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Ron Paul accused US Troops of War Crimes in Desert Storm (1991)
Ron Paul Political Report (Transcribed) | October 15 1991 | Ron Paul

Posted on 12/23/2011 6:47:34 PM PST by mnehring

From The Ron Paul Political Report, October 15 1991

American Values?

During the Iraq war, American troops were instructed to use specially equipped tanks to bulldoze the trenches that held Iraqi soldiers- Not a single American was hurt, so meager was the resistance. Thousands of Iraqis, teenagers coerced into the army by the dictator Hussein, were buried alive, while the unprecedented military tactic was hidden from the public through media censorship. Captain Benny Williams, who Led the charge was awarded the Silver Star for his role. Also hidden: the apparent fact that many of the rag-tag teenage soldiers were trying to surrender as they were entombed.


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1 posted on 12/23/2011 6:47:38 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

boy this is all coming out at once...

kind of like someone was prepared in advance for it


2 posted on 12/23/2011 6:49:46 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: mnehring

What a crock of $hit. The enemy was given the choice, surrender or die. So it is in war.


3 posted on 12/23/2011 6:50:18 PM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: mnehring

He certainly speaks the propaganda of our enemies?


4 posted on 12/23/2011 6:52:20 PM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Mr. K

Actually, this has been floating around since 2007. It is coming to a head now both because he is threatening the Conservative candidates position, is smearing the Conservatives (did you catch his nasty attack on Bachmann?) and it was revealed he lied about not knowing or being the author (CSPAN video from 1995 he admitted writing them).


5 posted on 12/23/2011 6:52:54 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

You want to play at war, you have to pay the piper.

Was it a war crime to seal japanese soldiers in their caves on Iwo Jima??

I don’t think so.


6 posted on 12/23/2011 6:56:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: mnehring

Iowa has no problem screwing us over with ethanol causing all of our foodstuffs to increase at an insane rate. It’s all about the lucre. They’ll probably vote zero, instead of paul and feel better about themselves.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 6:57:07 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Rider on the Rain
The enemy was given the choice, surrender or die. So it is in war.

Absolutely. Our son was there and it's much better the enemy died than not only our son but his brothers in arms.

Ron Paul can KMA!

8 posted on 12/23/2011 6:57:54 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: mnehring

Ron Paul is such scum. I’m ashamed that two of my brothers actually like him. I’m working on them, though...


9 posted on 12/23/2011 7:02:06 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: jazusamo

Ron Paul is a POS and he can GTH.


10 posted on 12/23/2011 7:02:15 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (VOTE 'ECONOMIC FREEDOM'! NO more 0bamao!)
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To: jazusamo; Rider on the Rain; Venturer

I am now and always have been one for making the enemy die for their country.

I’m with Jaz - Racist Ron can KMA.


11 posted on 12/23/2011 7:09:12 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Mr. K

I have reposted this one for years, every time a paultard tries to defend him.

He was all over the talk shows at the time elaborating on this position.
Evidently, we were supposed to jump in with trench knives and fixed bayonettes.


12 posted on 12/23/2011 7:09:29 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mnehring; All

Well, well, well, I’d say that between Ron Paul’s praise for David Duke and this latest load of horse manure about “U.S. War Crimes” in Desert Storm, it’s time for that effin lunatic to withdraw from the campaign and if he had any honor at all, resign his seat in Congress.


13 posted on 12/23/2011 7:09:56 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: mnehring

Burying enemy troops without a shot fired is very efficient.. and clean....


14 posted on 12/23/2011 7:10:38 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Mr. K

Hardly, all of this STUFF has been readily available. It’s time his supporters admit they are supporting an anti-American, anti-Semitic,Racist, U.S. Military hating, insane big mouth.


15 posted on 12/23/2011 7:10:38 PM PST by marty60
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To: mnehring

We know from wars fought in the past what teenagers are capable of doing in battle. Our troops should not be expected to be pc when engaged in war.


16 posted on 12/23/2011 7:11:22 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: mnehring; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..

I always thought that Bush Sr did a great job with that war and I am still convinced he did. He minimized US soldiers life and cost $$$ to this country, while winning a resounding victory. It was a proud time to be Republican and American.

That was part of the reason I believed that his son GWB knew what he was doing, only to be proved wrong, painfully wrong.

Ron Paul?? There is no end of crazy sounding statements in his past. Who cares if Iraq soldiers died in that war? They invaded a neighbor country. Their job was to die or surrender.


17 posted on 12/23/2011 7:12:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: mnehring
the apparent fact that many of the rag-tag teenage soldiers were trying to surrender as they were entombed.

Is that true? If it is, some of you might want to rethink celebrating this. There is something called the Law of Armed Conflict.
18 posted on 12/23/2011 7:13:22 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Mr. K

(boy this is all coming out at once...
kind of like someone was prepared in advance for it)as a long

Paul has a long and documented history of being a nut case and making ignorant comments there must be tons of stuff laying around like this


19 posted on 12/23/2011 7:13:22 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: mnehring

Once again, RuPaul shows that dementia is a terrible disease.

Great find, partner!

+1


20 posted on 12/23/2011 7:14:00 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Mr. K
boy this is all coming out at once... kind of like someone was prepared in advance for it

I'm kind of surprised the media did not wait until Paul got the nomination before coming out with this. I knew this stuff about Paul from previous election cycles. I'm surprised this is news to anyone. The way I look at it, anyone who supports Paul pretty much knows what the guy stands for, and is OK with it. We've always had a blame America first (and every other country in the world is wonderful and as peaceful as warm puppies except for wicked, wicked Israel) contingent in the GOP, and it is this aspect of Paul's candidacy that is attracting a lot of support from liberals, moderates and Democrats.

21 posted on 12/23/2011 7:15:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: TwoSwords

Iowa is raking in those 85 octane ethanol bucks like they were water.I watched and called on farmers in Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska. Even in the biggest cities like Omaha and KC you will meet folks with a gas pump on their land. Ron Paul is the worse we could do.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 7:16:45 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: Old Sarge

Sarge, put me on that list, too.

RuPaul can kiss my neocon Zionist hindquarters.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 7:18:39 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: randomhero97

Never any proof that surrendering Iraqi soldiers were buried alive.

THe bunkers the Iraqi soldiers were in were at least three stories tall (two below the ground), built with typical German efficiency.

They had to have a backdoor to flee thru and you just don’t sit there when you hear American tanks coming to visit you.

Ron Paul is more than an isolationist, he is mentally ill, a Jim Leach on stereoids. He was strange the first time I met him, many decades ago. He’s still strange, but more dangerous to America today than ever before.


24 posted on 12/23/2011 7:20:16 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: TwoSwords

Iowa is raking in those 85 octane ethanol bucks like they were water.I watched and called on farmers in Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska. Even in the biggest cities like Omaha and KC you will meet folks with a gas pump on their land. Ron Paul is the worse we could do.


25 posted on 12/23/2011 7:20:16 PM PST by Lumper20
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To: mnehring; Designer; Bokababe; bamahead; dragnet2

For some kicks, let’s see what some of our Paul supporting FRiends have to say in defense of this commie traitor nonsense.

Ping!


26 posted on 12/23/2011 7:22:02 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: mnehring

Can you provide a link?


27 posted on 12/23/2011 7:23:54 PM PST by Doofer (I'm not at all impressed with the current field of narcissists.)
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To: mnehring
"Not a single American was hurt, so meager was the resistance.">

So this POS thinks it would have been more "fair" if we would have taken causulties? Paul is a wack job, and god help this country if he gets in!

28 posted on 12/23/2011 7:25:50 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Doofer

This appears to be sourced from an old FR thread from 2007:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923481/posts


29 posted on 12/23/2011 7:27:00 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Thanks. Makes complete sense.

I'll add to that how do we know enemy combatants would surrender before we hit them with artillery or air strikes. Simple fact is we don't but that's part of war and part of our ROE. Kill the enemy before he kills us.

I'll admit I like RP but he is way to naive about the world outside of US borders. He needs to shut his trap with the anti-war crap.
30 posted on 12/23/2011 7:27:17 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: sickoflibs
I always thought that Bush Sr did a great job with that war and I am still convinced he did. He minimized US soldiers life and cost $$$ to this country, while winning a resounding victory. It was a proud time to be Republican and American.

The Kurds might disagree with that assessment. Poppy Bush sold their asses down the river after encouraging them to rise up against Saddam, and when we had Saddam on the ropes, the drive to Baghdad was halted, and that sonuvbitch lived to fight another day, and a lot of innocent blood was shed due to the failure of Bush I to fully excise the tumor that was Saddam Hussein. Just like GWB, Poppy Bush left the job undone. In GWB's case, he knocked out one of the three legs of that "Axis of Evil" (i.e., Iraq) and left Iran free to do WTF they wanted, and took North Korea off the list of terrorist supporting nations in October 2008.

Both internationally and domestically, the Bushes have proven themselves to be marginally functional dipsh*ts, and there is little 'conservative' about them, they are the latter day personifications of the Rockefeller Wing of the GOP.
31 posted on 12/23/2011 7:28:53 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: marty60
...all of this STUFF has been readily available. It’s time his supporters admit they are supporting an anti-American, anti-Semitic,Racist, U.S. Military hating, insane big mouth.

OMG, you and I agree on something! I think I need a drink, lol
32 posted on 12/23/2011 7:31:11 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: sickoflibs

HI


33 posted on 12/23/2011 7:32:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
No.

This was not a tactic only used on fancy bunkers.

There were also standard trench lines set up in places, using prefabricated soviet style siding (made of a substance like cinder block) to keep the sand from collapsing. We used this tactic there with the A9 Ace armored bulldozers used to breach the berm as well as tanks.

When they refused to surrender, we kept them buttoned down with Mark 19 automatic grenade launchers from beyond their range and tomb-stoned them. It only took a few of these operations where not one of them had a chance to earn 72 virgins and they quit refusing to surrender.

Had they been able to inflict any casualties on us at all, the die hards would have kept fighting.

34 posted on 12/23/2011 7:32:51 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mkjessup
The Kurds might disagree with that assessment. Poppy Bush sold their asses down the river after encouraging them to rise up against Saddam,

Wrong sect. It was the Shi'ites who were encouraged to rebel, then abandoned.

35 posted on 12/23/2011 7:33:17 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: marty60
Hardly, all of this STUFF has been readily available. It’s time his supporters admit they are supporting an anti-American, anti-Semitic,Racist, U.S. Military hating, insane big mouth.

I don't know if he's anti-American so much as he thinks our foreign policy ought to be the precise opposite of what it is. My impression is that he's got this inverted Alice-in-Wonderland view of the world - he thinks our enemies ought to be our friends, and our friends ought to be our enemies. It is in this respect that his views resemble those of the left.

36 posted on 12/23/2011 7:33:38 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Venturer

“Was it a war crime to seal japanese soldiers in their caves on Iwo Jima?”


I doubt they were trying to surrender.


37 posted on 12/23/2011 7:35:35 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: stephenjohnbanker

HEY SJB! How are ya? Merry Christmas to you and yours, hope this finds you doing ok?

My Best,

MKJ :)


38 posted on 12/23/2011 7:36:01 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: hosepipe

“Burying enemy troops without a shot fired is very efficient.. and clean....”


Not to mention humane. Nothing more humane than making someone slowly suffocate to death.


39 posted on 12/23/2011 7:39:32 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

I have zero doubt they were trying to surrender as they flopped around on fire.

The occaisions Wrong Paul is talking about here are in the midst of shooting, across an entire trench front.

No, an individual troop does not get a battle halted in the midst of fighting, and no again, there is no obligation to offer quarter. Yes they were scared when they died. That is war.


40 posted on 12/23/2011 7:41:19 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: mkjessup

I totally agree. They are the personification of the Rockefeller wing. And from the moment GHWB got in...he got rid of every Reaganite. And when GWB got in he and Rove systematically attacked and undermined all real conservatives in the states and for congress...an ideological war that the msm and rinos were complicit with.


41 posted on 12/23/2011 7:42:01 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: mnehring

“Captain Benny Williams, who Led the charge was awarded the Silver Star for his role.”


A Silver Star for essentially driving a plow and burying people alive? Wow. They have certainly cheaponed the Silver Star.


42 posted on 12/23/2011 7:44:06 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: mkjessup
You may be one of the few who remember our "airlift" to the Kurds, after the war, when they rose up against the Saddam forces, believing we would support them. We left them hanging in the wind to be slaughtered and dying.

Finally Bush relented enough to send over C-130's and drop pallets of food and water on isolated Kurd settlements. I vividly recall seeing tape of these skids crashing to the ground, landing on people's houses, and people, for that matter. It was a freaking disaster of an operation, and an international embarrassment.

This was the time when they began the "no fly zones" incidentally, which later turned out to mean little enough

No, Bush cobbled together a coalition of collective security forces, in the vacuum of the recently collapsed USSR when we stood unchallenged in the world, and that was the easy part. The aftermath was a mess and Bush was nothing to be proud of.

43 posted on 12/23/2011 7:45:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Holy cow, I was worried about you.


44 posted on 12/23/2011 7:46:18 PM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: okie01
Wrong sect. It was the Shi'ites who were encouraged to rebel, then abandoned.

It was Poppy Bush who encouraged Iraqi dissident factions to "take matters into their own hands" and to rise up against Saddam, he didn't point at the Shi'ites and say "only you guys, not the Kurds". By failing to overthrow Saddam in '91, massive numbers of Kurds were killed or forced to flee into Turkey. No matter how you slice it, Bush I allowed Saddam to escape with most of his infamous 'Republican Guard' intact and the years following were a demonstration of what happens when dictators are let off the hook and allowed to rebuild.
45 posted on 12/23/2011 7:48:45 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: randomhero97

Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing in any of the various Hague and Geneva Conventions that requires an offer of surrender to be accepted. It is usually US policy to do so, but that policy can be suspended.


46 posted on 12/23/2011 7:49:27 PM PST by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: mnehring

why is this crucial information about Paul coming out so late in yhr Primary campaign.

If this is true he needs to get out now.


47 posted on 12/23/2011 7:51:38 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You have precisely summed up that entire debacle regarding the Kurds and how Poppy Bush screwed the pooch.


48 posted on 12/23/2011 7:51:44 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: chessplayer
Nothing more humane than making someone slowly suffocate to death.

It's WAR dummy. Perhaps you and Ron Paul would have been happier if it were U.S. troops slowly suffocating to death?
49 posted on 12/23/2011 7:53:27 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: marty60

... and that only counts the things he has put in writing.


50 posted on 12/23/2011 7:55:28 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell
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