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Obamaland: American Mules Must Eat Certified Weed-Free Hay
Town Hall ^ | Marita Noon

Posted on 12/24/2011 7:14:40 AM PST by ibytoohi

Mining has played an important role in the development of the western United States—providing jobs and revenues. It should be doing the same now. In Nevada’s mining towns, the unemployment rate is among the lowest in the country: 5-7%—according to Tim Crowley President of the Nevada Mining Association who says there are hundreds of mining jobs available in Nevada. Skills from the hard hit construction industry can be transferred to mining.

General Moly plans to hire 450 people by the end of the year. There are major copper operations in permitting. Companies are looking at mining rare earths and lithium—both of which are essential for cell phones, batteries, computers, and wind turbines and solar panels.

Imagine the jobs and new wealth that could be created if mining was encouraged. Senator Settelmeyer says, “It is hard enough for companies to get through the regulatory process and get a permit. On top of that there is frivolous environmental litigation that lengthens the process—cutting off vital resources and delaying jobs.”

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: epaoutofcontrol; mining; mules; pewenvironmental; roadbuildingban; weedfreehay
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1 posted on 12/24/2011 7:14:45 AM PST by ibytoohi
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To: ibytoohi

My sister has two mules she uses to eat the weeds in her pasture.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 7:19:11 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Obummer- the only U.S. president in history elected to a 4 year campaign.)
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To: ibytoohi

This is all a concerted effort to bankrupt the United States of America ... it’s all planned and so help me, Congress is in on the ‘fix’ ... except maybe the ten or so TEA party Senators and couple dozen TEA party Representatives.

But so help me, I can’t prove a thing, but the Gutless Old Pharts seem to be doing everything they can to undermine 2012 just as they and McCain did to undermine 2008.

I commend Andrew Brietbart for doing his part to expose the guilty of all stripes, party affiliation, and destructive tactics.

Conservatives are just too dern NICE and it’s going to be the destruction of the USofA ... and that’s exactly what the Gramsci-Alinskyites expect.


3 posted on 12/24/2011 7:28:56 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I am Roman Catholic, US Citizen, Patriot, TEA Party Alumni, Oath Keeper, Voter, Auburn Fan!)
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To: ibytoohi

America has tied itself in a Gordian knot of regulation. There is only one way out.


4 posted on 12/24/2011 7:29:29 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: ibytoohi

Mules have been eating weeds for centuries! Must not be too bad because we still have mules.


5 posted on 12/24/2011 7:29:32 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Forced diversity causes dissent!)
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To: ibytoohi

Duh. Everyone knows weed is illegal.


6 posted on 12/24/2011 7:30:52 AM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: ibytoohi; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

The Donkeys on that side of the aisle shouldn’t talk about “too much weed”.

Thanks ibytoohi, and Merry Christmas!


7 posted on 12/24/2011 7:33:25 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: ibytoohi

From the article:

“In Montana’s Finley Basin there are known tungsten deposits. An Australian company wanted to bring revenue and jobs to the state by developing the resource. While the property was successfully drilled and recognized by Union Carbide in the seventies, it is now about 200 yards inside a roadless study area. The Forest Service was willing to offer a conditional drilling permit. Among the conditions were these requirements:

The drill sites must be cleared using hand tools,
The drilling equipment and fuel must be transported to the site by a team of pack mules,
The mules must be fed certified weed-free hay, and
Drill site and trail reclamation must be done using hand tools.

The company gave up.

How can America remain competitive in a global marketplace when we are required to use pick axes and mules? How does this help America’s heavy equipment manufacturers like Caterpillar?

No wonder we are in trouble.

We need these resources. They are salable both in the US and in a global market. The question is will we produce our assets—creating revenues, jobs, and new wealth? Or, will we allow countries, such as China, to have a monopoly and control the price?”

Leftist lunacy.


8 posted on 12/24/2011 7:34:53 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: ibytoohi
This from the article:

In Montana’s Finley Basin there are known tungsten deposits. An Australian company wanted to bring revenue and jobs to the state by developing the resource. While the property was successfully drilled and recognized by Union Carbide in the seventies, it is now about 200 yards inside a roadless study area. The Forest Service was willing to offer a conditional drilling permit. Among the conditions were these requirements:

The drill sites must be cleared using hand tools,

The drilling equipment and fuel must be transported to the site by a team of pack mules,

The mules must be fed certified weed-free hay,

and Drill site and trail reclamation must be done using hand tools.

The company gave up.

This is *almost* unbelievable.

America is hellbent on suicide.

9 posted on 12/24/2011 7:35:54 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: SumProVita

GMTA


10 posted on 12/24/2011 7:37:36 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Exactly! Time for sword sharpening.


11 posted on 12/24/2011 7:39:23 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: rfreedom4u; ibytoohi; bunkerhill7; All

Just by way of encouraging *informed opinion*, “certified weed free hay” has nothing to do with the health or nutrition of the animal eating it.

It’s about preventing invasive weeds in natural and pristine areas.

Horses and mules do not digest all the seeds they eat, they pass right on through the horse quite unharmed, and now, fertilized.

Many natural and pristine areas require that horses (and mules) eat weed-free hay prior to and while riding in those areas, to prevent the spread of noxious weeds.

Weed free feed is readily available and horsemen who frequent backcountry and remote areas are familiar with it.


12 posted on 12/24/2011 7:41:13 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: SumProVita

This stuff, including the EPA lunacy, is being driven by squirrels that have college degrees, but failed critical thinking and have never needed to use common sense. With the nobama POTUS, these wildeyed wackos see no one is there to slow them down, so Balls to the Wall.


13 posted on 12/24/2011 7:45:25 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: ibytoohi
Perhaps they should also of required the miners to wear old fashioned costumes in addition to using mules. Then the liberals out East could come and have their pictures taken with both the miners and the mules... Of course the mules would have to be unionized.
14 posted on 12/24/2011 7:46:44 AM PST by dog breath
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To: HairOfTheDog
----drilled and recognized by Union Carbide in the seventies, it is now about 200 yards inside a roadless study area.--

--must be really "pristine"--

15 posted on 12/24/2011 7:46:51 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Flycatcher

Sorry, but that’s an acronym I’m unfamiliar with ...


16 posted on 12/24/2011 7:47:04 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: ibytoohi

Hildahoof’s personal trainer must have suggested it.


17 posted on 12/24/2011 7:50:02 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: SumProVita
Great Minds Think Alike.

Your post and mine were practically identical, but you beat me by 61 seconds.

So slow down next time!

18 posted on 12/24/2011 7:50:25 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: X-spurt

YEP!

It’s been my experience that the forestry officials, who actually work outside in their areas, have a good bit of common sense and expertise...but are hamstrung by many ridiculous regulations.


19 posted on 12/24/2011 7:50:56 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: rellimpank

No idea about this place or it’s pristine quality, just correcting the mistaken thinking that it was about improving the diet of working mules. It’s not. Nor is it a new requirement for horsemen in many of these areas.

Understanding the issue, is better than ‘not’. :~)


20 posted on 12/24/2011 7:53:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Flycatcher

Ahhhhh....Lol...!

I can’t slow down today....but will have to leave FR because I have tons of family coming in and there are still some things to get done before they arrive.

Merry Christmas!


21 posted on 12/24/2011 7:53:41 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
Some of my family is already here, crashed on the futon.

I'm sneaking some FReepin' as they wake up!

Merry Christmas to you and yours too!

22 posted on 12/24/2011 7:56:12 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Two mules for Sister Sara ?


23 posted on 12/24/2011 7:57:02 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: ibytoohi

JACKASS


24 posted on 12/24/2011 8:03:15 AM PST by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: ibytoohi

The problem is that the seeds of weeds are not broken down as they pass through some animal’s digestive tract. The government is worried about some agressive weed seeds being transported into areas that are free of that certain weed.

The same rules apply to outfitter horses used for transport during hunting season.

I got some manure from a local dairy several years ago and spread it on my garden. I never had a crop of wild amarath (pigweed) come up and am still fighting it today.

My neighbor raised soybeans for years. Then he decided to let grass grow for hay. He got manure to spread on his fields, now those fields are covered with millions of wild onions, which he never had in the past.


25 posted on 12/24/2011 8:04:17 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: HairOfTheDog

Require instead that the hay be grown/harvested within twenty miles of where it is used as feed for horses or mules. That makes any weed seed immaterial because natural forces would have spread the weeds further than twenty miles all ready.


26 posted on 12/24/2011 8:09:09 AM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: ibytoohi


27 posted on 12/24/2011 8:11:44 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bunkerhill7

Sarah?


28 posted on 12/24/2011 8:12:24 AM PST by null and void (Day 1067 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: HairOfTheDog

One word:

Roundup.


29 posted on 12/24/2011 8:12:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ibytoohi

Who can even grow hay that could be “certified weed free” and afford the cost to continually weed or spray chemicals for weeds? What risk would it be to the grower if a few weeds were found? Crazy world we live in that is being designed to destroy us on many, many levels.


30 posted on 12/24/2011 8:13:23 AM PST by kactus
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Do you know why the GOP totem is an elephant?

It’s the only creature with a good enough memory to recall the last time a republican acted like they had any balls.


31 posted on 12/24/2011 8:15:13 AM PST by null and void (Day 1067 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: ibytoohi

Does this mean that all hay must come from big-agri now? FUBO!!!


32 posted on 12/24/2011 8:15:21 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: ibytoohi
I believe that freedom entails responsibility. Land uses are assets. Destroy the use, and you've taken the asset. That means that someone who wants access to mine must either leave the property in a condition that remains useful or pay for the restoration or conversion to some other commensurately economic use. Of course, I'm no fan of public property in the first place, but if we are going to have collectivized land, do you as an "owner" really want public assets destroyed for private profit?

In this case, noxious weeds really can destroy the usefulness of the land for subsequent grazing, hunting, or other recreational or economic use. Why should the taxpayer pay to fix the weed problem these guys leave behind?

If you brought an equine to my land (which are notoriously poor at destroying seed as they chew), you'd have fed it purely native feed for weeks, AND cleaned its coat, or you could chase the seeds they drop for over twenty years. Even at that point, I'd still be taking chances that something got through. So, the operator has a choice: Pay a very expensive person to control the problem for decades or prevent the problem in the first place.

I deal with weeds, a lot: full time 5-7 months a year. On our land, I must distinguish 113 species of exotics from 244 species of natives. I must know them by their juvenile attributes, including grasses, which is cutting edge knowledge in management botany I promise you. Hence, weed control on our land requires the knowledge of a college graduate. On parts of my land, effective weed control requires a visit by a highly trained professional EVERY FOUR DAYS during the peak of the growing season. Not a few weeds have seed that can remain viable for decades.

The real technical question here is the requirement to use animals in the first place. Instead of mules one could bring in heavy equipment that the operator had pressure washed first and build a road. When they're done, retire the road you required to my satisfaction. On my land, it's that or no access to mine. Now, that means the mine is either worth the cost, or it's not. Don't go wrecking my place in perpetuity to chase a pittance. I expect a profit for granting access.

The one benefit of this (probably stupid) policy of requiring clean mules is that it makes the land of people who practice good stewardship in raising feed more valuable. It pays them for the extra work they do to control a problem that (in most cases) they had no role in causing. Around here, government is the primary culprit in the continued spread of noxious weeds.

33 posted on 12/24/2011 8:15:54 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: SumProVita

600 ft? Drill laterally!


34 posted on 12/24/2011 8:16:34 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SumProVita

A few years back here in Colorado they restored a famous cabin which is now in designated Wilderness area. They did all the work with hand tools. Had to call in specialists in hand tools to do the work and packed everything in on Mules. Its easy to do projects like this when you are spending other peoples money.


35 posted on 12/24/2011 8:52:08 AM PST by albionin
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To: bunkerhill7

Is your sister’s name Sara?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065134/


36 posted on 12/24/2011 8:54:27 AM PST by DFG (Fire Obama - Nov 2012)
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To: kactus

My wife is a certified seed inspector. She inspects fields of wheat and barley as well as grass and Canola so they can be certified as being weed free. Yes they do spray the fields for weeds but this year the wind was so bad that new seeds blew into the fields and they were a mess. If she finds weeds mixed in then the farmer has to “rouge” the field or have crews go through and pick the weeds out.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 8:57:25 AM PST by albionin
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To: ibytoohi
alt

38 posted on 12/24/2011 8:59:55 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: SumProVita

What? Hand tools? OK. How do you steer that equipment? With your hands. Isn’t that dozer then a hand tool? You have to have a bridle to steer a mule. Those damn high-tech mules!


39 posted on 12/24/2011 9:02:09 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: albionin

And then is the product affordable?


40 posted on 12/24/2011 9:02:46 AM PST by kactus
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To: ibytoohi

And what Republican candidate is promising “all ahead full” with energy development and mining? Brushing aside vast amounts of federal interference and anti-industrialism lunacy?

Perhaps the best thing would be to return most of the taken state lands back to the states. Federal land grabbing has caused much of the deterioration of American prosperity, and ending it is not enough, it must be reversed.


41 posted on 12/24/2011 9:09:36 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: SumProVita
Leftist lunacy.

These people should be taken out and shot. It's a war on All of Us.

42 posted on 12/24/2011 9:17:38 AM PST by Noumenon ("I tell you, gentlemen, we have a problem on our hands." Col. Nicholson-The Bridge on the River Qwai)
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To: W. W. SMITH
You don't realize that your requirement is far more restrictive and ponderous than just using weed free feed.

It may be a new concept to you guys, but it actually isn't new to the people who have been both feeding animals and riding in the back-country longer than you've been thinking about it. :~)

43 posted on 12/24/2011 9:31:13 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ibytoohi

Mules have gotten along just fine without government intervention, which should be involved more in jobs and boosting the economy!


44 posted on 12/24/2011 9:31:53 AM PST by tob2 (Merry Christmas to all!)
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To: kactus

There is weed-free hay that is free of invasives, or, many packers used condensed hay pellets or cubes, that is cooked enough to be seed-free, and is easier and tidier to pack in.


45 posted on 12/24/2011 9:36:17 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: tob2
Mules have gotten along just fine without government intervention, which should be involved more in jobs and boosting the economy!

Read the thread. - it's not about the mules.

Example to ponder: You know how whenever there's a gun incident we can spot an idiot who doesn't know the first thing about guns immediately by what they say?

This is like that.

46 posted on 12/24/2011 9:39:41 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: ibytoohi

47 posted on 12/24/2011 9:51:54 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: bunkerhill7
My sister has two mules she uses to eat the weeds in her pasture.

There is an old southern saying - Happy as a mule eating briars.

48 posted on 12/24/2011 10:15:42 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: ibytoohi

“We just smiled and waved/Sittin’ on that sack of seeds....Y’all come back now y’hear?”


49 posted on 12/24/2011 10:16:46 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Carry_Okie
Carrie, thanks for your very enlightening post. I was not aware of the intricacies of weed watching and their impact on all crops. Forgive a city boy his ignorance. I agree with conservation. Leave the land better than you found it, if you can. But, as you said, "Instead of mules one could bring in heavy equipment that the operator had pressure washed first and build a road." and

" The one benefit of this (probably stupid) policy of requiring clean mules is that it makes the land of people who practice good stewardship in raising feed more valuable. It pays them for the extra work they do to control a problem that (in most cases) they had no role in causing. Around here, government is the primary culprit in the continued spread of noxious weeds, I'm never for doing damage to the environment, but I thought what the hell...just another example of gov't getting in the way. One more thing, while I'm here. How did we ever survive the 1800's when there were no regulations to hinder us? I'm sure the fields somehow were able to survive the infestations. Appreciate your info...Merry Christmas to you and yours.

50 posted on 12/24/2011 10:17:40 AM PST by ibytoohi
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