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BREAKING: Gingrich 2,000 Ballot Signatures Short?
BearingDrift ^ | December 24, 2011 | Shaun Kennedy

Posted on 12/23/2011 10:20:59 PM PST by Plutarch

UPDATE (12.53am): Sources at RPV are telling me that the 2,000 signatures do not have addresses on them… meaning that they cannot be verified. Newt Gingrich may very well be off the ticket in Virginia, folks…

Rumor has it this evening that one of the petition gatherers was not qualified to circulate petitions… which technically disqualifies those signatures in Virginia.

This would mean that the only two campaigns that qualified in the Virginia primary will be Ron Paul and Mitt Romney.

However… and there’s always a however… former State Senator Marty Williams back in 2007 was accused of having a handler circulate petitions to get him on the ballot that was not legally able to do so. The court ruled that, though the petitioner was not legally entitled to circulate the petitions, the enfranchisement of those who did sign the petitions trumped the lack of qualifications the petition gatherer held.

Ergo, even if this report is right, Gingrich will have the names needed to qualify for the Virginia ballot.

If… these reports are true…


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If true, I am sure Newt has a real good excuse.
1 posted on 12/23/2011 10:21:09 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

The Key words is IF and Rumor...

I sure hope it isn’t true!


2 posted on 12/23/2011 10:24:22 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: Plutarch

GOP: Perry fails to make Va. primary ballot; Gingrich’s fate unclear as signatures verified...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaigns/gop-texas-rick-perry-fails-to-make-virginia-primary-ballot-falls-short-of-10000-signatures/2011/12/23/gIQAF68SEP_story.html


3 posted on 12/23/2011 10:30:30 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: Plutarch

When is/was the deadline and what is the # of signatures required? No one asked me to sign. It’s kind of obvious he’s running but if they exclude him it’s more of a sign the party elites really don’t want him to win—which means I want him even more.

The elites don’t want to win...they want to win the Senate and then run against Obama predecessor in 2016. So many rinos think it’s their’s to take in 2016 they want Romney to get the nomination to guarantee a loss. I’m telling you I’ve heard several of my friends who are pretty much 100% liberal republicans who are really in Romney’s alley say they will never vote for a Mormon! I would as I think Mormons truly do have great family values, but these tards would vote for Obama before a Mormon. The democRATS know this and so do the RINO elites who want to run in 2016.

Santorum is our last hope before going full bore Gingrich, and Santorum hasn’t impressed me one bit. So Gingrich is the default winner. BTW: I had bachman early on but man she irritates the nerves when she speaks. No only is she not inspirational but she is anti-inspirational. Even if she is right on the issues she won’t motivate the people to follow. I liked her on Facebook early on and had to “unlike” her as she was a drag on us a leader.


4 posted on 12/23/2011 10:32:52 PM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Plutarch
2,000 signatures do not have addresses on them

What kind of incompetence is that? You would except a signature from somebody without the rest of the necessary info filled out?
5 posted on 12/23/2011 10:36:25 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Plutarch

We know that Newt didn’t leave the Republican party because Reagan was elected, Romney did do that in the 1980s, and then Romney came out against the Contract with America in the 90s.


6 posted on 12/23/2011 10:37:03 PM PST by ansel12
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To: for-q-clinton

Perry and Newt should have made time, or at least their Virginia handlers, to go on whatever talk show there is in Virginia and let people know they places they could go to sign up.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 10:40:02 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TBBT

They were paying people to collect them. If they were just doing it this week and when the guy came in he hadn’t asked for the addresses, then they were stuck with submitting these. I can imagine a lot of people might be willing to sign but would not be willing to put their address down. It just doesn’t stand to reason that the campaign would have had enough time this week to eliminate those suspect ones before turning in the 11,000 they did, which means it’s unlikely 90% of what they turned in was valid.


8 posted on 12/23/2011 10:41:11 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Plutarch

To me, this seems like a concerted effort by someone to disqualify anyone that would be a serious threat to Mitt. It’s just all too coincidental. I could be wrong but it just seems strange.


9 posted on 12/23/2011 10:43:23 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: GrandmaPatriot
UPDATE (1:31am): ”Soon…” this will be over. Still doesn’t sound good for Newt.
Well Newt fans... Get ready...
10 posted on 12/23/2011 10:46:24 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Jonty30

..whatever talk show there is in Virginia ..”

Good luck with that. Media-wise, Northern VA (the most populous part of the state) is part of DC.


11 posted on 12/23/2011 10:46:59 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Plutarch

I never read about this stories in other elections. Why, all of a sudden, for this election I hear so many candidates having problem collecting signatures and getting on the ballot


12 posted on 12/23/2011 10:52:33 PM PST by 4rcane
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GOP establishment sabotage?


13 posted on 12/23/2011 10:58:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: for-q-clinton

What’s your take on Perry, who looks to come in at least third in the Iowa caucuses?


14 posted on 12/23/2011 10:59:13 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 4rcane

>> I never read about this stories in other elections

Ditto


15 posted on 12/23/2011 10:59:30 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: TBBT
UPDATE (1:41am): Well folks… if you’re truly this interested, stick around for the RPV press release… otherwise, I relinquish control of the live-blogging and say g’night and Merry Christmas Eve! UPDATE (1:39am): Final update from RPV should be coming in the next hour or so. Still not looking good for Newt on the inside.

16 posted on 12/23/2011 11:00:24 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Plutarch

This is really blown out of proportion. Virginia is a super tuesday state. The nominee will likely be decided before then, and even if it isn’t, it’s not like Virginia will be the “decider”.


17 posted on 12/23/2011 11:02:02 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: Plutarch

Isn’t Virginia a squishy, Mittens kind of state anyway?


18 posted on 12/23/2011 11:03:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Plutarch
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19 posted on 12/23/2011 11:05:24 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: All

Newt is OUT.


20 posted on 12/23/2011 11:07:52 PM PST by TexMom7
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To: PAConservative1

That’s Bush’s job...


21 posted on 12/23/2011 11:08:12 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TBBT

I don’t think you Newt people really have to worry that much at all. If these early primaries (except NH) go the way their anticipated to, then it may not make a big difference.

March 6 is Super Tuesday#1. The Anti-Romney candidate is going to clean up this night. You have primaries in Tennessee, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Texas worth nearly 332 delegates that Romney will have a hard time winning much in. Additionally, there are Mar 6 caucuses in Alaska, Idaho, North Dakota, and Wyoming where the Anti-Romney would most likely do well with strong Tea Party organization.

Romney’s saving grace for March 6 has been the Massachusetts and Vermont primaries, where he would be favored. Super Tuesday#1 is worth about 556 Delegates total, and even with a 50% majority win in VA, would only get Romney to around 108, including VT and MA. Add in some proportional delegates of the other state caucuses and primaries and he would only have about 150-160 delgates, while the Anti-Romney would pick up the other 390-400, plus.

After Michigan, the states get troubling for Romney until the month of April comes when the more liberal states start rolling in. By then though, the Anti-Romney should have a good head of steam making it more difficult.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 11:08:25 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: TexMom7

UPDATE (1:52am): NEWT IS OUT. RPV TO UPDATE SHORTLY.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 11:08:45 PM PST by TexMom7
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To: for-q-clinton

Yes, Backmann does not have charisma needed and she is too slow and mechanical in her speech! I think she went along with her husbands idea of becoming a tax attorney weakly; when it was not even her idea or interest...and that made her sort of not a dynamic independent soul!


24 posted on 12/23/2011 11:09:45 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Plutarch

Man-caused Global Warming is the cause!


25 posted on 12/23/2011 11:11:54 PM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: PAConservative1
This is really blown out of proportion. Virginia is a super tuesday state. The nominee will likely be decided before then, and even if it isn’t, it’s not like Virginia will be the “decider”.
Myopia.

You are thinking only numbers. You are not taking into account the media spin and the effects it will have on perception and momentum.

For example... Look at this headline:

A campaign in tatters: Rick Perry won't be on the ballot in Virginia after failing to collect 10,000 signatures

Now what do you think the combined effect is going to be with dozens of headlines like that over the coming days? Wait til the talking heads spew the conventional wisdom - based on the above - for days on end.
26 posted on 12/23/2011 11:12:11 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

As of 1:30 a.m. Saturday the state GOP had not announced whether former House Speaker Newt Gingrich had amassed the required 10,000 signatures of registered voters to appear on the ballot.

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-news/2011/dec/24/1/tdmain01-perry-fails-to-qualify-for-virginias-gop—ar-1565544/

As I post it’s 2:05am, and no further official word.


27 posted on 12/23/2011 11:15:44 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: TBBT

I don’t know, the media doesn’t have much of a story if they take that angle. A Romney/Paul race is an obvious win for Romney. And if the story is, Romney is already the de facto winner, there’s no horse race to bring in ratings. The fact that only 2 candidates made the ballot while so many are still running could lend credence to the idea that it was a tough ballot to get on and maybe VA screwed something up.


28 posted on 12/23/2011 11:16:03 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Plutarch

I’ve never heard of anything like this. What is going on? Sabotage? It’s not like nobody’s ever heard of Newt ... or Perry or Bachmann or Santorum. Newt resides in Virginia for God’s sake. It sounds like it would be the first thing you’d do in every state, collect the necessary signatures. Something fishy is going on here if this is true.


29 posted on 12/23/2011 11:38:35 PM PST by Proudcongal
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To: Proudcongal
Something fishy is going on here if this is true.

It is no secret that Virginia has the most stringent ballot requirements. 10,000 authenticated registered voter signatures, and these throughout the Commonwealth. It discriminates against blowhard, self-aggrandizing candidates with no executive ability. The types that won't be able to mount a sufficiently formidable campaign to defeat Obama.

30 posted on 12/23/2011 11:46:21 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Proudcongal

All the articles have been saying they’re turning them in at the last minute, so it wasn’t the first thing anyone did apparently. I can understand the third-tier campaigns not having the money to spend. For Newt and Perry, I would guess it came down to the campaigns hiring a manager in each state who failed to live up to the job, or just hiring them too late and giving them an impossible task within the timeframe.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/21/news/la-pn-newt-gingrich-diverts-to-virginia-20111221

“Gingrich told reporters in Iowa this week that he expected to “barely” make it on the Virginia slate as well. Late Wednesday, it seemed that he had reached his goal. His campaign tweeted that it had cleared the 10,000 mark.”


31 posted on 12/23/2011 11:51:47 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: JediJones

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/12/22/new-gingrich-focuses-on-virginia-ballot

“Gingrich said Wednesday he had enough ballot signatures, but he wanted to come to Virginia to deliver them personally. Taking no chances, his volunteers asked everyone to sign petitions before entering Gingrich’s rally Wednesday night in Arlington, just across the Potomac River from Washington.”


32 posted on 12/23/2011 11:54:49 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Plutarch

http://bearingdrift.com/2011/12/24/breaking-gingrich-2000-ballot-signatures-short/

UPDATE (2:43am): …and it’s official.

https://twitter.com/#!/VA_GOP/status/150480784145383425

@VA_GOP After verification, RPV has determined that Newt Gingrich did not submit required 10k signatures and has not qualified for the VA primary.

We’re done here, folks.


33 posted on 12/23/2011 11:56:34 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: EDINVA
What a mess, but on the Perry thread, I predicted Gingrich wouldn't qualify either.

VA is looking silly, with just two candidates.

What about write-in votes? Waiting for you to tell me those “won't qualify,” but that's what I would do in leiu of voting for either Romney or Paul.

34 posted on 12/24/2011 12:02:03 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: EDINVA
What a mess, but on the Perry thread, I predicted Gingrich wouldn't qualify either.

VA is looking silly, with just two candidates.

What about write-in votes? Waiting for you to tell me those “won't qualify,” but that's what I would do in lieu of voting for either Romney or Paul.

35 posted on 12/24/2011 12:02:07 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: EDINVA
What a mess, but on the Perry thread, I predicted Gingrich wouldn't qualify either.

VA is looking silly, with just two candidates.

What about write-in votes? Waiting for you to tell me those “won't qualify,” but that's what I would do in lieu of voting for either Romney or Paul.

36 posted on 12/24/2011 12:02:15 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Plutarch

Ron Paul’s fault.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 12:11:05 AM PST by pterional
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To: Plutarch; AuH2ORepublican; Corin Stormhands

Perry too?

Who the hell made the VA ballot?


38 posted on 12/24/2011 12:16:37 AM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Plutarch

I read the same thing that Newt failed to make the ballot. Upon furthing checking, Newt did make the ballot by delivering 11,050 signatures.

Republican candidates Jon Huntsman, U.S. Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania failed to make the ballot.

Mitt Romney turned in 16,000 signatures. U.S. Representative Ron Paul of Texas, had 14,361 signatures, and Texas Governor Rick Perry delivered 11,911.


39 posted on 12/24/2011 12:20:06 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: TexMom7

No, Newt did get on the ballot. The surprise is who failed to make the ballot:

Republican candidates Jon Huntsman, U.S. Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania failed to make the ballot.


40 posted on 12/24/2011 12:21:54 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: onyx

Don’t worry. Newt did make the ballot. See my post #39.


41 posted on 12/24/2011 12:24:11 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: John Valentine

Governor Perry actually got more signatures than Newt. See my post #39 for the numbers.


42 posted on 12/24/2011 12:25:19 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: onyx

Newt did win the necessary signatures: 11,050 signatures. See more numbers and the latest on the Virginia ballot on my post #39.


43 posted on 12/24/2011 12:27:32 AM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: jonrick46

No, I just read that 2000 of Newt’s signatures were disqualified for lack of addresses. Only Romney and Paul qualified, even though Newt and Perry turned in more than 10,000.


44 posted on 12/24/2011 12:30:16 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; jonrick46

Bump to greeneyes’ comments.

We read the same thing: too many of Newt’s signatures are disqualified for lack of addresses.


45 posted on 12/24/2011 12:35:53 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: onyx

Darn. I also read that Virginia doesn’t allow write ins. Do you know if that is true or not?


46 posted on 12/24/2011 12:38:51 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Plutarch

Newt’s been at every debate. If he’s not on your ‘ballot’ you might want to put him there. Because, after he kicks Romney’s ph0ny conservative ass-followed by Obama’s in November- he won’t forget and neither would I.


47 posted on 12/24/2011 12:38:51 AM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: onyx
It's official. Newt out.

After verification, RPV has determined that Newt Gingrich did not submit required 10k signatures and has not qualified for the VA primary.

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/VA_GOP/status/150480784145383425

48 posted on 12/24/2011 12:39:10 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: greeneyes

I don’t know, but I suspect, VA won’t permit write-in votes.

VA will either have to amend or risk looking foolish.


49 posted on 12/24/2011 12:40:24 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Plutarch

Gingrich and Perry both out in VA, leaving VA to the snake and the lunatic.

Good luck to VA with that.

Merry CHRISTmas!


50 posted on 12/24/2011 12:43:15 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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