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Democrats believe payroll tax victory bolsters chances of taking House
The Hill ^ | 12/24/2011 | Alexander Bolton

Posted on 12/24/2011 12:51:06 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Democrats believe their chances of recapturing the House have improved significantly after what was widely seen as a GOP meltdown in the payroll tax debate.

Democrats believe the messy fight has helped narrow the advantage Republicans have traditionally held on tax policy.

Democrats have long espoused populist tax policy, with mixed results in recent years. Democratic strategists think that is about to change as high unemployment rates have given new traction to their proposals, which Republicans dismiss as class warfare.

Tad Devine, a Democratic strategist, said he believes Democrats can recapture the House in part because of growing public resentment over wealth disparity. “The issue is really starting to be clarified for middle-class voters. It’s emerging as the biggest issue of the campaign, the fundamental unfairness of society where the wealthy are getting very wealthy and the middle class are falling behind,” Devine said.

He said House Republicans hurt themselves by taking a stand against a short-term extension of the payroll tax cut only to fold and pass it a few days later.

“The Republicans have shot themselves in both feet,” Devine said.

Minutes after the Senate passed a two-month extension of the payroll tax holiday Friday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) signaled Democrats would press their advantage by bringing the millionaires’ surtax back to the table.

Rodell Mollineau, former senior aide to Reid and president of American Bridge 21stCentury, a Democratic super PAC, said Democrats feel emboldened by the tax fight.

“Holding firm on any big issue gives you momentum heading into the next big issue. The stars are aligned that people are ready to hear this message,” Mollineau said.

Senate Democrats stood their ground by refusing to negotiate with House Republicans, daring House Speaker John Boehner to kill a Senate-passed short-term extension of the payroll tax holiday.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: comgress; democrats; house; payrolltax

1 posted on 12/24/2011 12:51:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Taxes? I thought those $$$$ were contributions - to the lock box.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 12:52:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

Dream On!


3 posted on 12/24/2011 12:53:06 PM PST by HChampagne
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To: SeekAndFind

Democrats have been smoking too much whacky weed again.


4 posted on 12/24/2011 12:55:09 PM PST by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner and McConnell should be FIRED!!!

These two clowns have mismanaged things in Congress since the time they took over. And YES, their incompetence has seriously compromised our ability to keep control of the House and take over the Senate.

If Obama succeeds in blaming these stooges for HIS mistakes - something he is engineering right now, he will be re-elected, the Dems will take over Congress and America will cease to exist as it was formerly known.

In private industry, Boehner and McConnell would be writing out a new resume and looking for new jobs.

THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!


5 posted on 12/24/2011 12:56:22 PM PST by ZULU (DRILL EVERYWHERE HERE AND CUT OFF ALL SAUDI AID!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since unemployment insurance and take home pay won’t be disrupted it will all be forgotten soon.


6 posted on 12/24/2011 12:57:07 PM PST by AU72
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To: SeekAndFind
I suppose so, if going from 0.001% chance to 0.002% chance is "significant".

Meanwhile, New Jersey's redistricting plan agreed to on Friday looks like the state goes to a split 6-6 D-R congressional delegation. And New Jersey is about as indigo-blue as you can get.

7 posted on 12/24/2011 12:58:47 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I certainly don’t believe that Boner and McConnel’s utter failure and magnificent cowardice have bolstered their support in any way.

I know, for me personally, come election day I’m going to get out of bed at 4:30 am to stand in line to elect as many R’s as I can, because oh boy we really, really need more of these guy otherwise the democrats might get their way every single time...


8 posted on 12/24/2011 1:00:32 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Dims have only one slim prayer of taking the House and it requires two very unlikely chance happenings.

The first is that the republicans nominate a complete idiot to run for president.

The second is that Obama looses in the primary and is replaced by a charismatic figure (not Hilary).

9 posted on 12/24/2011 1:02:28 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because oit is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SeekAndFind
They would not get any benefit from this if the Republicans would push the result of the two month extension would be a lower paycheck for the remaining ten months.
10 posted on 12/24/2011 1:07:17 PM PST by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind
McConnell set conservatives up and Boehner played the idiot. Going into the 2012 election, we need new Congressional leadership and without it, the Republicrat party will be aligned against the Tea Party and other conservatives.
11 posted on 12/24/2011 1:09:06 PM PST by Truth29
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To: SeekAndFind

I really don’t see the big deal here.

This is a manufactured “win” for the Democrats by the media.

That said, Mitch McConnell is an idiot. There are enough Republicans in the Senate to block the Democrats from this kind of games playing

All this does is kick the can down the road for 2 months so Democrats can continue play games to melt down our country


12 posted on 12/24/2011 1:09:11 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: SeekAndFind

Minutes after the Senate passed a two-month extension of the payroll tax holiday Friday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) signaled Democrats would press their advantage by bringing the millionaires’ surtax back to the table.

This is what they really want


13 posted on 12/24/2011 1:13:28 PM PST by molson209
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To: Pontiac
The first is that the republicans nominate a complete idiot to run for president.

I doubt that even that would be enough!

The second is that Obama looses in the primary and is replaced by a charismatic figure (not Hilary).

Unless they figure out how to clone FDR or JFK before the election, or change the Constitution to allow Bill Clinton to run again, that's not going to happen, either.

14 posted on 12/24/2011 1:14:28 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind

They run your car into the ditch made you pay for the tow truck driver but they tipped him for you. Yep, that payroll tax decrease is going to make all the difference.


15 posted on 12/24/2011 1:16:03 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind
Arrogance fosters delirium
16 posted on 12/24/2011 1:17:42 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: molson209

Minutes after the Senate passed a two-month extension of the payroll tax holiday Friday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) signaled Democrats would press their advantage by bringing the millionaires’ surtax back to the table.

This is what they really want and the reason they only pass things for weeks or months at a time ,so they can keep pounding on it


17 posted on 12/24/2011 1:18:27 PM PST by molson209
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To: SeekAndFind

For anyone who thinks anything that happens and any poll numbers that show eleven months ahead of the election have ANYTHING to do with the election, please contact me. I have a great deal of vacation land on Europa I’m willing to let go, darned cheap...just $2.00 per acre, and I own several million acres.


18 posted on 12/24/2011 1:18:31 PM PST by stevem
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To: Sooth2222
Like I said two very unlikely chance happenings
19 posted on 12/24/2011 1:19:16 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because oit is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Sooth2222
Unless they figure out how to clone FDR or JFK before the election, or change the Constitution to allow Bill Clinton to run again, that's not going to happen, either.

Have you seen Clinton lately; he is not that charismatic anymore.

He looks like he has AIDS or cancer. Death warmed over.

20 posted on 12/24/2011 1:22:50 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because oit is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: rdcbn
It's long past the time when 100% of FICA should have been transferred to the employer side of the ledger.

The Democrats, who'd love to tax millionaires, are actually afraid to do that. They'd lose the very minor benefit they get from arguments about cutting it a bit, then extending it, then extending it a little bit, and then wrapping it up in zigzag paper and smoking it, or using it as a suppository, or whatever.

Now, for a follow on to this, barring some accident of fate that makes that idea look really good to the Democrats, Republicans should up the ante by REQUIRING that all FICA paid by employers be considered a deductible business expenses if and only if the employee on whose behalf that payment was made has been certified by E-Verify to be in the country lawfully.

Some "millionaires" will end up paying higher taxes on their profits ~ but some illegal aliens will abruptly discover that their going rate is too high for the market.

An American might well be able to get a job in America.

21 posted on 12/24/2011 1:27:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pontiac
Have you seen Clinton lately; he is not that charismatic anymore.

Except for Zero (who may be a complete doofus but sounds good if you don't pay attention to the words) Bubba Bill would be about their only shot.

The Dems are whistling past the graveyard if they think a $40 tax cut or $40 increase is going to make any difference at all when nobody is listening. Have you been near a shopping mall lately? I haven't seen crowds like that since Bush was president!

22 posted on 12/24/2011 1:38:50 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats believe payroll tax victory bolsters chances of taking House

Can't be, that would make democrats politically motivated at the cost of what is best for the country.

......

23 posted on 12/24/2011 1:39:23 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SeekAndFind

Social Security withholding from a paycheck is not a TAX, nor a CONTRIBUTION. Rather the money is a LOAN. In that the money will be returned to you some day when you begin collecting Social Security. Unfortunately, the loan is interest free.


24 posted on 12/24/2011 1:48:37 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: T. Jefferson
Lunacy. Democrats handed the republicans a perfect campaign ad. Democrats support raiding the social security trust fund, denying senior citizens their pension. Obamacare raided seniors health care benefits,by stripping $500 billion from Medicare. and instituting death panels. And Obama denied seniors 2 years of automatic SS check cost of living increases, slashing all seniors income by 5%. The most anti-senior citizen cpresident in history.

He cut their income, their health care, and their pension.

25 posted on 12/24/2011 1:57:41 PM PST by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: Paladin2
They are codified as insurance premiums... paid into a fund... so that the government can pay it back to us in retirement. It is OUR money... not a tax... not that the repubics will ever say it... the dims shite on the Constitution... the republicans nod in approval.

LLS

26 posted on 12/24/2011 2:00:21 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: SeekAndFind

The dems are sob full of crap, their eyes are brown.


27 posted on 12/24/2011 2:07:41 PM PST by Pit1 (Omama is the chief gun-runner.)
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To: HChampagne

haha 40 bucks for two months does not buy a lot of votes.


28 posted on 12/24/2011 2:08:49 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: Sooth2222
Bill Richardson might make a run at it in 2016 but he does have a few skeletons in the closet. But if Obama was to drop dead I think he could have a shot. He does have some personality as opposed to the average Democrat.

But other than Hilary I don’t think any other Democrat would waste their time running against Obama with his huge war chest.

29 posted on 12/24/2011 2:33:42 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because oit is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: muawiyah
if and only if the employee on whose behalf that payment was made has been certified by E-Verify to be in the country lawfully.

I like it!

30 posted on 12/24/2011 2:42:23 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How are the self employed to handle this? I can see the whole year holiday, simply pay 2% less on next years taxes. For 2 months it seems to me it’s going to be a mess.


31 posted on 12/24/2011 2:47:17 PM PST by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Later, let's say right after the August recess we have another go at it by extending the non-deductibility to ALL salary or hourly wage or even a "bonus" paid to an employee who isn't cleared by E-verify.

That way Democrats get another meaningful tax increase on some people who are "millionaires".

Some American might get a job out of this.

I have some future permutations on this that'll curl David Axelrod's hair!

32 posted on 12/24/2011 2:52:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Anything that increases the use of E-verify and pressures illegals to leave sounds good to me.


33 posted on 12/24/2011 2:54:23 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Next fall, who exactly is going too even remember any of this? Dream on, ‘rats.


34 posted on 12/24/2011 3:07:51 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: AU72

In fact, if republicans are smart they will point out to the vanishing middle class, that it was democrats in the senate, who insisted on reducing the extension to two months, and obama forced the house to give up extending for a year. Two can play this game—and use the 40 bucks constantly vs. the year.

When it comes up again in February— up the ante Republicans— push for a 5 year extension with a choice between getting the money (no withholding)or putting it into their own private account, like a CASH-401K. That’ll fix the dems for good, if they say “nooooooo”.


35 posted on 12/24/2011 3:12:11 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SeekAndFind

They may be able to stave off a veto proof House.


36 posted on 12/24/2011 4:13:19 PM PST by depressed in 06 ( Where is the 1984 Apple Super Bowl ad when we need it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait I thought healthcare,finreg, doddfrank etc would of did this per the media, plz


37 posted on 12/24/2011 4:13:35 PM PST by italianquaker ( Mr Obama inherited an AAA rating and made it AA, thnx Resident Zero)
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To: eclecticEel
"Next fall, who exactly is going too even remember any of this?"

You're right. The only people paying attention to this are the informed voters and Democrats certainly aren't that.

38 posted on 12/24/2011 4:35:34 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: ZULU

Boehner and McC are incompetents set on failure, but they have the support that counts: Republican members of the House and Senate, who expect to increase their ranks by 2013, but will they? The Republicans are offering only that they are not-Obama, but are they?


39 posted on 12/24/2011 4:44:45 PM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats believe payroll tax victory bolsters chances of taking House

That is one of the best indicators of how gullible and naive the Democrats believe the liberals are. They already know the progressives and other socialist will vote for them regardless. This is evidence of how ignorant and unable to think they believe the hoi polloi are.

40 posted on 12/24/2011 5:30:52 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Paladin2

>> Taxes? I thought those $$$$ were contributions - to the lock box.

That’s right, and the GOP should be making that a point.


41 posted on 12/24/2011 6:45:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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