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Three U.S. citizens killed in Mexico attacks
Yahoo News ^ | 12/24/2011 | Yahoo News

Posted on 12/24/2011 10:08:45 AM PST by Dallas59

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Three U.S. citizens were among those killed when gunmen attacked buses in the eastern Mexican state of Veracruz, said a U.S. State Department official said on Saturday.

The three were traveling for the holidays when they and several other passengers on the bus were killed by gunmen on Thursday, according to the U.S. official and local media.

The incident was one of several that day in which gunmen attacked busses in the eastern state, a major oil export hub that has lately become a flashpoint for drug gang violence.

On Friday, the tortured bodies of 10 people were found in northern Veracruz, local media reported, as attacks in the region intensify between the Zetas gang and Gulf drug cartels.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: attack; borderwars; drugcartels; mexico; mexicodrugcartels; mexicowod; murder; murderedinmexico; uscitizensshot
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Well...at least it's not on the border./s
1 posted on 12/24/2011 10:08:53 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

Just some broken eggs, folks. Nothing to get concerned about.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 10:10:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Dallas59

I can understand Mexico’s allure pre-cartels. But now? Why take the risk? Is any area really safe in that forsaken country?


3 posted on 12/24/2011 10:14:53 AM PST by meatloaf (I've had it with recycling politicians in any way shape or form. Toingss 'em out!)
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To: Dallas59

Mexico=Iraq South.


4 posted on 12/24/2011 10:15:08 AM PST by donozark (Ron Paul! You magnificent bastard! I read your book! (cook book that is))
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To: Dallas59

I’m guessing this story is not going to appear on the mexicotaxiproject.com.


5 posted on 12/24/2011 10:16:26 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Dallas59

How about a vacation in Mexico everyone?


6 posted on 12/24/2011 10:17:46 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Dallas59

Travel to Mexico, what a smart idea. /sarcasm


7 posted on 12/24/2011 10:20:18 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: bmwcyle

I’m not sure how dangerous Mexico is, anyway, compared to places like East St. Louis, IL. I remember some Mexican American non-coms on the Army, who were nicest, most family oriented people (aside from Mormons, possibly) that I had ever known in my life.


8 posted on 12/24/2011 10:25:15 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: RightGeek

How about a vacation in Mexico everyone?


Just had a nice one. And another planned for 2012.

It turns out that the drug violence is confined to the drug corridors.

Killings in Chicago don’t make Omaha a risky place to visit.


9 posted on 12/24/2011 10:27:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Dallas59
Why not travel to Somalia?

How stupid are/were these people?

~Really stupid~

10 posted on 12/24/2011 10:29:24 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Beelzebubba
It turns out that the drug violence is confined to the drug corridors. Somehow I don't find that too reassuring. Is there a map of the free-fire zones?
11 posted on 12/24/2011 10:32:04 AM PST by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Dallas59

Americans died because of illegal drug use in the US? American illegal drug users - too stupid, lazy and chicken to change their reality, so they take illegal drugs to try and escape their reality for a few minutes and thereby fund some of the most heinous criminals the world has ever known.


12 posted on 12/24/2011 10:33:39 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I can carry a gun in East St. Louis.


13 posted on 12/24/2011 10:38:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: blueunicorn6

Spot on analysis, Blueunicorn6.


14 posted on 12/24/2011 10:39:14 AM PST by Ax
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Confusing isn’t it when I ask myself, “Who produced Mexico?”


15 posted on 12/24/2011 10:40:26 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: bmwcyle

I avoid East St. Louis. But that’s easy for me.


16 posted on 12/24/2011 10:40:37 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: meatloaf
I can understand Mexico’s allure pre-cartels. But now? Why take the risk?

If it is the story I'm thinking of (and not another killing by the Mexican bandits) they were legals going back home to visit family for the holidays.

Due to corruption and violence at the border, many Legals are taking the bus these days rather than trying to drive. The days of going home with just a $50 bribe to the border guards is apparently over.

17 posted on 12/24/2011 10:41:16 AM PST by PAR35
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To: RightGeek
It turns out that the drug violence is confined to the drug corridors.

Somehow I don't find that too reassuring. Is there a map of the free-fire zones?

The popular coastal towns are generally safe. Avoid the areas that are in the major north-south corridors. Note how Puerto Vallarta is off the corridor, but Mazatlan is on it. Cabo and Cancun would also appear safe.


18 posted on 12/24/2011 10:41:27 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: meatloaf

“But now? Why take the risk?”

Many illegals holding false citizanship return home during the Holidays to aquire new identies so as to avoid income and fica taxes. They file exempt and when the feds come looking for them that one can’t be found.


19 posted on 12/24/2011 10:45:11 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Dallas59

Were the guns provided by the US government?


20 posted on 12/24/2011 10:45:22 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: meatloaf
Is any area really safe in that forsaken country?

My brother-in-law is from Honduras and used to vacation there with my sister and their kids. I've gone with them a few times but they now refuse to go back there again because it's become so dangerous.

While drugs are on the rise there, kidnappings and protection rackets are rampant.......

21 posted on 12/24/2011 10:47:43 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (All I want for Christmas is a nickle bag of Myrrh and a pipe.........)
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To: RightGeek
Beelzebubba ~ It turns out that the drug violence is confined to the drug corridors.

Zatso?

RightGeek ~ Somehow I don't find that too reassuring. Is there a map of the free-fire zones?

I have a cousin who spent most of her life in Latin America, she was running a charcoal plant in semi-rural Mexico, off of the beaten path, away from drug corridors.

She ended up having to leave rather quickly for "health" reasons, and mourns the loss of her house, all of her worldly possessions that wouldn't fit in a couple suitcases, and most of all her dogs.

She doesn't feel it is safe enough for her to mount a rescue operation for her dogs.

She's not one to panic, she spent years living in Columbia...

22 posted on 12/24/2011 10:50:13 AM PST by null and void (Day 1067 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I’m not sure how dangerous Mexico is, anyway, compared to places like East St. Louis, IL.

Sadly, it's turned into a cesspool. I also remember when border towns like Tijuana and Juarez were cheap, good times for American travelers. Veracruz has been off-limits for a while now.

I guess I'll give kudos to the drug lords for keeping the violence, more or less, south of the border. I can still travel the streets of Chula Vista or Imperial Beach safely. Hopefully, it stays that way, for a while anyways.

If you want to know what the drug violence in Mexico looks like, google "chainsaw execution" and don't say I didn't warn you. And the next time you put a bong to your lips or snort a line up your nose, think of those two guys. They paid a pretty high price.

...Still, probably safer than E. St. Louis though...

23 posted on 12/24/2011 10:52:22 AM PST by Drew68
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To: meatloaf
I can understand Mexico’s allure pre-cartels. But now? Why take the risk?

I grew up in Southern California. Mexico never held any allure for me, but I do know that lots of folks used to like to shop and play there.

Even as a kid, though, we understood that Mexico wasn't the safest of places. But in today's world, you have to wonder what sort of fool would risk their life for anything across that border.

24 posted on 12/24/2011 10:53:08 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Dallas59

More of the story from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/12/24/3616608/3-cleburne-texas-residents-killed.html#my-headlines-default


25 posted on 12/24/2011 10:53:44 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: MestaMachine

BW ping (more at post #25)


26 posted on 12/24/2011 10:57:54 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: afnamvet; TheOldLady; BuckeyeTexan; Glenn; Cheerio; fuzzthatwuz; Cap Huff; aragorn; HOYA97; ...

27 posted on 12/24/2011 10:59:24 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Fresh Wind
Were the guns provided by the US government?

My question too. Complicity in murder flows all the way to the 1/2 white house.

28 posted on 12/24/2011 11:00:01 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Dallas59

What they hey? We got the Mexican and U.S. governments and tourist folks telling us how safe Mexico is. We should believe them until the evidence . . . uhm . . .proves . . . er . . . otherwise. Never mind.


29 posted on 12/24/2011 11:14:14 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: RightGeek
Is there a map of the free-fire zones?

I'm pretty certain those maps are on the table right next to the cartel mortar pits.
30 posted on 12/24/2011 11:20:54 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: Beelzebubba

Mexico is a large country? Who knew?


31 posted on 12/24/2011 11:47:25 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Fresh Wind

Exactly! That was my question. Did Obama provide the guns for these murders also?


32 posted on 12/24/2011 11:52:21 AM PST by abclily
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To: Beelzebubba
Of all the places to vacation....Still some going to Mexico and can't figure out why things get brutally ugly...These folks return in coffins, just in time for Christmas!

I personally wouldn't go down into Mexico if ya took me in a complimentary, fully stocked Lear jet.

33 posted on 12/24/2011 12:04:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: blueunicorn6
Americans died because of illegal drug use in the US? American illegal drug users - too stupid, lazy and chicken to change their reality, so they take illegal drugs to try and escape their reality for a few minutes and thereby fund some of the most heinous criminals the world has ever known.

Nice. Do you blame the policies of the US for 9/11, too? Or are you just advocating for legalization of drugs so that the money dries up for the cartels?
34 posted on 12/24/2011 12:05:19 PM PST by fr_freak
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Americans died because of illegal drug use in the US

He's not smart enough to know, the cartels ship worldwide, and now control about 40 percent of the Mexican government...Not to mention some of the big cruise lines too. How many U.S. politicians are on their payroll?

I'd bet a whole lot of them.

35 posted on 12/24/2011 12:17:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You are failing to follow the discussion of how some areas are different from others. Imagine that!


36 posted on 12/24/2011 1:29:07 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Oh yeah, I forgot about Mexico’s great safe vacation spots, that you go to. lol..

We used to go salt water fishing in Mexico years ago, when it was safe and fun. You couldn’t force me at gun point to cross that border today.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 1:55:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Dallas59

If you have any liberal friends or relatives, an excellent Winter Solstice present might be a prepaid bus trip vacation to sunny and warm (sometimes really hot) Meheco. Rates are sooooo looooow now. You can save by buying only a one way bus ticket, the return can be by cheaper freight. If that is beyond your budget, Food Stamp President or Slow Joe bobble head Chia pets are an excellent choice.


38 posted on 12/24/2011 2:07:56 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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mark


39 posted on 12/24/2011 3:49:32 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: meatloaf

Once there was an America that would have sent troop sout of the border over this sort of thing. A real TR might have done so—and not the limp -wristed Metro-sexual we have as president now. Mexico is alot closer and more of a danger to us than Iran or Iraq.


40 posted on 12/24/2011 5:11:12 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: blueunicorn6
Oh, please. The only reason these Americans died is prohibition.

People have been using drugs(including alcohol) for thousands of years. Animals consuming substances to change their reality is a part of nature. Not only in humans, but countless other organisms. Outlawing it is like trying to outlaw sex.

Outlawing something that grows in the ground for pennies only ensures this unstoppable market is supplied by violent criminals selling dangerous, dirty products (drug dealers are today's violent bootleggers hawking bathtub gin). Legalizing ensures clean, safe products sold by legitimate nonviolent businesses. Look at the liquor stores and distilleries of today versus bootleggers. Also look at the clean, nonviolent drugstores of the 20th century that sold cocaine and heroin over the counter.

Yes, some people were addicted but nobody had to steal to support their addiction or use dirty drugs. In 1900, a middle-class housewife could have afforded a cocaine addiction and openly discussed it with her doctor as a medical condition. Today, that addiction would cost tens of thousands every month. As a result, an addict will steal $100,000 in property, fence it for $10,000 and pay a violent dealer for a dirty, unknown drug that could harm them for life. They don't ask for help with their illness because they would be looked upon as criminals or scum.

And the majority of true addicts are not “too chicken” to change their reality. They have psychological issues that make reality a terrible place. Often as a result of child abuse or trauma. Even though prohibition has made them more expensive than gold, drugs are still cheaper than paying $150+ per hour for real therapy. I have experience working with substance abuse patients and still have friends that are certified abuse counselors. Putting these sick people in prison does nothing but make their reality worse and only ensures they will start using within hours of release. It's easy to look at an addict and call him/her scum or chicken that should be caged. It's a bit harder to actually talk to them and find they were abandoned and used by their family and "friends" all their life- discarded like trash into the street after getting old enough to refuse being sold to "dad's" friends (a true story that still haunts me).

41 posted on 12/25/2011 1:44:11 AM PST by varyouga
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To: dragnet2

If there were a crime wave in Toronto, would you avoid Vancouver?


42 posted on 12/25/2011 7:28:53 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba
We used to go salt water fishing in Mexico years ago, when it was safe and fun. You couldn’t force me at gun point to cross that border today.

If there were a crime wave in Toronto, would you avoid Vancouver?

You compare Canada to the endless brutal violence down in Mexico?

Amazing...

Would ya like to see some real violent pics from our great neighbors down in Mexico?

There are thousands of pics, hundreds that show headless people hanging from freeway overpasses, dumped into the streets, fields, etc.

Lemme know if you'd like to see some real graphic ones. Of course it might be too graphic for the easily offended here.

Below is where a whole bunch of dead people were just recently dumped out of trucks, onto the roadway in broad daylight...Mexican style.


43 posted on 12/25/2011 11:38:00 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bmwcyle
I can carry a gun in East St. Louis.

I have too.

Problem is you can't do it legally.

44 posted on 12/25/2011 11:46:13 AM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: dragnet2

You’re missing the whole point about the differences among Mexican regions.


45 posted on 12/25/2011 12:43:48 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Beelzebubba

No, I’m not missing anything.

Enjoy your vacation in the gringo hotels down in ol’ Mehico. As long as the cartels keeping getting their cut, ya should be safe. Best of luck amigo!


46 posted on 12/25/2011 1:09:18 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
You can save by buying only a one way bus ticket, the return can be by cheaper freight

Good ideer. Like the folks in the story, you might not even need a return ticket!

47 posted on 12/25/2011 1:30:05 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: RightGeek
Is there a map of the free-fire zones?

You'll find it in your local library stacked right next to the free-fire zone map of Hades.

48 posted on 12/25/2011 1:37:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Dallas59; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows; dfwgator; JoeProBono
I hope you all took notice of the Meheeco promoter's screen handle!

Still, if you are persuaded and do travel, then when things go haywire, like they did for these folks, you'll at least get to meet Elvis.

49 posted on 12/25/2011 2:04:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: dragnet2

I smell a whiff of bigotry in your persistent hostility.

And you still ignore the point that there are places where the drug crime has not intruded.


50 posted on 12/25/2011 3:36:02 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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