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Pakistan military hid Osama in Abbottabad: Ex-army chief
msnbc ^ | 12/24/11 | msnbc

Posted on 12/24/2011 6:11:40 AM PST by Flavius

Washington: Pakistani military had harboured Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former president General Pervez Musharraf, former army chief General Ziauddin Butt has said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: binladen; butt; musharraf; news; obl; pakitrash; pervezmusharraf; ziauddinbutt
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1 posted on 12/24/2011 6:11:43 AM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Since before 9-11?

They were certainly prescient.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 6:18:50 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Flavius

3 posted on 12/24/2011 6:33:40 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: yldstrk
Since before 9-11?

The U.S. wanted Osama bin Laden for the Cole attack and the Kobar towers prior to 9-11. We had been warned. We knew their intentions and capabilities.

The shoe search shuffle is unnecessary and ridiculous. 9-11 would not have happened if U.S. airlines had kept the flight deck doors locked.

4 posted on 12/24/2011 6:36:28 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Then what was that attack in the mountains aboutn where OBL was “hiding in a cave”?

Yeah, we know Clintoon should have had him thrown in the hoosegow and the key put down the garbage disposal. Wonder how much he got paid to look the other way?


5 posted on 12/24/2011 6:39:34 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Flavius

Is anyone really surprised by this? The notion that Pakistan is our “ally” is a textbook example of the Big Lie. Meanwhile, in the 10 years since 9/11, we let them dramatically increase their nuclear arsenal. I suspect that threat of a Pakistani-made nuke in an American city was the prime motivation behind this sham in the first place.


6 posted on 12/24/2011 6:50:25 AM PST by rbg81
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To: yldstrk
Osama was clearly living in the Kabul version of the Hyannisport “compound” at the time of 9-11. Sudan had offered to turn him over to the U.S. but Clinton declined, probably because he didn't want all the attendant headaches, including annoying his base among the left-loons and increased terrorist attacks in retaliation. To the Democrats, terrorism was a nuisance, not an existential threat.
7 posted on 12/24/2011 6:52:13 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: rbg81

Huge war coming.


8 posted on 12/24/2011 6:58:38 AM PST by kjo
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To: rbg81
Is anyone really surprised by this? The notion that Pakistan is our “ally” is a textbook example of the Big Lie.

Probably foisted by the State Department as a pretext that they are a buffer against Chinese imperialism in that area. Just my guess.

9 posted on 12/24/2011 7:00:25 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: kjo
Huge war coming.

The war has been put off for ten years, during which time we have wasted time, blood, and treasure. We are much weaker now than we were in September 2001.

I understand why Bush did it, but it was a mistake, anyway.

10 posted on 12/24/2011 7:03:05 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Jim Noble
The war has been put off for ten years, during which time we have wasted time, blood, and treasure. We are much weaker now than we were in September 2001.

Lots of truth in those statements. Thanks, and Merry Christmas.

11 posted on 12/24/2011 7:05:51 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Don Corleone

Personally, I think India is a far better, more reliable bulkward against Chinese imperialism than Pakistan ever would be. And their a pretty good bulkward against Pakistani imperialism too.

We could have nipped Chinese imperialism in the bud years ago by trading with them less—and not knowingly transfering our technology and manufacturing plants to them.

But I guess the genuises at the State Dept never considered THAT.


12 posted on 12/24/2011 7:17:06 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81
We could have nipped Chinese imperialism in the bud years ago by trading with them less—

*************

IIRC....

The Klintoon insisted on more than occasion that Congress grant to China "most favored nation" trading status...

Not to mention that LORAL satellite guidance thingy...

X42 has been on the take all his life...
.... eventually the telling of history will disclose everything....

13 posted on 12/24/2011 7:37:41 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The week our Cruise Missiles missed Bin Laden in Afghanistan, Cohen and Clinton went on MTP and stated that no one knew of our attempt to take out Bin Laden and it was an entire stealth mission. Remember, Pakistan and India were fighting at the time and if we hadn’t warned them of the impending attack, Pakistan would have thought the missiles were from India and a war would have been the consequence. Cohen lied on MTP and several news outlets because they had told Pakistan and subsequently Pakistan had warned Bin Laden. I even called my Senator about this.


14 posted on 12/24/2011 7:52:33 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Jim Noble

Your time line is off badly.

The war began in 1991 and was prosecuted daily by Bill Clinton from air bases in Saudi Arabia.

The invasion in 2003 was an escalation, not a beginning. The escalation was because Saddam did not comply with UN resolutions and violated sanctions.


15 posted on 12/24/2011 7:57:17 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: rbg81
Is anyone really surprised by this? The notion that Pakistan is our “ally” is a textbook example of the Big Lie. Meanwhile, in the 10 years since 9/11, we let them dramatically increase their nuclear arsenal. I suspect that threat of a Pakistani-made nuke in an American city was the prime motivation behind this sham in the first place.

Bush twisted their arm to force them to act like "reluctant allies" with the assurance that they would not be one of our targets. He called them allies in public to allow them to save a little face. Nobody in their right mind would consider them any sort of ally, they were just restrained from taking any sort of overt military action to deter our efforts. I'm sure the Bush Administration was well aware of the more or less passive agression.

Sadly, Obama wasn't smart enough to understand the tense relationship and openly called Pakistan an enemy during his campaign, which only ensured that they would take a more active role in screwing with us, especially the military generals.

16 posted on 12/24/2011 8:29:00 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Flavius

The Butts are a famous military family in Pakistan. I believe they’re related to the Asses that run our military.


17 posted on 12/24/2011 9:07:00 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: bert

If you were to be brutally honest, the “war” actually started well over a thousand years ago...this is just an inevitable continuation, and possibly conclusion, of the Ottoman empire.


18 posted on 12/24/2011 9:19:24 AM PST by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: vetvetdoug

I seriously doubt that the Pakistanis could have done much about cruise missiles or even reliably detected them. There would have been scattered reports of low flying aircraft, followed by a loud BOOM in Kabul. They might suspect, they would surely accuse everyone, but they would have been as in the dark as anyone.


19 posted on 12/24/2011 10:02:19 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: bert

“the war began in 1991”

Depends on which war you mean. I’m talking about the Wahabi-Deobandi war on America whose first engagement was on 9/11/01.

The conflict with Saddam does go back to 1991, and he WAS parading around with a big “kick me” sign after 9/11, but as far as his “defiance of UN resolutions”, that’s a point in his favor as far as I’m concerned. Anybody who swims across the river of sh*t that comes out of Turtle Bay can’t be all bad.

And yes, you can date the war to 1688, or 1453, or even to the Hegira, but wars have to have an axis of attack and the enemy a center of gravity.

In the war that started in 2001, the axis of attack runs through Riyadh and Islamabad, and the enemy center of gravity is Wahabi Islam and its Deobandi cousin in Pakistan.

If Bush had asked Congress for 90 divisions with appropriate air and sea support on 9/16/01 as he should have done, he would have gotten them.


20 posted on 12/24/2011 11:37:42 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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