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Israeli Jets, Sub 'Strike in Sudan'
Arutz Sheva ^ | 25/12/11 | Gil Ronen

Posted on 12/25/2011 9:23:21 AM PST by Eleutheria5

Israeli fighter jets, helicopters and possibly a submarine were involved in multiple attacks on targets in Sudan last week, according to local news outlets. The reports say that Israeli jets hit targets in the eastern part of the African country, near its border with Egypt, last Thursday. They hit six Land Cruiser jeeps and killed four people. An earlier strike took place last Sunday and reportedly involved Israeli helicopters. A truck was targeted. Some reports say an Israeli submarine was also spotted at the same time.

However, the Sudanese army spokesman, Col. Al-Sawarmi Haled Sa'ad, said that the military's air defense array gave no indication that the country's airspace had been breached. Arabic news outlet Dar al-Hayyat on Sunday reported “conflicting information” coming out of Sudan regarding alleged Israeli air strikes. It said that the governor of Sudan’s Red Sea District recently received notification from several citizens in the region that the IAF had raided smuggler convoys, in Abu Thabaq in the disputed Hala’ib triangle.

Also according to al-Rakoba, on December 15, Israeli Apache helicopters landed on an island east of the Red Sea port of Mohammed Qol. In early 2009, an Israeli raid on a 23-truck convoy carrying weapons to Hamas terrorists in Gaza was reported.

Israel does not comment on reports of overseas actions such as these.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2009; airstrikes; egypt; gaza; iaf; israelisub; israelisubmarine; mohammedqol; redsea; strike; submarine; sudan
Whatever that was, it's just the beginning, I think.
1 posted on 12/25/2011 9:23:24 AM PST by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

:)

MERRY CHRISTMAS! The Isrealis’ learing that it’s better to “give” than to “receive.”


2 posted on 12/25/2011 9:30:32 AM PST by Grunthor (Unrepentant breeder.)
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To: Grunthor

My wild guess is that some libyan arms smugglers received Hanukkah presents.


3 posted on 12/25/2011 9:32:03 AM PST by omega4179 (We can't wait!............. for the end of an error.....1-20-13)
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To: Eleutheria5

Media says, authorities deny. What’s the deal? Is Sudan unaware or covering up? Is the media attempting to create an incident, inciting hatred against Israel?


4 posted on 12/25/2011 9:40:45 AM PST by Moose Burger
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5 posted on 12/25/2011 9:44:22 AM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: Eleutheria5
Israeli fighter jets, helicopters and possibly a submarine were involved in multiple attacks on targets in Sudan last week, according to local news outlets.

I'll be danged, Israel celebrating Christmas in fashion. : D

Col. Al-Sawarmi Haled Sa'ad, said that the military's air defense array gave no indication that the country's airspace had been breached.

LOL!

A few well deserved back pats for stealth being given back home I'm sure.

6 posted on 12/25/2011 9:44:27 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Eleutheria5

Would this qualify as the gift that keeps on giving?


7 posted on 12/25/2011 9:45:42 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Eleutheria5

What naval activity has gone on lately in Sudan’s ports? Any Iranian flagged ships delivering “cargo” to their friends? Perhaps something was delivered that the Israelis feel shouldn’t be in Sudan and headed towards the Egyptian border which is a route to Israel.


8 posted on 12/25/2011 9:50:01 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Forced diversity causes dissent!)
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To: Eleutheria5
I wonder whose air space Israeli used to attack Sudan. I am suspicious of the validity of this report.


9 posted on 12/25/2011 10:10:04 AM PST by kabar
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To: Eleutheria5

They’re practicing for the big one, Iran.


10 posted on 12/25/2011 10:12:39 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Moose Burger

Curiously, Iran and the Sudan seem to be mum on what we believe were military strikes.

Rather than confront a country you know will kick your ass, these nations may have decided it was smarter to act as if nothing really happened.

That sure seems to be the likely case at any rate.


11 posted on 12/25/2011 10:19:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: Eleutheria5
However, the Sudanese army spokesman, Col. Al-Sawarmi Haled Sa'ad, said that the military's air defense array gave no indication that the country's airspace had been breached.

Stealth technology at work. Good for the IAF for a well planned and carried out mission according to this account. Just taking out the trash as usual.

12 posted on 12/25/2011 10:27:04 AM PST by Ron H. (Social conservatism is the only way!)
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To: kabar

If the group that was struck was an Iranian influenced group, would the Saudis look the other way?

That or the IAF was invisible to any country they flew over.


13 posted on 12/25/2011 10:28:39 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

Possibly. There is no way Egypt would go along with such a strike given the current climate. The Saudis hate Iran and will do anything to thwart their desire for regional hegemony.


14 posted on 12/25/2011 10:36:07 AM PST by kabar
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To: Eleutheria5

Note to smugglers: Do not **** with the Israelis. They take it personally.


15 posted on 12/25/2011 10:56:20 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: kabar

They could have gone straight over the Red Sea via Eilat and violated nobody’s air space.


16 posted on 12/25/2011 11:14:02 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: kabar

That’s what I was wondering.

They don’t exactly have the ability to sneak that stuff without the muzzies tipping off the bad guys.


17 posted on 12/25/2011 11:44:34 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: kabar
Is it an airspace violation if they are never detected? :-)

Go Israel!!

18 posted on 12/25/2011 12:06:38 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Eleutheria5
May the good Lord bless them for this. It's about time for payback. Serious payback. Israel just doesn't have enough land and jobs for all the Jewish refugees let alon Sudanese.
19 posted on 12/25/2011 12:44:57 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, "...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Eleutheria5

6 Land Cruisers hit...only 4 killed.


20 posted on 12/25/2011 12:52:21 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Everyone was already at the Ron Paul picnic.


21 posted on 12/25/2011 1:04:43 PM PST by GWConservative (Fire Obama! Or extradite him to Mexico with Holder.)
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To: Eleutheria5; kabar; VanDeKoik
Oddly enough, an Israeli official publicly called on the Iranians to strike Osirak after the beginning of hostilities between Iraq and Iran. During the Osirak raid, called Operation Opera, they pretended to be Saudis over Jordan and Jordanians over Saudi Arabia, using each nation's arab dialects, call signs, and flying formations.

However, it's doubtful the Sudanese have anything sophisticated in the area of air defense/detection requiring such subterfuge. Egypt is currently occupied with internal issues. I wouldn't be surprised if their post-Mubarak command structure has had an effect on reaction/competency.

I find the timing and possible use of a submarine interesting. Israel has been conducting air exercises with other Mediterranean nations. Iran is in the midst of a naval excercise.

Whatever the reason for the strike, I'm sure it was important and legitimate. It's also a pretty good opportunity for a warm up act if the head east next time.

22 posted on 12/25/2011 1:39:58 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Eleutheria5

how did the Israelis get a sub into the air over Sudan?


23 posted on 12/25/2011 1:54:00 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: DoughtyOne
...these nations may have decided it was smarter to act as if nothing really happened.

Like Syria after Sept. 6, 2007

24 posted on 12/25/2011 1:59:29 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: RitchieAprile
how did the Israelis get a sub into the air over Sudan?

Fourth-generation stealth technology.

Cheers!

...oh, and Merry Christmas.

25 posted on 12/25/2011 2:39:47 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Curiously, Iran and the Sudan seem to be mum on what we believe were military strikes.

Rather than confront a country you know will kick your ass, these nations may have decided it was smarter to act as if nothing really happened.

Sort of like how Syria never uttered a peep after Israel destroyed their nuclear site a couple of years ago.

Mark

26 posted on 12/25/2011 2:49:31 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: RitchieAprile

Ancient Hebrew secret.


27 posted on 12/25/2011 3:33:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: kabar
Actually, they could fly along the Gulf of Aqaba out over the Red Sea. Although Saudi Arabia or Egypt might claim that air space. Don't know.


28 posted on 12/25/2011 4:35:53 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Eleutheria5
A truck was targeted. Some reports say an Israeli submarine was also spotted at the same time.

Just out of curiousity, how would a typical Sudanese spotter know if a sub he spotted was Israeli or someone else's?

29 posted on 12/25/2011 9:13:49 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SJackson
A Israeli Submarine was spotted... B"H What? Did they have an Israeli flag hissed when they emerged?
30 posted on 12/25/2011 11:50:26 PM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Eleutheria5
Israel does not comment on reports of overseas actions such as these.

Alleged overseas actions.
Anyway, good for Israel. I wouldn't comment to the stinking press, either.

32 posted on 12/26/2011 1:55:21 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Shadow44
>>They’re practicing for the big one, Iran<<

There is so much behind the veil the public does not see. Full scale bombing raids have got to be imminent.

The recent explosions in Iran were precursors. Actions like this one in Sudan appears to be Israels work to limit arms to the muzzies that will eventually attack when bombing raids over Iran begin.

I just hope the U.S. ponies up to help our friends in Israel.

33 posted on 12/26/2011 6:14:01 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: kabar

Yes, though it is in range they did have to use tankers.


34 posted on 12/26/2011 7:33:00 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: kabar
"I wonder whose air space Israeli used to attack Sudan. I am suspicious of the validity of this report. "

The same route El Al uses when it flies to Nairobi.

IDF jets routinely fly training missions over the Red Sea, accessed via the Gulf of Aqaba. Military aircraft flying that route would not raise any suspicions, because they happen all the time....and that's one of the reasons for Israel repeatedly flying those missions.

35 posted on 12/26/2011 8:15:43 AM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: VanDeKoik
"They don’t exactly have the ability to sneak that stuff without the muzzies tipping off the bad guys."

That assumes military aircraft flying down Aqaba to the Red Sea is an unusual event. It's a common event, for obvious reasons.

36 posted on 12/26/2011 9:06:00 AM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: Eleutheria5
However, the Sudanese army spokesman, Col. Al-Sawarmi Haled Sa'ad, said that the military's air defense array gave no indication that the country's airspace had been breached.

Air defense? Their air defense consists of a couple of goat herders sitting on rooftops and trying not to fall asleep.

37 posted on 12/26/2011 9:26:02 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

But they swore on the Koran that they didn’t fall asleep, and didn’t see anything.


38 posted on 12/26/2011 1:16:28 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

15 posted on Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:56:20 PM by Slings and Arrows: “Note to smugglers: Do not **** with the Israelis. They take it personally.”

Go Israel! Thank you for taking care of the job we won’t do.


39 posted on 12/26/2011 1:55:59 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Eleutheria5

If this part of Sudan was part of what was known as Ethiopia many many years ago, as some suggest, it could be a precursor to Ezek 38. But that probably won’t occur until the false peace.


40 posted on 12/26/2011 7:24:52 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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Looks like a bit o keyword abuse in a spot on the thread ... fwiw
41 posted on 12/26/2011 7:28:25 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Eleutheria5

Israel should develop a Trans Africa alliance with South Sudan, including support for military training and equipment. This will allow Israel and South Sudan to contain North Sudan from south and north. It will also motivate South Sudan to export its oil to Israel. Israel and South Sudan have common interests.


42 posted on 12/26/2011 9:01:56 PM PST by Wiz
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To: edpc

Unless Israel claims it so, how would anyone actually know Israel used a sub or stealth planes in a “strike”?


43 posted on 12/27/2011 2:30:56 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

Probably the same way we “know” they have nukes.
They don’t really acknowledge it, but a lot of things make it fairly evident. There’s always a source and operational analysis that leads to certain conclusions. Likely that’ll occur at some point.


44 posted on 12/27/2011 3:04:58 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Wiz

Israel and South Sudan, Copts in Egypt, Christians in Lebanon and Bethlehem, Kurds, perhaps in the Syria after Assad goes also Alawites, India, Armenia...we have a great many potential allies we’d best start cultivating. We could even form our own organization to counter the UN or work within its framework: The Allliance of Near and Far Eastern Minorities (ANFEM). There. We’ve got an acronym that’s easy to pronounce and remember. Time to get cracking.


45 posted on 12/27/2011 4:32:16 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: Ron H.
Stealth technology at work.

More likely it was a combination of low level tactics, IAF ECM and incompetent Sudanese RADAR operators. Stealth technology does not make one invisible. Stealth technology only reduces the range at which one is detected.

46 posted on 12/27/2011 6:50:24 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: DB
Unless Israel claims it so, how would anyone actually know Israel used a sub or stealth planes in a “strike”?

Start with the assumption that it was Israel, regardless. Then ask, how would someone know it was a sub?

The Red Sea is pretty heavily trafficked. Launching one or more sub-based land-attack missiles stands a good chance to be noticed.

In fact, it would be in Israel's best interest to launch from a position where it WOULD be noticed. Because it would be a clear demonstration of their capability while still retaining some plausible deniability.
47 posted on 12/27/2011 7:29:22 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: F15Eagle

Watched The Four feathers yesterday. My, how times have changed in the Sudan.


48 posted on 12/27/2011 7:33:47 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Shadow44

“They’re practicing for the big one, Iran.”

That was my first thought: practice makes perfect!


49 posted on 12/27/2011 7:54:13 AM PST by DrC
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To: piasa

“Just out of curiousity, how would a typical Sudanese spotter know if a sub he spotted was Israeli or someone else’s?”

The sub line was fed to the reporter via an Israeli source. It was meant for the Iranians.


50 posted on 12/29/2011 10:31:25 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Control the media, you control its citizens.)
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