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Gingrich, Perry fail to make Va. ballot
cbsnews.com ^ | December 24, 2011 7:25 AM | cbsnews.com

Posted on 12/24/2011 7:43:46 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

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To: mrreaganaut
Ron Paul?


101 posted on 12/24/2011 9:36:53 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mrreaganaut

Does VA have a provision for write in candidates?


102 posted on 12/24/2011 9:38:01 AM PST by Flint
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To: TheBattman; greeneyes

http://www.ashby-law.com/better-things-to-do/

Please read the info at the link.

This is a Virginia problem.

Romney (money) and Paul(rabid supporters) were able to jump through ridiculously difficult hoops.

Romney is going to buy the Presidency.


103 posted on 12/24/2011 9:38:40 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Ranjit; Arrowhead1952; Old Sarge; TheOldLady; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; mkjessup
If not, I will support Romney because he cannot be bad on Economy.

No excuses! There is no reason for any conservative with a working brain to support the fascist pig Romney under any circumstances whatsoever.

104 posted on 12/24/2011 9:40:41 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: TitansAFC; greeneyes
Apparently, the lack of addresses cost both Gingrich and Perry.

National Review

Excerpt

This morning, Gingrich’s campaign released this response:

Richmond, VA – Newt 2012 released the following statement from Campaign Director Michael Krull regarding ballot qualification in Virginia.

“Only a failed system excludes four out of the six major candidates seeking access to the ballot. Voters deserve the right to vote for any top contender, especially leading candidates. We will work with the Republican Party of Virginia to pursue an aggressive write-in campaign to make sure that all the voters of Virginia are able to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

That darn "failed system"!

UPDATE: And… no write-in options, either! Doug Mataconis and Ed Morrissey observe the relevant Virginia law:

At all elections except primary elections it shall be lawful for any voter to vote for any person other than the listed candidates for the office by writing or hand printing the person’s name on the official ballot.

The 2008 Virginia GOP presidential primary counted no write-in votes.


105 posted on 12/24/2011 9:41:28 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: mylife

You can be crude and rude toward Virginia if you want, but the fact remains that it’s a winner-take-all state, and this means Romney is going to take home a basketfull of delegates.

Again, this is just evidence that Romney is going to buy the Presidency.


106 posted on 12/24/2011 9:41:28 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Flint

NO, not in the primary.


107 posted on 12/24/2011 9:42:24 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: rabscuttle385; TheBattman

I would suggest asking him, and looking at his posting history.

He has said flat out is going to vote for Ron Paul, “warts and all,” and is claiming he has never voted for Paul before but will this time.


108 posted on 12/24/2011 9:43:34 AM PST by TitansAFC (Mitt Romney gets less bang for the buck than John-Freaking-Huntsman.)
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To: Jedidah

Seems to me that Va are that are rude, by taking away any choice of candidates from the electorate.


109 posted on 12/24/2011 9:43:51 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385; TitansAFC

I’ve heard Huck slam RP a few times. So I would need to see some proof.


110 posted on 12/24/2011 9:44:15 AM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: deport
It gets even more confusing as I read that Gingrich and Perry are not disqualified yet???And 15K is the magic number.If so was it set cause Romney met it?

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Candidates must submit the signatures of at least 10,000 registered voters, with 400 from each of the 11 Congressional districts.

Romney submitted 16,026 signatures; Paul 14,361; Perry 11,911 and Gingrich 11,050.

The state GOP decided that candidates who submit at least 15,000 signatures of registered voters on valid petitions with at least 600 signatures from each of the 11 districts will be deemed to have met the qualifications.

LINK

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111 posted on 12/24/2011 9:44:35 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Jedidah

Seems to me that Va are the ones that are rude, by taking away any choice of candidates from the electorate


112 posted on 12/24/2011 9:45:13 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: iontheball
It is clear now. This whole exercise is theater. The elites have choreographed the production and long ago picked the winner. They will tell us (the peons) after the show (phony election) is over. As in the past, they believe this exercise will keep us quiet and contented for another four years. Are we convinced and motivated enough yet to call a halt to this continuing repetitive charade and subjugation??

Sadly, you may be right. It really does look like the fix is in for Romney and he will be foisted upon us just like McCain four years ago and the Bushes and Doles before that.

I guess the two Reagan landslides don't count for anything. For ever since, the GOP continues to churn out as their nominee some tired-out, middle-of-the-road, crossing-the-aisle, it's-my-turn establishment warhorse. (Insert your own cliches as you see fit)

Reagan once famously said that he never left the Democratic Party - the Democratic Party left him. Well I am about ready to say that about the GOP. If there is a conservative, viable third-party candidate, that is where my vote is going to go this year.

113 posted on 12/24/2011 9:46:09 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 41 days away from outliving Marty Feldman)
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To: Jedidah

On VA primary day, I’ll go into the booth, observe that the only choices are RuPaul and Myth, and choose neither. If the electronic voting machine won’t let me complete the process without voting for one or the other, then I’ll hit cancel and walk away.


114 posted on 12/24/2011 9:46:09 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: bk1000

“isn’t this how obama got elected? getting others thrown off the ballot?”

Absolutely. Either getting others thrown off the ballot or running 11th-hour smear campaigns against opponents. He couldn’t win in a fair election and he knows that. His only method is emptying the playing field.


115 posted on 12/24/2011 9:46:38 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: onyx

Yes,

EVERYONE in Virginia should now vote for Ron Paul to deny Romney the delegates.


116 posted on 12/24/2011 9:47:46 AM PST by TitansAFC (Mitt Romney gets less bang for the buck than John-Freaking-Huntsman.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

117 posted on 12/24/2011 9:47:54 AM PST by Gideon7
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To: onyx

Mr. Trisham sent this dog dancing video to me, which did cheer me up a bit despite this bad news:

http://m.wimp.com/videos43ll/53f00a3e05edd056ad960547d76c2ec7_dog.flv.hq.mp4


118 posted on 12/24/2011 9:48:55 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TitansAFC
EVERYONE in Virginia should now vote for Ron Paul to deny Romney the delegates.

I will never vote for RuPaul in the primary.

119 posted on 12/24/2011 9:49:02 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: clashfan

“I’m beginning to think a brokered GOP convention will lead to the best outcome.”

I’ve been wondering about this, but must admit that I’m not sure how a brokered convention works.

We can’t be railroaded into a choice between Romney and Paul. It’s unthinkable. Something is wrong here. I’ve always heard/read that Mormons are “decent people”, if nothing else. If Romney is finagling things here, they’ve lost the “decent people” tag, too.


120 posted on 12/24/2011 9:51:45 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: ez; Huck
I’ll tell you what’s pissing me off. Why is the News Media, FReepers and the blogs all saying “Newt and Perry” didn’t make the ballot? The fact is, Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman, Gingrich, and Perry ALL didn’t make the ballot. And I’ll happily tell you why they are only referencing two...because if you focus on all five , then the STANDARD becomes the story instead of Perry and Newt and the quest to make them appear incompetant.

excellent point...that is the first thing I thought when I saw this

121 posted on 12/24/2011 9:52:46 AM PST by wardaddy (Michelle, Sarah, Perry now Newt over Mitt.....that is how I've seen it and it's where we are)
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To: COBOL2Java
On VA primary day, I’ll go into the booth, observe that the only choices are RuPaul and Myth, and choose neither.

If you are unhappy with the listed choices, write in the name of your desired candidate.

122 posted on 12/24/2011 9:52:48 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
If you are unhappy with the listed choices, write in the name of your desired candidate.

No write-ins allowed in VA primaries.

123 posted on 12/24/2011 9:53:33 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

So the only guys on the ballot are Romney and Paul? Sounds like a set-up!


124 posted on 12/24/2011 9:54:48 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe
So the only guys on the ballot are Romney and Paul? Sounds like a set-up!


125 posted on 12/24/2011 9:56:15 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: deport

Compost blogger saying any complaining is whining.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/all-opinions-are-local/post/let-the-whining-over-virginias-ballot-access-rules-begin/2011/03/10/gIQAggCcDP_blog.html


126 posted on 12/24/2011 9:57:23 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: onyx

“Apparently, the lack of addresses cost both Gingrich and Perry. “

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If just addressses, the omitted candidates could be succesful with a Court challenge. Courts generally rule that the law doesn’t “elevate form over substance”. Beyond that, they usually rule in favor of voter participation. If the petition omissions are purely technical (e.g. no addresses)– the omitted candidates should go to Court as a class- and request relief that they be allowed to amend the petitions to include the addresses. (Don’t think one can add names at this point).

All omitted candidates must join- can’t be just one. That will leave Romney and the State GOP to argue against inclusion– not a great argument when likely 70% of the GOP voters favor other candidates.


127 posted on 12/24/2011 9:57:27 AM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: Ranjit
"Is there any other alternate scenario"

1. Advocate for and contribute to the candidate of your choice.

2. When it's your turn to vote, vote for the most conservative candidate that you believe has a chance to win.

3. In the general vote for anybody but Obama.

128 posted on 12/24/2011 9:58:07 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: bk1000

BINGO!

I believe that the Cain controversy originated in the White House also.

The White House was really, really, really, afraid of Cain.


129 posted on 12/24/2011 9:59:31 AM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: mylife

The Virginia electorate is responsible for those they put into office, who make Virginia laws. “Rude” isn’t the word I would choose, rather “ill-conceived.”

One would certainly assume that supporters of Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum would be sufficiently irate to see the need to make major changes, but that is their call.

Unfortunately, Romney’s money has taken advantage of Virginia law, and it may affect us all.


130 posted on 12/24/2011 10:00:41 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: All

Fox news said this morning the Perry campaign is pursuing their legal options in Va.


131 posted on 12/24/2011 10:00:57 AM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: Mariner
When it's your turn to vote, vote for the most conservative candidate that you believe has a chance to win.

So, as a Virginian, which one should I choose?


132 posted on 12/24/2011 10:01:45 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: trisham

LOL. TYVM!


133 posted on 12/24/2011 10:02:47 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: mikrofon

Clever. Kudos.


134 posted on 12/24/2011 10:03:44 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: truthkeeper

Thank you for the most intelligent post on this thread.”

LOL. Why thank you. Thank you very much.


135 posted on 12/24/2011 10:04:28 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: VinL
All omitted candidates must join- can’t be just one. That will leave Romney and the State GOP to argue against inclusion– not a great argument when likely 70% of the GOP voters favor other candidates.

Wonderful! I anticipate both Perry and Gingrich are already looking into their options, despite the statement released by Gingrich's campaign.

136 posted on 12/24/2011 10:06:03 AM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Perry, Gingrich, Huntsman, Bachmann, and Santorum Fail to Make Ballot

Virgina, solid blue State.

Virgina, GOP/RPV verification reports only Mittwitt and Ron makes the cut.

Yeah... OK.

Nothing surprising about that.

Time for GOP to be gutted.

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137 posted on 12/24/2011 10:06:16 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: sheikdetailfeather
Fox news said this morning the Perry campaign is pursuing their legal options in Va.

If the VA GOP capitulates look for Romney to whine like he did at the debates. "Mr. Moderator! Mr. Moderator! Can we please follow the rules?"

138 posted on 12/24/2011 10:07:06 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Jedidah

Yeah, let’s all blame Romney for reading the rules and abiding by them. If Newt, et al. can’t get it together enough to do the same, then we don’t need their pitiful asses pretending to run a country.


139 posted on 12/24/2011 10:07:44 AM PST by Wallop the Cat
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To: COBOL2Java
"So, as a Virginian, which one should I choose? "

Are you a member of the Virginia GOP?

Do you know your Precinct Chairman?

Vote for his opponent at the next party election.

140 posted on 12/24/2011 10:08:00 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Jedidah

This is a Virginia problem.”

Virginia may have the most transperent issue, but the problem of the entrenched politicians protecting themselves through rules making it tough for challengers is a problem for all states and is not confined to the GOP.


141 posted on 12/24/2011 10:08:17 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Guys, we now have a real problem on our hands. This is dead serious, and while people who are advocating votes for Ron Paul to embarrass Mitt Romney may have a good political point, it may be impossible to get some people (myself included) to vote for a candidate who favors gutting national defense — the primary reason for the existence of government!

We have 50 different sets of state rules for a reason — under a capitalist or a federalist system, different companies and different states are free to make their own choices so they can see what works best for them. I have no problem with Virginia's rules; they're designed to winnow out people who can't meet certain minimal standards of organizational ability. Other states have dozens of candidates on the ballot, and that's fine, too.

States can set their own rules and that's not a bad thing. Iowa and New Hampshire are designed to test grassroots support and door-to-door campaigning ability, basically forcing presidential candidates to campaign as if they were running for mayor or city council or county commissioner. That's not a bad thing because it allows underdogs to rise to the top and defeat candidates with tons of money who lack grassroots support. Other states have rules designed to reward those with major amounts of funding to buy television ads and mount aggressive statewide campaigns.

The problem here is not that Romney got people thrown off the ballot — even if he did, all that means is one candidate followed the rules and made sure everybody else did, too. The problem here is we've just had proven to us that neither the current governor of our largest Republican state nor the former Speaker of the House have sufficient organizational ability to get on the ballot of a major state like Virginia. That says bad things about Gingrich who wasn’t being taken seriously until recently, but it says especially bad things about Perry who has been a serious candidate for months now and should have gotten this handled long ago.

Furthermore, the “tea party movement” is supposed to be full of angry and highly motivated people. Gathering 10,000 signatures with a stated minimum from each congressional district would not have been a problem if the conservative base were fired up for a candidate. This shows not only that neither Gingrich nor Perry were sufficiently organized but also that neither candidate had strongly committed tea party supporters pulling out all the stops to work for them.

How in the blue blazes of heaven did we get into this situation? We have a fantastic chance to defeat President Barack Obama and we are throwing it out the window.

142 posted on 12/24/2011 10:09:36 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: COBOL2Java

Yep!


143 posted on 12/24/2011 10:14:01 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: onyx
Well, 2 ways to go, if Perry's challenge doesn't work:

1. Vote for the NOT MITT

2. Write In campaign. If the majority of the voters write in and coalesce around a candidate who gets more votes than Mitt and Paul, a legal challenge might be able to argue disenfranchisement of the majority trumps GOP rules.

Both options suck.

144 posted on 12/24/2011 10:14:04 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: iontheball

Theater? Blaming the process is not going to get a candidate anywhere. I was hoping for a long process. That is how Obama got so many e-mail addresses and volunteers. Organization!!! This is how you win in presidential politics. You must outwork the other side. Romney has been running for 6 years. It takes money volunteers and organization. I find it incomprehensible you can’t get 400 signatures in each congressional district and 10K total. How can a candidate run a smart disciplined campaign without an organization? The rules are not secret. Newt and Perry are flailing. It is sad to see.


145 posted on 12/24/2011 10:17:29 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: Jedidah

So if the courts are running around saying voter id creates disenfranchisement, what does this do?


146 posted on 12/24/2011 10:17:35 AM PST by teevolt
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To: darrellmaurina

Post of the year.


147 posted on 12/24/2011 10:17:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t champion anyone. And I’m sure I’m to the right of you.


148 posted on 12/24/2011 10:18:38 AM PST by Huck (No.)
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To: TitansAFC

You’re a liar. I’ve never voted for Ron Paul.


149 posted on 12/24/2011 10:19:29 AM PST by Huck (No.)
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To: wardaddy; ez

Because Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman are vanity candidates with no shot at winning, or even placing.


150 posted on 12/24/2011 10:20:40 AM PST by Huck (No.)
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