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Cameron Pledges Total Support to Falklands Islanders
Arutz Sheva ^ | 25/12/11 | Amiel Ungar

Posted on 12/24/2011 5:02:58 PM PST by Eleutheria5

War scares are running high in Great Britain, while the British Foreign Ministry is trying to cool down tensions with Argentina. At the same time Britain is attempting to demonstrate that it has no intention of abandoning the Falkland Islands claimed by Argentina.

Prime Minister David Cameron, in his broadcast on Saturday, pledged to the Falklanders “We will always maintain our commitment to you on any question of sovereignty …Your right to self-determination is the cornerstone of our policy. We will never negotiate on the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands unless you, the Falkland Islanders, so wish. No democracy could ever do otherwise.”

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: again; cameron; empire; falklands; monroedoctrine; nuclear; plantations; war
Iran is going nuclear. The whole Middle East is on the verge of multiple wars, both civil and across borders. And in the middle of all that, the UK wants to go beat up Argentina over some dinky islands?
1 posted on 12/24/2011 5:03:02 PM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Do you know anything about the Falkland Islands?


2 posted on 12/24/2011 5:04:51 PM PST by american_ranger
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To: american_ranger

I remember the first Falklands war. It embarrassed the military junta in power at the time into stepping down.


3 posted on 12/24/2011 5:06:12 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5
The Falkland Islands have been the site of recent discoveries of massive seabottom oil deposits. As a result Argentina is re-asserting their historic but bogus claims on the territorial waters and the islands themselves. Might have something to do with it.
4 posted on 12/24/2011 5:06:38 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Oh, great. We’ll also have Briton lefties chanting “no blood for oil”.


5 posted on 12/24/2011 5:08:54 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Those islands have NEVER belonged to Argentina, and the islanders are British citizens. They have made, through their own self-determination, that they want to be a part of Great Britain.

Argentina wants to seize the islands just because...they might be able to. And the desires of the Falkland’s inhabitants?

Typical South Americans, the Argentines don’t give a damn.

The United States has more international right to take back our former colony of Cuba, than Argentina has to invade and seize the independent Falkland Islands.


6 posted on 12/24/2011 5:11:20 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Eleutheria5

I suppose Argentina suspects the Brits do not have the resources to defend the Falklands.

I also suspect they are right and Britain will toss in the towel. We will see.


7 posted on 12/24/2011 5:13:19 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SatinDoll

Well, let the good times roll.


8 posted on 12/24/2011 5:13:29 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I would feel a lot more secure if BHO2 wasn’t our President.

R.Reagan backed Margaret Thatcher when the Falkland War erupted. Now? Obama is a Marxist-Leninist Muslim, and he isn’t likely to back Great Britain.


9 posted on 12/24/2011 5:17:28 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Eleutheria5

Not again. Didn't the Argentines get enough back in the 80's?

10 posted on 12/24/2011 5:21:27 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I remember being surprised that the Argentinians put up a better fight than I had thought they would but it still was not close.

The one thing I do not understand and this seems to happen all the time, is the Argentinians sent a bunch of recent draftees to hold the islands against British professionals. Again they put up a bit of a fight but also again not really close.


11 posted on 12/24/2011 5:23:49 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Venturer

Yep. Words of support are one thing, the power to back them up is another. I don’t know where the Argentine Air Force is today but the Royal Navy is a shadow of what it was during the 1982 war.


12 posted on 12/24/2011 5:24:38 PM PST by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: Eleutheria5

A couple of submarines and Argentinas ships become reefs.. Their Air Force are merely targets.. Their Army cannot swim to the Falklands.. Falklands Oil will pay for any War..


13 posted on 12/24/2011 5:24:51 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: SatinDoll

“Those islands have NEVER belonged to Argentina, and the islanders are British citizens. They have made, through their own self-determination, that they want to be a part of Great Britain.

Argentina wants to seize the islands just because...they might be able to. And the desires of the Falkland’s inhabitants?

Typical South Americans, the Argentines don’t give a damn.

The United States has more international right to take back our former colony of Cuba, than Argentina has to invade and seize the independent Falkland Islands.”

Roger That!


14 posted on 12/24/2011 5:27:07 PM PST by mongo141
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To: rdl6989

Cattle rustlers were hung. It wasn’t because the crime was so bad. It was because the cattle were hard to keep an eye on. What am I suggesting? Britan should threaten the big one if the Argentines try it again. Since the rest of Latin America doesn’t think much of the Brits y should the Brits cae about Latin American opinion.


15 posted on 12/24/2011 5:30:30 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Agreed.


16 posted on 12/24/2011 5:33:07 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Well, this time, there is an RAF unit on the islands and they are equipped with Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft.


17 posted on 12/24/2011 5:34:39 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: SatinDoll

Precisely. The Royal Navy is but a yacht club and Hussein The Magnificent Muslim, won’t get our USN involved.

This summer in the southern hemisphere may be the last best chance for Argentina to occupy and steal the Falkland’s oil resources.


18 posted on 12/24/2011 5:40:44 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Jacquerie

The RN is smaller than it was in 1982, but they still have attack submarines.


19 posted on 12/24/2011 5:43:34 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jacquerie

Also, the Royal Navy does maintian a guided missile destroyer in the area and there is a garrion of 500 light infantry on the islands.


20 posted on 12/24/2011 5:47:35 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Eleutheria5

When the japs bombed Pearl Harbor Hawaii wasn’t a state. With a war in Europe there was so much else to worry about.

/s


21 posted on 12/24/2011 5:58:36 PM PST by zipper (espions sur les occupants)
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To: Army Air Corps
The RN is smaller than it was in 1982, but they still have attack submarines.

And attack they will.


Just ask the survivors of the General Belgrano.
22 posted on 12/24/2011 6:06:49 PM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Iran is going nuclear. The whole Middle East is on the verge of multiple wars, both civil and across borders. And in the middle of all that, the UK wants to go beat up Argentina over some dinky islands?
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You are completely ignorant if you are suggesting the UK should hand over the islands.


23 posted on 12/24/2011 6:08:38 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Army Air Corps
Well, this time, there is an RAF unit on the islands and they are equipped with Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft.


With only 4 Eurofighters on the island let's hope they get lots of notice of an attack.

Also at this time the UK has disbanded all of it's Harrier squadrons and has no aircraft carriers.

24 posted on 12/24/2011 6:09:05 PM PST by az_gila
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I doubt the big one is necessary. Sink every ship in the area and that will be enough.


25 posted on 12/24/2011 6:21:01 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Eleutheria5

If Argentina was half as smart as Mexico they would have
invaded the Falklands with illegal aliens. Let their culture
rot the host like they did in California. Eventually they
would be begging Argentina to take the Falklands off their
hands like we may soon be doing with California.


26 posted on 12/24/2011 6:51:35 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Venturer

The Brit fleet may be down, but I bet there is a sub off of Argentina’s shore loaded with Torps and cruise missiles. Also, the Brit’s are a Nuclear nation if they want to go to that level.


27 posted on 12/24/2011 6:58:18 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: hinckley buzzard
The Argies are doing just fine concerning oil.....

http://www.ogj.com/articles/2011/11/repsol-sees-927-million-boe-in-vaca-muerta-so-far.html

28 posted on 12/24/2011 7:05:54 PM PST by stboz
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To: az_gila

The RN does maintain a guided missile destroyer in the area and the MOD maintains Rapid Reaction Force just for the Falklands.


29 posted on 12/24/2011 7:19:43 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: hosepipe
You're pretty close to the mark here. The Argentine air force hasn't been upgraded in a long time and from an article I read there is reasonable doubt that less than 50 aircraft are even combat capable. I think their navy is down to five serviceable frigates and they have no chance against one of the RN subs. This is more for public consumption in Argentina than anything else.
30 posted on 12/24/2011 7:39:54 PM PST by aegiscg47
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To: Eleutheria5

Now if he would only take Britain’s sovereignty back from the unelected undemocratic EU.


31 posted on 12/24/2011 7:47:38 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: SatinDoll; All

“The United States has more international right to take back our former colony of Cuba, than Argentina has to invade and seize the independent Falkland Islands.”
We have more of a claim to the Falklands than we have to Cuba...

In the 1840’s we sent a flotilla of ships down to Argentina to halt acts of piracy waged on US ships which would sail from the east coast and head round the cape through the Drake passage going to California.

The action was initiated because pleas to stop this were being ignored by the then Viceroy of Argentina. Pirates based in Puerto Soledad (todays Port Stanley) on the Malvinas (Falkland)Islands. The flotilla sailed to Puerto Soledad. Marines and sailors were disembarked, captured the pirates and evacuated the town and dumped everybody off in Argentina. Then burned the abandoned town to the ground .

Through that action the US had the opportunity to claim the islands but for some reason chose not to do so. After that the islands lay abandoned for some time when the Brits came who originally had a whaleing station there came back and claimed it.


32 posted on 12/24/2011 7:49:53 PM PST by mosesdapoet (Moses ..A nick name I received as a kid for warning another -It's a sin to tell a lie")
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To: SatinDoll

YOU LOT have more of a claim to the islands than the Argentines.


33 posted on 12/24/2011 8:08:03 PM PST by the scotsman (I)
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To: Jacquerie
Precisely. The Royal Navy is but a yacht club and Hussein The Magnificent Muslim, won’t get our USN involved.

He might get the USN involved, as a blocking force to deter any effort by the UK to support the forces already present in the Falklands...

the infowarrior

34 posted on 12/24/2011 9:13:16 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Venturer

I also suspect they are right and Britain will toss in the towel. We will see.

No, they will never do that. The Brits get their back up over such matters. The Winston Churchill in them comes out. They will send Prince Harry and Prince William in their helicopters over to the Falklands to beat the crap out of Argentina, so they better watch out. Those two Princes are tough, lol!


35 posted on 12/24/2011 9:31:10 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

agree

The brits aren’t quite europeanized yet. They still have pride, a sense of freedom, and some nationalism left. Somewhat.


36 posted on 12/24/2011 10:05:24 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

They already went to war over it once. Is there any way to keep the islands free without having yet another war? When one keeps having the same wars every twenty years or thirty years, something is wrong.

Same holds true with Israel invading Lebanon twice, the US fighting Iraq twice, and the whole world fighting Germany twice. Wars are meant to resolve an issue vital enough to kill and die over, so it were infinitely better if they were resolved absolutely and finally the first time around.


37 posted on 12/25/2011 2:09:53 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: yarddog

Just like in Monty Python. “It’s only a flesh wound.” It’s just plain annoying. Argentina should just lie down and stop already.


38 posted on 12/25/2011 2:13:15 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“Wars are meant to resolve an issue vital enough to kill and die over, so it were infinitely better if they were resolved absolutely and finally the first time around.”

That’s assuming the belligerents are not attempting to fight a cheap, limited war. In Britain’s case, its ability to wage war has diminished considerably since 1945, or 1982 for that matter. Weakness only invites attack.....


39 posted on 12/25/2011 7:03:04 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: GenXteacher

“He that desires peace must prepare for war” is a double entendre. Being prepared for war is the only way to assure peace, and if you wish peace through abandoning the ability to make war, in the end you will need to fight a war.


40 posted on 12/25/2011 7:30:26 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: All

Britain’s claim to the Falklands dates back to the 1600s, but the French where there first.

Argentina occupied the islands from December 1832 to January 1833 while it was unoccupied. The islands were promptly retaken by the British and this short occupation is the basis for Argentina’s claim.


41 posted on 12/25/2011 3:54:12 PM PST by scriblett (Fox News Kennedy lies Huff Post)
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To: az_gila

It’ll be more than 4 in less time that it would take an Argentinean vessel loaded with troops to sail the 300 miles to the islands.

Argentina scrapped its amphibious assault ship years ago.

It still flies the same aircraft it had in 1982 (minus the ones in pieces at the bottom of the ocean)

The UK in contrast has upgraded or replaced virtually every single weapon system used in 1982 with the exception of one class of guided missile destroyers (and they are being replaced by state of the art air defence destroyers)

The Argentines lack the ability to defend themselves from the cruise missiles that would arrive at their own shores much less take the Falklands.


42 posted on 12/26/2011 3:14:12 AM PST by Stolly
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To: Stolly
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The UK in contrast has upgraded or replaced virtually every single weapon system used in 1982 with the exception of one class of guided missile destroyers (and they are being replaced by state of the art air defence destroyers)

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The Argentines lack the ability to defend themselves from the cruise missiles that would arrive at their own shores much less take the Falklands.


Maybe, but remember that the UK started running out of cruise missiles during the recent Libya kinetic whatever-you-call-it.

They would need Obummer to approve a resupply...

All of those older Type 42 destroyers you mention are now replaced by only three Type 45 destroyers - planned for 12 and then cut down to 6 total. When I talked to crew members of HMS Manchester (open to the public in Liverpool last Feb.)they didn't know where they would be assigned to next. Their next trip was to Southampton for decommissioning.

43 posted on 12/26/2011 4:32:39 AM PST by az_gila
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