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Fiasco: Bachmann, Huntsman, Santorum fail to make Virginia ballot
HotAir ^ | 12/22/2011 | ALLAHPUNDIT

Posted on 12/22/2011 6:14:28 PM PST by TBBT

That’s not even the worst part. The worst part is that Perry and Gingrich, either one of whom could still become the Great Grassroots Hope against Romney, might not have qualified either. You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized. You also need at least 600 signatures from each of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts. Romney submitted 16,026 and Ron Paul submitted 14,361. Perry’s total: 11,911. Gingrich’s: 11,050. If they end up getting bounced, the Republican primary ballot for one of America’s key swing states will consist exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

*snip*

Larry Sabato expects the state GOP will turn a “blind eye” to any signature problems on Perry’s or Gingrich’s petitions. I’ll bet. Question for political junkies, then: How could Bachmann, Huntsman, and Santorum have failed this epically? Is it a simple matter of lacking the resources to put people in the field collecting signatures or is it a sign of deep organizational dysfunction that should rightly disqualify them from the race?

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Blind eye. No doubt.
1 posted on 12/22/2011 6:14:33 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Is not making Virginia fatal to a campaign?


2 posted on 12/22/2011 6:19:02 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TBBT

Is it a simple matter of lacking the resources to put people in the field collecting signatures
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I’m thinking that’s got to be it.


3 posted on 12/22/2011 6:19:40 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: TBBT

I wish this chicken**** “primary” would hurry up and end. I’m sick of all this crap. Barry and the ‘RATS are laughing their asses off while the Republicans spend all day clobbering each other over the head with rubber chickens. “Hey Moe! Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!”


4 posted on 12/22/2011 6:20:16 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Jonty30

Is not making Virginia fatal to a campaign?
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No. This is, afterall, the Primary, not the GE.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 6:20:49 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Jonty30

Failing to make the ballot on one state is almost, but not entirely, meaningless.


6 posted on 12/22/2011 6:21:06 PM PST by Crichton
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Huge massive GROAN

Just WOW............just..........wow..........

Well I hope there is a mistake in the numbers HA posted.


7 posted on 12/22/2011 6:21:51 PM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: TBBT
If they end up getting bounced, the Republican primary ballot for one of America’s key swing states will consist exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.

Then, just for the hell of it, I hope all the anti-Romney forces join together and vote for Kooky-dude and he wins the VA Primary and leaves Romney looking stupid.
8 posted on 12/22/2011 6:24:09 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: no dems

It’s good to know that Mitt isn’t getting a coronation, regardless of what happens.


9 posted on 12/22/2011 6:24:09 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TBBT

In the immortal words of Nelson Muntz “ HA, HA!”


10 posted on 12/22/2011 6:27:41 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Ya mean “RINOs.” Just when we thought 2008 was an embarrassment, 2012 takes the cake.


11 posted on 12/22/2011 6:31:49 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (If Newt Gingrich is a Reliable Conservative, Joe Biden is a member of MENSA)
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To: TBBT; potlatch; PhilDragoo; devolve; bitt

This is pathetic. This would never happen to 0bama. Ever. He has a history of disappearing his opponents’ signatures.


13 posted on 12/22/2011 6:33:05 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: TBBT

This is why I wear my “I’m with stupid” t-shirt when I get around elected Republicans.


14 posted on 12/22/2011 6:34:11 PM PST by Yankee (ANNOY THE RNC: NOMINATE NEWT GINGRICH!)
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To: TBBT

Sooooo the fix is in?....................


15 posted on 12/22/2011 6:34:41 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: no dems

“Then, just for the hell of it, I hope all the anti-Romney forces join together and vote for Kooky-dude and he wins the VA Primary and leaves Romney looking stupid.”

I can see a fantastic backfire in the making, if Paul wins both Iowa and Virginia. Wouldn’t be able to chalk it up to a one-state fluke. Then in a few months everyone can express confusion over how he got the nomination when no one wanted him.


16 posted on 12/22/2011 6:37:35 PM PST by COgamer
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To: Jonty30

FOr me it is, since I’m in Virginia. Why would I support a candidate I can’t even vote for?

Or more importantly, why would I support a candidate who couldn’t be bothered to collect signatures.

Yes, there are a lot of signatures needed, but it’s not hard. We have republican committees in every county. All you have to do is send your petitions to each committee, and ask for help. You’ll get half your signatures just passing the petitions around the committees, and then they can collect the rest.

If you were paying attention, Virginia had an actual ELECTION in November. All you needed to do was ask the republican committees to pass your petitions to the people they had handing out sample ballots. A couple hundred actual voters at each precinct — and you’ve got your numbers.

Funny thing is, I bet Cain had enough signatures. He had his petitions at the polling places. But he dropped out, so I presume they decided not to file.

I don’t think Santorum and Bachmann were even trying. I wrote to both campaign more than once asking them if they wanted help, and to offer the signatures of my three voting age family members. Neither responded, although Santorum put me on his mailing list.

I call on Santorum and Bachmann to drop out, and let their supporters move to real candidates who are actually RUNNING for the nomination, as evidenced by doing the mundane task of QUALIFYING FOR THE BALLOT.

Meanwhile, my job is a lot easier now. Gingrich or Perry. Perry or Gingrich.

Maybe I’ll wait until tuesday, and see if they both qualify — although I agree with Sabato. Virginia law puts the decision absolutely in the hands of the RPV, and they can use any standard they want. That’s why Romney is already “qualified”, they decided if you submit 15,000 signatures they won’t even count them.

And if McDonald is supporting Gingrich or Perry, he won’t let them get bumped. Heck, assuming both Gingrich and Perry have supporters on the RPV (I will note they have BOTH headlined RPV events, Perry months ago and Gingrich yesterday), I think they’ll watch out for their candidate.

But if you want to be “helped” onto the ballot, you first have to actually submit signatures. Bachmann, Santorum, Fail. Sorry. You are out of here, please resign so we can get a real conservative to win in Iowa?


17 posted on 12/22/2011 6:37:53 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TBBT
I mean no disrespect to any Freeper in Iowa or New Hampshire...but the existing system that empowers these two states is insane.

So the money and time that is spent in these two states makes the lesser candidates neglect a state like Virginia..that has more electoral votes than the other two combined. Unbelievable.

The primary process needs to change, imho.

18 posted on 12/22/2011 6:41:53 PM PST by berdie
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I agree with you, that for Perry and Gingrich, there is no real excuse. One of the basic questions a good campaign manager should be asking is about the status of each state, to ensure they have the requisite number of signatures, with a reasonable safety margin.


19 posted on 12/22/2011 6:42:46 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Apparently Santorum was close. Here is a note from his Facebook page:

TEAM SANTORUM: Tomorrow is the deadline for ballot qualification in Virginia and we are close to reaching the 10,000 signatures needed. We are making one final push and need your help. If you are able to help get some signatures collected in the next 18 hours, please email: shelley@ricksantorum.com.

He has less available resources and staff than any of the other candidates running. I don't think that it's an issue of him not being able to be bothered. He's simply running on a shoestring budget (and in general has done an excellent job in my opinion).
20 posted on 12/22/2011 6:45:56 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: COgamer; All

With the exposing, this week, of his Newsletters from the ‘90s that espoused Anti-Semitism, racism, anti-gay and anti-government rants Ron Paul will not go very far. He might not make it to VA. His name will be on the ballot, but he’ll be out of it. Not to worry.


21 posted on 12/22/2011 6:47:28 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Bachmann, Santorum, Fail. Sorry. You are out of here, please resign so we can get a real conservative to win in Iowa?
In fairness, most would say those two are "real conservatives".

Their problem is that they are not "viable" real conservatives. That fact will not change even if they perform well or above expectations in Iowa. Their fans will cling on to any perceive success in Iowa as a sign that - even if it's a long shot - their guy/gal has a chance to win this thing. It's just not going to happen. Neither stands a chance against the Romney machine. What happened there in VA. with not getting on the ballot is just further evidence of that.
22 posted on 12/22/2011 6:47:40 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Interesting. So, fellow FReepers, in a contest between Willard and Ron Paul, who would you vote for?


24 posted on 12/22/2011 6:48:24 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

I’m from Virginia, I registered as a Virginian, I’m on his mailing list, and I wrote his campaign to tell them I’d sign a petition.

And the campaign never got back to me, nor did they ever tell me where they were located in the state.

I’m sorry to hear he was close and didn’t make it — It could be he had plenty of signatures from where I live, and was having trouble in the more democratic districts. I’ve always hoped Santorum could catch fire, but what can you do.

This is what happened with me and Hunter in 2008. Hunter failed to make the ballot in Virginia (at least I got a chance to sign his ballot).

The only petition I signed this year was Herman Cain.


25 posted on 12/22/2011 6:49:04 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jonty30

Perry and Gingrich made it. Barely but the have the signatures in. I assume they were collected thru the RPV or a county committee, so most probably ARE legit.


26 posted on 12/22/2011 6:49:08 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Jonty30

Something about this story sounds fishy...

I’m going to wait and see this confirmed by some other news sources. I’m not going to be shocked if they still have more time to collect signatures.

This story just seems unbelievable.


27 posted on 12/22/2011 6:49:51 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"Meanwhile, my job is a lot easier now. Gingrich or Perry. Perry or Gingrich."


Not so fast, apparently you did not read the whole article:

"The worst part is that Perry and Gingrich, either one of whom could still become the Great Grassroots Hope against Romney, might not have qualified either. You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized. You also need at least 600 signatures from each of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts. Romney submitted 16,026 and Ron Paul submitted 14,361. Perry’s total: 11,911. Gingrich’s: 11,050. If they end up getting bounced, the Republican primary ballot for one of America’s key swing states will consist exclusively of … Mitt Romney and Ron Paul."
28 posted on 12/22/2011 6:49:51 PM PST by rob777
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I’m asking you to cut Santorum some slack. I’m a Newt guy right now; but, I think Rick Santorum is going to be the “surprise” coming out of Iowa. But, unlike Michele Bachmann, the boy has limited finances and staff.


29 posted on 12/22/2011 6:52:54 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Jonty30

I’m not really worried about Perry and Gingrich. If they were reasonable in control of their process, they likely have valid signatures. I didn’t collect signatures this time around because I’ve been out of the republican party since 2008, but when I was in the party, we were all very careful.

And they probably won’t check for duplicates — I believe the entire validation is going to take place in one day (tomorrow) because they don’t want to work over Christmas.

And they have no interest in bumping either of these candidates, so why would they look hard. They don’t HAVE to.


30 posted on 12/22/2011 6:54:22 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TBBT
You need 10,000 signatures to make the ballot but 15,000 are recommended since a bunch are bound to be thrown out as false or duplicative as the petitions are scrutinized.

We're not in Wisconsin anymore.

31 posted on 12/22/2011 6:55:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: ntnychik

This whole election cycle is pathetic. First they’re up, then they’re down, move on to the next one and repeat. People are more angry and ugly than I remember from before, but our real anger is the fear of more Obama. I’ve stayed with Perry.......till the bitter end.


32 posted on 12/22/2011 6:56:19 PM PST by potlatch (*snip*~ Having the right to be angry does not give one the right to be cruel. ~*snip*)
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To: Crichton

Thanks Crichton,makes me feel better.I asked my husband to send money to Santorum.If he makes it through Iowa I can help him in little ways.


33 posted on 12/22/2011 6:58:13 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: rob777

Santorum and Bachmann will be the only one’s that don’t qualify.

The others have at least a 10% balance for duplicates.


34 posted on 12/22/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr

I don’t think it’s fishy. The process is designed to weed out amateurs or incompetents. Those who don’t have strong party support are harder pressed to succeed, in terms of raising funds or to ensure they are eligible throughout the whole process.

Mitt, the establishment candidate, has the party doing it all for him, so he can just focus on running. Gingrich and Perry, because they are not establishment candidates are more on their own to find good people who can do all the background work themselves. So, they are going to have a tougher haul.


35 posted on 12/22/2011 7:06:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TBBT

I was listening to Karl Rove talk about this and of course he took the opportunity to blast Newt about his poor organization and barely making it on time. He never once mentioned Bachmann, Santorum or Huntsman not making it at all. I just can’t stand the bias from that man. What a POS he has turned out to be. Organizations cost money and that is what it takes to put people on the ground and in this case collect signatures.


36 posted on 12/22/2011 7:09:33 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: rob777

Not so fast. That’s Allahpundit’s typical BS speculation, not fact.


37 posted on 12/22/2011 7:09:46 PM PST by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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To: Jonty30
"Is not making Virginia fatal to a campaign?"

Since the GOP decided to emulate the idiotic system the democrats use by allocating delegates proportional to votes, every primary state is important now, if the race is close. It isn't winner take all anymore. I wonder if the dumbasses decided to start using 'super delegates' too!

So terribly STUPID! One is supposed to LEARN from the mistakes of OTHERS. Not follow them!

38 posted on 12/22/2011 7:11:57 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn
Since the GOP decided to emulate the idiotic system the democrats use by allocating delegates proportional to votes, every primary state is important now, if the race is close. It isn't winner take all anymore.

It was winner-take-all that gave us John McCain. John McCain never won a majority of any Republican primary vote until he finally captured his home state, Arizona, and wrapped up the nomination.

Now that's what I'd call an "idiotic system".

39 posted on 12/22/2011 7:17:05 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: TBBT
I live in Virginia. I hope I get a chance to vote for a Bachmann or a Santorum in the primaries. It would be nice to actually cast a vote for somebody that I agree with ideologically for once. Last time we had 2 people still running by the time VA got to vote McLame or Huckster.

I envy the Democrats, ALL their candidates are ideologically pure, i.e. radical socialists. The MSM sees to that and covers for them.

40 posted on 12/22/2011 7:18:59 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jonty30

You misunderstood me, I don’t think the process if fishy...I think the reporting is fishy.

I’m not going to be surprised if it is inaccurate...maybe, maybe not, but I want to see some other news confirmation.


41 posted on 12/22/2011 7:21:30 PM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Jonty30
The process is designed to weed out amateurs or incompetents.

Great. The Professional Politicians™ have been doing such a good job over the years. /sarc

42 posted on 12/22/2011 7:22:19 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Just when we thought 2008 was an embarrassment, 2012 takes the cake.

How does Ron Paul get that many signatures? Nevermind. Sheesh.

43 posted on 12/22/2011 7:24:41 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Parley Baer

Rove is PAID to ensure his candidates have easy elections as possible.

Hire me and my firm and you will have no surprises.

Campain managers are not able to keep a job is any smuck can upstage them with mere grassroots.


44 posted on 12/22/2011 7:28:34 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Parley Baer

Fox News has turned into Romney Campaign Headquarters. It is disgusting


45 posted on 12/22/2011 7:28:46 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: potlatch

I’ll vote for the GOP candidate opposing 0bama. Purism, teaching a lesson, voting third party, staying home, being influenced by the October Surprise all will lead to another 0 term. Needless to say, we can’t afford that as a nation.


46 posted on 12/22/2011 7:28:59 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: Parley Baer
I was listening to Karl Rove talk about this and of course he took the opportunity to blast Newt about his poor organization and barely making it on time. He never once mentioned Bachmann, Santorum or Huntsman not making it at all. I just can’t stand the bias from that man. What a POS he has turned out to be. Organizations cost money and that is what it takes to put people on the ground and in this case collect signatures.

While it's disappointing that Paul and Romney have more signatures than Gingrich and Perry, Karl Rove is, as you say, a POS. He's doing everything he can to tear down the non-Romney candidates. He's deliberately trying to discourage people from supporting anybody but Romney.
47 posted on 12/22/2011 7:31:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: rbmillerjr

I did misunderstand you and the source of the information could very well have a vested interest. It is true that, when it comes to politics, everything we hear is going to be geared to creating an impression.


48 posted on 12/22/2011 7:37:59 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Newt made the ballot..he is IN ...GOOOOOOOOO NEWT!!!!
According to CNN

10 hours ago
Gingrich secures spot on Virginia ballot

Posted by
CNN Political Producer Shawna Shepherd

Richmond, Virginia (CNN) - Newt Gingrich is campaigning in his home state Thursday after collecting 10,000 signatures needed to get on Virginia’s primary ballot.

According to his campaign, they met the threshold yesterday but Gingrich told party faithful at a state GOP fundraising breakfast they expect to deliver petitions this afternoon with anywhere from 12,000-14,000 signatures.

A Gingrich spokesperson said the visit to Virginia was to help “push us over the top” and demonstrate the campaign’s ground game capabilities compared to well-funded Mitt Romney.

“It’s a demonstration that Gingrich is outrunning Romney in states beyond Iowa,” said press secretary R.C. Hammond.

As all of the Republican presidential candidates race to meet Virginia’s Thursday deadline, a new poll out Wednesday shows Gingrich topping Romney in the state ( http://on.cnn.com/w09wtS).

The Virginia primary is on March 6, Super Tuesday.


49 posted on 12/22/2011 7:38:29 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: TBBT
Wow, what a mess. And people are giving us crap about how we do things in Iowa!!
50 posted on 12/22/2011 7:43:34 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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