessel’s flag, crew, owner, and ports of lading and unlading indicates to me that he’s not very familiar with maritime cargo.


8 posted on 12/22/2011 11:36:24 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Farmer Dean

Under normal circumstances, I’d think that was a fringe comment. These days..., not so much.

Ya just never know.

I tend to doubt it, but I sure wouldn’t talk about it in absolutes.


9 posted on 12/22/2011 11:38:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee
I first confused guanidine with guanine, the nucleic acid. Guanidine is derived from guano. More better lining through chemistry!
10 posted on 12/22/2011 11:48:44 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: All
More better lining through chemistry!

Oh my peepers!

More better living through chemistry!

11 posted on 12/22/2011 11:54:23 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Hell, that cat was probably out of the bag when the Israelis sold Patriot technology to the Chinese when Clinton was President.

It's all about "sharing." It's good to "share," isn't it?

12 posted on 12/22/2011 11:56:39 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: neverdem
a Ukrainian crew, which ended up spending a good deal of time answering questions from stern officials with lots of vowels in their names.

Had only the crew been Kosavar. They could have redistributed the vowels, just to be fair...

13 posted on 12/22/2011 12:00:23 PM PST by null and void (Day 1065 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Carry_Okie
I've always been a big supporter of sharing. Playing catch is an example.
14 posted on 12/22/2011 12:07:19 PM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toingss 'em out!)
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To: neverdem

This story keeps changing.

South Korea is not China.

Which is it?


15 posted on 12/22/2011 12:07:51 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Farmer Dean
What did Obama know,and when did he stop knowing it...

That's a great line. Someone should suggest this to the talk radio hosts and GOP candidates.

16 posted on 12/22/2011 12:09:45 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: neverdem
Germans Using Danes to Ship US Missiles to China On British Vessel Crewed By Ukrainians Caught By Finns

... but I still blame the French.

17 posted on 12/22/2011 12:11:01 PM PST by Lazamataz (That's all.)
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To: yobid

Thanks for the laugh.

The real question is WHO sold these missiles to China?


18 posted on 12/22/2011 12:14:21 PM PST by Dudoight
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To: neverdem
Iran gets a drone and China gets Patriot missiles.

Merry Kwanza from Mordor-on-the-Potomac!

19 posted on 12/22/2011 12:27:21 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: GeronL; neverdem

The “real” story ain’t changing, the party posting thread changed it to China. Also the original story said nothing about shipment being labeled “fireworks”.

The German military said they legally sold them to South Korea. Its the Finns and neverdem that are all fussed up over nothing.


20 posted on 12/22/2011 12:46:41 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: Farmer Dean

Return address:
Dick Obama
Washington, D.C.

Note enclosed:
Merry Christmas, China! Since Iran is so happy with the drone I sent them, I thought you would enjoy these ‘fireworks.’ Sending them through Germany so no one will know they are from me! Have fun!
Your buddy,
Dick Obama


21 posted on 12/22/2011 1:00:48 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: X-spurt; neverdem

The poster didn’t change anything, it’s in the story and the title at Huaman Events


22 posted on 12/22/2011 1:18:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: neverdem

“unless you get your kicks by shooting down your neighbor’s fireworks on the Fourth of July.”

That would be SOOO cool!


23 posted on 12/22/2011 1:24:27 PM PST by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: meatloaf
That's not catch...

It's hot potato!

24 posted on 12/22/2011 1:29:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: neverdem
To add to the international confusion, the Thor Liberty sailed out of Germany under a British flag and has a Ukrainian crew, which ended up spending a good deal of time answering questions from stern officials with lots of vowels in their names.

And what the bow officials proceded to do is now the subject of a United Nation inquiry.

25 posted on 12/22/2011 1:57:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Las Vegas Ron; neverdem

Right you are. My apologies to neverdem.

Maybe should be, but am not familiar with Human Events of whom their John Hayward seems a bit wayward with the “loosely editorializing with fiction rather than facts”.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 2:48:15 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: thesaleboat

Yesterday it was said that they were being shipped to South Korea?!


They were supposed to be going to South Korea according to the Germans, but they were on a ship headed to China.

There’s gotta be an interesting back story to that one.

Glad the Finns caught the “error” before it was too late.


27 posted on 12/22/2011 2:58:13 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: thesaleboat

“they were being shipped to South Korea”

Fast work on that cover story, huh.


28 posted on 12/22/2011 5:09:42 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: neverdem
More better living through chemistry!

Yeah, only don't click your teeth.

29 posted on 12/22/2011 5:26:52 PM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: yobid
we did the "alligator" at an Alpha Cappa dance....it wasn't me...no no no it wasn't me...musta been some otha brotha no no no it wasn't me.
30 posted on 12/22/2011 6:03:02 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: neverdem
A post script to the story is that the missiles were being sent to South Korea as a legitimate arms deal from the German gov't.

I like John Hayward, and I think he's a darn good writer, but this story has more to it than might first be apparent.
31 posted on 12/22/2011 6:09:18 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: neverdem

Tell me this is a joke about globalism or free trade, and I missed the punch line.


32 posted on 12/23/2011 1:06:20 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: neverdem

Tell me this is a joke about globalism or free trade, and I missed the punch line.


33 posted on 12/23/2011 1:06:28 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: neverdem
I guess that the technology transfers which occurred under Clinton were not convenient enough for the Chinese, who want their Christmas gifts delivered preassembled this year. Our President obeys the will of his masters. Thankfully the Finns are always confounding the plans of communists

This IS treason.

34 posted on 12/23/2011 1:58:12 AM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: DoughtyOne

>> How did these get out of our inventory in the first place?

NATO Operators
Germany
Luftwaffe Flugabwehrraketengeschwader 1
Flugabwehrraketengeschwader 2
Flugabwehrraketengeschwader 5

Poland[30]
Polish Air Force

Greece
Hellenic Air Force 350 Guided Missiles Wing

Netherlands
Royal Netherlands Air Force 802 Squadron
803 Squadron

Spain
Spanish Army Regimiento de Artillería antiaérea 74

United States
United States Army[31]

The US Army operates a total of 1106 Patriot launchers.
32d Army Air & Missile Defense Command, FORSCOM 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade 1st Battalion, 43d Air Defense Artillery Regiment
2d Battalion, 43d Air Defense Artillery Regiment
3d Battalion, 43d Air Defense Artillery Regiment
5th Battalion, 52d Air Defense Artillery Regiment

31st Air Defense Artillery Brigade 3d Battalion, 2d Air Defense Artillery Regiment
4th Battalion, 3d Air Defense Artillery Regiment

69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade 4th Battalion, 5th Air Defense Artillery Regiment
1st Battalion, 44th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

108th Air Defense Artillery Brigade 1st Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery Regiment 3d Battalion, 4th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

94th Army Air and Missile Defense Command, USARPAC 1st Battalion, 1st Air Defense Artillery Regiment

35th Air Defense Artillery Brigade, Eighth Army 2d Battalion, 1st Air Defense Artillery Regiment
6th Battalion, 52d Air Defense Artillery Regiment

357th Air & Missile Defense Detachment, V Corps 5th Battalion 7th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

6th Air Defense Artillery Brigade, TRADOC 3d Battalion, 6th Air Defense Artillery Regiment

Other Operators [32]
Bahrain
Royal Bahraini Air Force

Egypt
Egyptian Air Defense Command

Israel
Israeli Air Force (GEM+[33])

Japan
Japan Air Self-Defense Force

Jordan
Royal Jordanian Air Force

Kuwait
Kuwait Air Force
In August 2010, the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency announced that Kuwait had formally requested to buy 209 MIM-104E missiles.[34]
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Republic of China Air Force

Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Republic of Korea Air Force 1st Air Defense Artillery Brigade
2nd Air Defense Artillery Brigade

Saudi Arabia
Royal Saudi Air Defense


35 posted on 12/23/2011 5:16:31 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

LOL< remind me not to ask for answers to questions, I’d rather not see.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 10:43:14 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Post Cold War, the Germans sold a lot of their assets to Poland and Taiwan, with complete U.S. Government approval.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 4:38:35 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Thanks for the mention.


38 posted on 12/24/2011 10:34:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: thesaleboat

South Korea makes more sense, the Chinese have already downloaded multiple terabytes of data from the US government, DOD, Raytheon, and all the other defense contractors. The last secret kept by our Government is BO’s birth certificate.


39 posted on 12/24/2011 10:39:04 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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