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Reid Hopes Payroll Tax Cut Debacle a ‘Learning Experience’ for House Freshman
abc ^ | 12/23/2011 | By Sunlen Miller

Posted on 12/23/2011 10:01:58 AM PST by tobyhill

In session for a whopping 1 minute, 28 seconds, the Senate today passed by unanimous consent the updated, slightly tweaked version of the two-month payroll tax cut extension.

Hailing this as a “new day,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., celebrated and then appointed, as the compromise called for, his designees for the conference committee to negotiate a year-long payroll tax deal. The appointees are: Sens. Max Baucus, D-Mont.; Ben Cardin, D-Md.; Jack Reed, D-R.I.; and Bob Casey, D-Pa.

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Reid left with departing messages to Republicans: His message to the Republican leader in the Senate should really be interpreted as for the House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio: ”Most everything we do around here is based on trust,” Reid said. “That’s how we get things done. And I want everyone to understand how much I appreciate Mitch McConnell sticking by the arrangement, the agreement that we made. ”

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KEYWORDS: herryreid; mcconnell; mitchmcconnell; payrolltaxcuts; spendingbill; xmasspendingbill
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What "trust"? The Senate Rats and RINOs have hung the House GOP out to dry everytime.

I am totally conviced McConnell and the other Senate RINOs are working for Obama's reelection.

1 posted on 12/23/2011 10:02:00 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

”Most everything we do around here is based on trust,”

“Please trust that the knife protruding from you back was not personal.


2 posted on 12/23/2011 10:04:37 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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F U Dingy Harry.

Dingy Harry is going to reneg on any “deal” he made, and then the stenographers of the Washington press corpse will blame Republicans for it all. And the stupid sheeple will lap it up like thirsty dogs at a water dish.


3 posted on 12/23/2011 10:05:53 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: tobyhill

how daaaaaaaare he.

Seething.


4 posted on 12/23/2011 10:06:50 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: tobyhill
As I understand it the issue with the House and Senate came down to this: The House wanted a 1 year extension
The Senate wanted a 2 month extension.

Now which actually sounds better?

The MSM reports this as follows: The House is threatening to allow taxes to increase rather than compromising with the Dems. Bad, bad GOP.

Assuming for the moment that the Senate wanted 1 year and the House wanted 2 months the MSM would report EXACTLY THE SAME THING. It would the GOP hanging things up.

This is simply the state of affairs that we live in with an MSM, recently joined by Fox News, that controls public opinion to a very large extent and is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. They are very hard to buck in an election year. That's life. It will take a long time to stop that train and turn it around.

5 posted on 12/23/2011 10:09:14 AM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Exactly. I'm done with the GOP. They have offered us RINO stew for long enough now.

At this point in time, it doesn't matter if Obama gets reelected or not because the RINOs will still sellout the Conservatives.

6 posted on 12/23/2011 10:10:25 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

I sure wish Pinky would teach them his lesson on how he made the lights go out in Nevada and come back on with him in the lead.

Maybe one of these days Harry will get taught a lesson about the value and kindness, honesty, and humility.

Probably won’t happen until he dies and passes to the place much hotter than Nevada.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 10:10:25 AM PST by dforest
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To: tobyhill

In other words....You Tea Party types that think you can change the way we big wigs do things in Washington,DC now know how the Gov’t is REALLY run. We Democrats and the establishment Republicans we allow to share power decide everything and you should know your place....So listen to the RINO’s in your party and now one gets hurt! -(Dingy Harry) Reid.


8 posted on 12/23/2011 10:11:38 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: InterceptPoint
No matter how it's sliced, it's a win for Obama and Reid with the assistance of McConnell.
9 posted on 12/23/2011 10:12:03 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

Reid: the master of insipid pugnacity.


10 posted on 12/23/2011 10:14:59 AM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: tobyhill
Reid Hopes Payroll Tax Cut Debacle a ‘Learning Experience’ for House Freshman

I'll bet. Lesson one, never trust a democrat. Lesson two never trust a RINO. Lesson three, remember who put you there.

11 posted on 12/23/2011 10:16:33 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: tobyhill

I apologize for this vanity but I have got to ask: Am I the only one who thinks that the coverage of this payroll tax extension was such that there was NO WAY THE REPUBLICANS could come out on top of this?

Not only that but NO ONE INCLUDING CONSERVATE COMMENTATORS is noticing this?

Everyone is playing this like the “stupid Republican” screwed up again!

Again I expect this coverage from the media but what is surprising is no one is mentioning the coverage made it impossible for the republicans to win.

Boehner, Ryan and Cantor were talking until they practically needed resuscitation but their words got ZERO coverage.

We can criticize Boehner and the house Pubbies but really the way the press covered this there was no way to win this thing. We had better get used to this as this agreement guarantees this will come up every few months.

They might be expected to only renew this for a few weeks or days with coverage like this to keep this in news getting fawning coverage for the ‘RATs!

They would have covered Kennedy’s accident like Teddie was helping a Chappaquiddick girl in trouble. With the coverage of this payroll extension, if I were Teddie up in heaven right now I’d be asking where is my award!?!


12 posted on 12/23/2011 10:16:55 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: tobyhill

I don’t think the Pubbies are to blame for this. They don’t control the media coverage which was insanely lopsided on this issue.

That is not unexpected but what is surprising is that no one seems to have noticed this include conservative commentators on our side.


13 posted on 12/23/2011 10:18:54 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: tobyhill
No matter how it's sliced, it's a win for Obama and Reid with the assistance of McConnell.

Get used to it until we take over the Senate and the Presidency. At this point the only option that is available to counter the propaganda put out by the MSM is paid commercial advertising. That's it - a totally impractical solution. And we have essentially no allies within the MSM to get the message out particularly since, IMHO, Fox News has more or less abandoned us.

I don't see any near term solution to this problem. I really don't.

14 posted on 12/23/2011 10:19:35 AM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: jakerobins

BINGO!!

This admonition by Harry Reid is proof of his mind-set. He is not in office to serve his constituents - his raison d’etre is ego-centric power and control.

His attitude, behavior and comments are un-American.

How does he ever get elected? Are voters in Nevada that dumb?


15 posted on 12/23/2011 10:19:52 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: Michael Barnes
Very well stated and definitely one of the best post I've seen.

We keep hanging our hats on the hope that the RINOs will back us up but in the end we are always disappointed.

16 posted on 12/23/2011 10:20:18 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: jakerobins
In other words....You Tea Party types that think you can change the way we big wigs do things in Washington,DC now know how the Gov’t is REALLY run.

And yet the Tea Party caucus completely caved as well. As best I can tell not a single Tea Party Republican voiced objection to House passage today. In fact, I believe it was done via unanimous voice vote that could have been blocked by a single conservative Republican.

Face it, politics is politics. No matter who we send up there, they are going to have to deal with political realities and learn when and how to pick their battles. Rage all you want, but the next batch of grass roots conservatives elected will do the same exact thing if the politics of an issue goes against them.

17 posted on 12/23/2011 10:20:43 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: tobyhill
I don't know what the Conservative House freshmen learned but they should have learned as I have that the Republicans like their brethren the Democrats absolutely hate conservatives and will screw them (us) over at any opportunity.
I know that I have been slow to learn and quick to forget, but I think I have finally learned my lesson. Independents or third parties is all I am voting for in the future.
18 posted on 12/23/2011 10:22:54 AM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: tobyhill
That’s how we get things done.

We kick the can 2 months further down the road.

Is this what he said when he and Pelosi controlled both houses in 2010 and decided to not even try working on a budget?

19 posted on 12/23/2011 10:23:40 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: tobyhill

I am totally conviced McConnell and the other Senate RINOs are working for Obama’s reelection.”

Wouldn’t be the first time. These guys are professional looser more interested in getting along in Washington than saving the country. It’s about them not us, the citizenry....

The Republican party needs to go the way of the Wigs. Currently they are the only party that is more interested in impressing the other parties constituents than serving their own.


20 posted on 12/23/2011 10:23:59 AM PST by Breto (The republican leadership are morons)
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To: InterceptPoint
There's two words that would finally solve that problem, “fight back”.

Do a Ron Paul with the MSM Idiots but also have some choice words for them before walking out. The MSM knows we know they are bias Liberals but the one thing they hate worse than being one is being called one to their face.

21 posted on 12/23/2011 10:24:55 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

The gop is putty in reids hands, they are a sickening bunch of pukes.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 10:27:02 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: jakerobins

You are so right! We have to get more tea party folks elected before the professional politicians ruin them. I’m sick of their crap.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 10:27:38 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: tobyhill

And there you have it. The establishment (RATS & RINOs) outnumber the new members of the House. They will unite to teach the Tea party members to behave and get in line.


24 posted on 12/23/2011 10:28:03 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
Am I the only one who thinks that the coverage of this payroll tax extension was such that there was NO WAY THE REPUBLICANS could come out on top of this?

No, you are not.

And am I the only one who's asking why did the Senate pass a bill with only a two-month extension -- which turned out to be totally unworkable, anyway?

What was the purpose of that?

And why did Mitch McConnell and the GOP Senate support it?

The House's position was totally defensible. They had passed a 12-month extension. Whereupon, they should've gone home -- leaving it to the Senate to pass the House bill...or be blamed for not passing the extension.

Conclusion: The GOP Senate helped create the problem. The GOP House then didn't handle the resultant situation well.

25 posted on 12/23/2011 10:28:26 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Breto
They don't want a Republican in the White House because they may actually have to do some work.
26 posted on 12/23/2011 10:29:27 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: okie01

To teach the freshmen Congrss Critters a lesson about who is really in charge.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 10:30:25 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: tobyhill

Sure the freshman have learned that the RATS are the enemy of the state and can NEVER be trused.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 10:33:39 AM PST by kenmcg (How)
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To: USNBandit
It's totally amazing how the Rats and MSM can call kicking the can down the road for 2 months a victory for Obama but that's exactly how it's being portrayed with the help of the Senate RINOs.
29 posted on 12/23/2011 10:33:39 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: Longbow1969

The thing is the politics of the issue was behind the Republicans! If they had taken the time to speak out and tell people what the bill was about....Instead they let the Democrats and Media frame the Issue. The Democrats do this every year around Christmas when most of Congress wants to go home and be with their families to get their way. I expect Christmas 2012 to be MUCH worse. A lame duck Senate with a Lame duck President......Things are going to get BAD


30 posted on 12/23/2011 10:36:34 AM PST by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins
The one good thing that could come about this is if the House GOP will just pass the bills, send it to the Senate and then adjourn.

Tell the Senate to take it or leave it just like they did to the House even if it means the Government shuts down.

I don't expect that to happen with “leadership” like Boehner.

31 posted on 12/23/2011 10:41:01 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: jakerobins

I see your point and get your frustration.

However Bonier, Ryan and Cantor were talking until they practically needed resucitation but it was NOT reported in the news. It got zero, nada, no coverage.

What we saw the the US media equivalent of North Korea’s coverage of Kim Jong Il’s passing.

The Pubbies did nothing wrong. In fact they did a lot of things right. But they don’t control the news.

Which is expected but EVEN CONSERVATIVES were hoodwinked by this or didn’t notice. That includes conservative news commentators, which I haven’t heard a single one mention this.

Make me wish Rush wasn’t on vacation.


32 posted on 12/23/2011 10:45:00 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: InterceptPoint
"As I understand it the issue with the House and Senate came down to this: The House wanted a 1 year extension The Senate wanted a 2 month extension."

Yeah, and Obama just said at his Press announcement that he wants Congress to "work together" to extend it through "all of 2012."

WTF?

33 posted on 12/23/2011 10:50:29 AM PST by eCSMaster (Democrats: looking for someone to blame)
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To: eCSMaster
It's a Rat game to drag this crap out for months just to beat the GOP over the head with it.

Harry Reid with the help of the RINOs will give Obama another gift with another short extension and then another and then another.

34 posted on 12/23/2011 10:56:12 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: tobyhill

With coverage like this they might only renew it for a couple of weeks or days. That way the LSM can give ‘RATs victories every other day.

Which is to be expected but again what is concerning is that even conservatives are not standing with the PUBBIES who stood up to this. They didn’t do anything wrong. In fact they did a lot of things right. But with coverage like this there was no way to come out on top.


35 posted on 12/23/2011 11:06:54 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: tobyhill

I really am just hoping for a collapse at this point. We deserve it and earned it.

This nation is finished.


36 posted on 12/23/2011 11:07:48 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: tobyhill
The learning experience is that ANY of them could have objected to the "unanimous consent" and stopped it. "Boner" is a spineless eunuch. He always rolls over. Approving that stupid 2 month extension gave Obama what he really wanted...a way to "stick it" to anyone purchasing or refinancing a house over $200k. Rush was all over the issue, but nobody else said squat. Fortunately, House seats can be completely replaced every 2 years. Looks like we need to find some folks who are willing to "walk the walk" instead of giving us lip service.
37 posted on 12/23/2011 11:08:53 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

My hatred for obama and these communists is off the charts. Same for Boerhner, mcConnell and all the other idiots in the GOP.

What a wortheless party.


38 posted on 12/23/2011 11:12:49 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: tobyhill

And we get to do this all over again in two months. Same ponzinomics all over again.


39 posted on 12/23/2011 11:14:22 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: sodpoodle

Reid is a political pile of dung. I detest him more than O turd. It pissed me off to no end the dolts in Nevada relected this scum bag. He has been lining his pockets there for years. His just a poor boy from Searchlight rails on me as he yuks it up in his condo at the Ritz Carlton. Just like one of his predecessors when he led the senate, he says one thing in DC and something quite different in Nv.


40 posted on 12/23/2011 11:17:16 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: tobyhill

What about the Canuk pipe line? Did we get that or just the pipe up the rear?


41 posted on 12/23/2011 11:23:35 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mouton

He just cannot keep his mouth shut. He should have accepted the victory with grace and shut up. Nope he has to twist the knife in the new Congressmen. Just nothing but a jerk from Searchlight.


42 posted on 12/23/2011 11:25:05 AM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: Mouton

I hate his phony speaking voice. I remember him describing Tom Daschle as being ‘soft spoken’ - and I think of that comment every time I hear Reid’s smarmy cadence.

I suspect someone told him to speak softly and carry a big stick.

Seems to be working for the old imposter.


43 posted on 12/23/2011 11:34:25 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason..)
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To: tobyhill
When Matt Damon said Obama didn't have any balls, the RINOs got jealous and will make it a point to check their balls at the door.

I'll wager you and many others are correct - Reid will renege and insist on more ball-checking when they reconvene.

44 posted on 12/23/2011 11:37:07 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: eCSMaster
When you own the MSM you can get away with crap like this.

Just consider the value of this resource. Consider what it would cost to use paid advertising to counter it. The MSM remains a formidable force in American politics. The internet gives us a voice, actually our only real voice, but at this point in time it cannot counter the lies that the MSM can spew out on any political issue.

I hope I don't come off as a fatalist. In fact I think I'm a realist. The problem can be overcome be we are talking decades not years or months.

45 posted on 12/23/2011 11:37:55 AM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: central_va

We didn’t get a pipeline because congress doesn’t have the authority to make Obama choose.


46 posted on 12/23/2011 11:44:16 AM PST by tobyhill (Obama, The Biggest Thief In American History)
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To: Michael Barnes

The idiot of the Senate speaks.


47 posted on 12/23/2011 11:47:12 AM PST by baiamonte
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To: Tupelo

I’ve come to the same conclusion. The GOP cannot be that stupid. They had to know this issue would help obama. They should have signed onto this thing up front and then hammer away that the dems only gave up a 2 month cut while the repubs wanted a year. Then hammer that in 2 months we’re going to fight ‘til death for a one year extension. So the only explanation as to why they chose to do this at Christmas is to hand the election to the dems.

I think the same thing about unemployment benefits. If the republicans can get it cut to 59 weeks less people are on the rolls and thus the unemployment rate goes down. The republicans get blamed for shafting the little guy while obama gets credit for lowering unemployment.

Finally, I think the republican takeover of the house, and the failure to take the senate thanks to the GOP elite, was done so obama would have someone to blame going into the election. Anyone want to take bets that obama gets re-elected?


48 posted on 12/23/2011 11:49:35 AM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: tobyhill

Myself, I think this was a very poor choice for a battle royal. Stupid, really. I think the GOP should have gone entirely the other way and supported it from the beginning.

You’re concerned about social security? Great, let’s defund it with this bill.

You’re concerned about having a job? Great, let’s destabilize tax planning for the folks who might offer you one.

Cause we’re Republicans and it’s really us that wants to destroy and upset these things, but you voters who will sell your souls for $20 a week, be happy, solve nothing. See you in 2 months.


49 posted on 12/23/2011 11:49:35 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Gun store gift certificate. An idea whose time has come.)
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To: tobyhill

Myself, I think this was a very poor choice for a battle royal. Stupid, really. I think the GOP should have gone entirely the other way and supported it from the beginning.

You’re concerned about social security? Great, let’s defund it with this bill.

You’re concerned about having a job? Great, let’s destabilize tax planning for the folks who might offer you one.

Cause we’re Republicans and it’s really us that wants to destroy and upset these things, but you voters who will sell your souls for $20 a week, be happy, solve nothing. See you in 2 months.


50 posted on 12/23/2011 11:49:50 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Gun store gift certificate. An idea whose time has come.)
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