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Arsenic in your juice: How much is too much? Federal limits donít exist.
Consumer Reports Magazine ^ | January 2012 | NA

Posted on 12/25/2011 8:02:27 PM PST by neverdem

Arsenic has long been recognized as a poison and a contaminant in drinking water, but now concerns are growing about arsenic in foods, especially in fruit juices that are a mainstay for children.

Controversy over arsenic in apple juice made headlines as the school year began when Mehmet Oz, M.D., host of “The Dr. Oz Show,” told viewers that tests he’d commissioned found 10 of three dozen apple-juice samples with total arsenic levels exceeding 10 parts per billion (ppb). There’s no federal arsenic threshold for juice or most foods, though the limit for bottled and public water is 10 ppb. The Food and Drug Administration, trying to reassure consumers about the safety of apple juice, claimed that most arsenic in juices and other foods is of the organic type that is “essentially harmless.”

But an investigation by Consumer Reports shows otherwise. Our study, including tests of apple and grape juice (download a PDF of our complete test results), a scientific analysis of federal health data, a consumer poll, and interviews with doctors and other experts, finds the following:

Roughly 10 percent of our juice samples, from five brands, had total arsenic levels that exceeded federal drinking-water standards. Most of that arsenic was inorganic arsenic, a known carcinogen. One in four samples had lead levels higher than the FDA’s bottled-water limit of 5 ppb. As with arsenic, no federal limit exists for lead in juice. Apple and grape juice constitute a significant source of dietary exposure to arsenic, according to our analysis of federal health data from 2003 through 2008. Children drink a lot...

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The form of arsenic in the examples above is inorganic arsenic. It’s a carcinogen known to cause bladder, lung, and skin cancer in people and to increase risks of cardiovascular disease, immunodeficiencies, and type 2 diabetes...

(Excerpt) Read more at consumerreports.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: applejuice; arsenic; grapejuice; health; lead; type2diabetes
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1 posted on 12/25/2011 8:02:31 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

sounds like the beginning of another “Alar” scare. When the truth came out it was that a person would have to drink gallons of Alar a day for decades to get cancer, not the few parts per billion that stuck to the apple skins. Yes I know that a teaspoon or less of arsnic can kill you, but here we are talking about 10 parts per billion — levels that need the most advanced equipment to measure.


2 posted on 12/25/2011 8:08:14 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: neverdem
In 2000, Clinton approved a regulatory change that reduced acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water from 50 ppb down to 10 ppb. George Bush came into office and suspended the new regulation. He put the level back to 50 ppb where it had been for years.

The media went ballistic. Bush was poisoning our children! He didn't care! People would die!!!

And here we have a faceless, bloodless, federal bureaucracy ignoring arsenic in juice. Who's fault is that? Oh, I dunno, but they will probably blame the Tea Party.

3 posted on 12/25/2011 8:13:23 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: neverdem

The food in this country is killing us. The hormones, additives, non-natural ingredients created in labs. All horrible and people eat it like candy.


4 posted on 12/25/2011 8:14:46 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; texas booster; ...
FReepmail me if you want on or off the diabetes ping list.

Type 2s, get tested for inorganic arsenic if you have any doubts about your water supply, and if you're an apple or grape juice junky, it's time to quit.

Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah & Happy New Year!

5 posted on 12/25/2011 8:16:31 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: GreyFriar

HoHum indeed. I’ve weathered the Alar scare, too, and I am NOT playing scare-me ever again. Who is behind this? Who stands to profit? Who are they trying to do in? Might just be growers who don’t use union fruit-polishers? Maybe it’s some Organic Union Somebody trying to boost organic sales? I am just not available to be whupped up.


6 posted on 12/25/2011 8:17:43 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: neverdem

How about rat droppings? There’s a level of acceptability in product specifications for just about any kind of contaminant; most of these can be presented in hysterical form to drive Moms up the wall. Responsible news organizations (that leaves the NY Times out) don’t pounce on reports like that and build stories around them.


7 posted on 12/25/2011 8:17:59 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

Yep, we’re all stupider than you and we’re all gonna die.


8 posted on 12/25/2011 8:18:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: neverdem

You DO know that CR is a Naderite pub, right?


9 posted on 12/25/2011 8:19:21 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: neverdem

If you’re diabetic, you avoid apple juice for the sugar, not the arsenic.


10 posted on 12/25/2011 8:20:27 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Rembrandt

Yep! And dihydrogen monoxide! Buy only dihydrogen monoxide-free juice!


11 posted on 12/25/2011 8:21:34 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: neverdem

Damn “Big Juice.” Let’s drive them out of business and let the kids drink soda pop. Its for the children.


12 posted on 12/25/2011 8:22:05 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: neverdem

Damn “Big Juice.” Let’s drive them out of business and let the kids drink soda pop. Its for the children.


13 posted on 12/25/2011 8:22:21 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Larry Lucido

CR has been begging me for at least 6 years to resubscribe. They has some ugly socialistic editor hag for a while that was pushing hard for single payer healthcare. That was the final straw for me.


14 posted on 12/25/2011 8:22:58 PM PST by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: decimon; Swordmaker

Ping


15 posted on 12/25/2011 8:24:02 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Other stuff in “100% juice”:

Not-from-concentrate orange juice contains “flavor packets” that are chemicals derived from orange byproducts and are not listed on the label. This is because not-from-concentrate orange juice loses its flavor in storage.

“100% juices” like Juicy Juice are made with a corn-syrup-like sweetener derived from junk juices (apple, grape and pear), then flavoring is added. The juice syrup is not listed on the label as such. That is how Juicy Juice can taste like “Kiwi-Strawberry” when the first ingredient is Apple juice. If the juice contains “natural flavors” then it is adulterated.


16 posted on 12/25/2011 8:30:13 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: neverdem

We are talking PARTS PER BILLION people. You can find anything you want at these concentration levels, and the technology isn’t even precise nor accurate. It’s the new “technology” with which to scare the masses. Everything used to be in parts per million. Now we have progressed by a factor of 10^3 over night. This is the fairy tale land of Al Gore. It is currently stealthly being employed to crush our industry, e.g. Hg emissions. To put things in perspective, your chances of winning any existing lotory is in the millions... not billions. Don’t buy into anything reported in PPB.


17 posted on 12/25/2011 8:31:50 PM PST by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: neverdem

Increasingly, a lot of apple juice sold in the US comes from China. They might use arsenic as a pesticide, but the other pesticides they use are likely worse. My recommendation is to avoid all food products from China.


18 posted on 12/25/2011 8:37:02 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I died from Arsenic Poisoning a few years ago but I got better.


19 posted on 12/25/2011 8:38:59 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: neverdem

I believe you can get a much stronger dose of arsenic from apricot seeds. Some claim this to be beneficial.

Corrections appreciated.


20 posted on 12/25/2011 8:47:34 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: neverdem

I believe you can get a much stronger dose of arsenic from apricot seeds. Some claim this to be beneficial.

Corrections appreciated.


21 posted on 12/25/2011 8:53:30 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: neverdem

Huh! Where’s the EPA when ya need ‘em? Regulatin’ dust!


22 posted on 12/25/2011 8:53:53 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38; Grampa Dave; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; Carry_Okie; calcowgirl; ...
Are you series??? I ate some American grown carrots once... do you think I'll ever die??? (snort!)

Much of the soil in my county contains as much a 5% arsenic, way more than 5 parts per billion!!! We grow much apple juice and rival parts of WA State's apple production in parts this part of CA.

These EnvironMental nut cases, especially the GovernMental EnvironMental nut cases are demanding that air, water and food stuffs be made practically sterile in order to be consumable. They keep moving the goal posts till they shield our children and all other living things from any possible organic or inorganic threat.

I can't prove this but, intuitively I believe there is a direct connection between overly protected children and some of the immunodeficiencies that lead to asthma, cancer and maybe even some of the attention deficit and even autisim which is being blamed on immunizations of all types.

Once again, here comes all that alternative medicine, alternative energy and everyother type hype to tear down the fact that we,ve already cleansed the air, water and dirt to unimagineable levels in just 3 short decades!!! The cost of this speculative and redundant preventive cleansing has sucked up vast sums in a scheme unbased in any cost/benefit basis, but rather hysteria akin to the stupid Alar scare in the decade this all took off... the 1970's!!!

Republican presidents have been the main signers of this politically charged extravagance that has eaten out our substance in this country. They've all been terrified of GANG-GREEN demonstrating outside their re-election headquarters.

This insanity will not stop until enough of Americans show a political will to stop this rush by activists and politicians to stop using our government to make supposed heros of themselves at taxpayer and private sector productivity expense to spend further trillions to push the ball over the last yard, after having moved it the length of the entire rest of the field in a little over 30 years!!!

23 posted on 12/25/2011 8:54:22 PM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: neverdem

Merry Christmas to you too, and a Happy New Year.

Thanks for all the pings.


24 posted on 12/25/2011 8:56:23 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Larry Lucido; Rembrandt; Vince Ferrer; austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; ...
You DO know that CR is a Naderite pub, right?

Does that mean they're always wrong? Here's a JAMA article that's not too old.

Arsenic Exposure and Prevalence of Type 2 Diabetes in US Adults

Conclusions After adjustment for biomarkers of seafood intake, total urine arsenic was associated with increased prevalence of type 2 diabetes. This finding supports the hypothesis that low levels of exposure to inorganic arsenic in drinking water, a widespread exposure worldwide, may play a role in diabetes prevalence. Prospective studies in populations exposed to a range of inorganic arsenic levels are needed to establish whether this association is causal.

My computer is too old to do a decent and recent search at PubMed. Try entering arsenic and diabetes at Pubmed. The results came up the most recent first when I last used it.
25 posted on 12/25/2011 9:16:12 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: SierraWasp

I heard that apply juice naturally contains arsenic.
http://www.fruitjuicefacts.org/apple-juice-facts.html

Its all the medicine from the exponentially increased use of drugs and and hormones from the vast and prolonged use of birth control going into waste water that makes me suspicious.


26 posted on 12/25/2011 9:21:17 PM PST by daniel1212 (Our sinful deeds condemn us, but Christ's death and resurrection gains salvation. Repent +Believe)
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To: neverdem

There’s the crowd which says too much sugar when you’re young makes it more likely to get adult onset diabetes. If they’re right, and if arsenic-tainted juice figures in that, the sugar may be the link, rather than the arsenic itself or at least alone.

Much of the arsenic comes from pesticide IIRC and possibly usage of different pesticides could alleviate the problem. I don’t know why people scream about malathion, for example, but barely give a peep about arsenicals.


27 posted on 12/25/2011 9:27:50 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SierraWasp
Much of the soil in my county contains as much a 5% arsenic, way more than 5 parts per billion!!!

They say you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die, in your area would that mean a bird's peck? Why isn't natural dust killing off the fauna?

28 posted on 12/25/2011 9:30:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Larry Lucido

They’re going after ‘big juice’ here, while giving ‘big liberalism’ a pass. There may or may not be arsenic problems from the juice here, there clearly are major arsenic problems from liberalism in Bangladesh. Unicef - a liberal organization if there ever was one - was criminally negligent resulting in several million cases of chronic arsenic poisoning there. The country had been plagued by diarrheal infections from its surface water supply. In the early 1970s Unicef drilled thousands of deeper wells for them but never tested the result. When the epidemic of symptomatic arsenic poisoning presented 15 years later the water was finally tested and was loaded with arsenic. Arsenic contamination of well water was a well known problem in many parts of the world. Testing for it was standard and cheap. But Unicef wasn’t treated like the French silicone breast company nor as the world’s worst mass poisoners. They were treated as liberals. Their good intentions, not their results, were all that mattered to them.


29 posted on 12/25/2011 9:32:20 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: neverdem
Does that mean they're always wrong? Here's a JAMA article that's not too old.

This article claims 10 ppb of arsenic in juice, which is still at the limit the World Health Organization deems safe. One Taiwan study claims 150 ppb is the level where cancer mortality increases.

My post was prompted by the fact that arsenic is a naturally occurring mineral, and naturally exists in groundwater. Some herbicides contain arsenic, and perhaps that arsenic can be eliminated. But other than that, what can be done about arsenic? How much money would it take to go from 10 ppb to 9 ppb, even though both levels are considered safe? If the arsenic is coming from the water, then it could be very expensive, and with little real improvement in safety.

If the costs of going from 10 to 9 ppb are passed to the consumer, will consumers switch to other drinks which are even less healthy, like soda?

Could the money spent to reduce the arsenic from 10 to 9 ppb be used in some other way which would save even more lives?

30 posted on 12/25/2011 9:32:34 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: UnwashedPeasant

” If the juice contains “natural flavors” then it is adulterated.”

If it was adulterated “within the law,” wouldn’t the FDA have shut them down, UnwashedPeasant?


31 posted on 12/25/2011 9:39:20 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: neverdem

QUICK! How many people can you name that have died of Arsenic in juice, lead in paint or anything (other than bullets), or Mercury in the air?

So what is the sudden panic all about? Remember Alar and how it was gonna kill us all?


32 posted on 12/25/2011 9:45:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: neverdem

There are no Gummint regulations? Oh no! Why aren’t people dropping dead all over the country???

Maybe somebody selling poisoned apples would be out of business faster than you can say “Boycott?”


33 posted on 12/25/2011 9:52:18 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There’s the crowd which says too much sugar when you’re young makes it more likely to get adult onset diabetes.

If it leads to obesity, yes, one type is called Maturity Onset Diabetes of the Young, MODY, otherwise it's usually just dental caries. Both of those types of diabetes are characterized by insulin resistance.

34 posted on 12/25/2011 10:01:03 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

That explains the ever-increasing life span of Americans. It’s Murphy’s Law. The harder you try to kill yourself the longer you live. LOL


35 posted on 12/25/2011 10:09:10 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

When trying to buy apple juice for the grandkids. I had a very hard time finding a brand that did not contain juice from China. Who knew they even had apples in China. There is no telling what is in chinese juice. I refuse to buy it.


36 posted on 12/25/2011 10:17:35 PM PST by CobraJet
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To: UnwashedPeasant
Not-from-concentrate orange juice contains “flavor packets” that are chemicals derived from orange byproducts...

I read that story. Those "chemicals" are nothing that is not present in the orange to begin with. It is just the oils of the orange distilled and fractionated to stabilize them and maintain their flavor. No chemicals are created that do not exist in fresh oranges.

37 posted on 12/25/2011 10:18:38 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: CobraJet
I refuse to buy it.

That is your choice, and also my point.

38 posted on 12/25/2011 10:20:21 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: neverdem
The only juice samples that were significantly over-limit were Walgreen's Grape Juice containing a mix of concentrates from Argentina, Spain and the U.S. This is from the .pdf referenced in the article.The other Argentine and U.S. grape juices were OK or only slightly over. Perhaps the problem is just one Spanish grape vineyard. In any event, the levels of U.S. juices seem fine.

My preference is eating the whole fruit, not drinking juice. It is healthier, has a naturally lower glycemic index, and, a big and, you know what you are consuming and from whence it came. If someone serves you juice in a restaurant or you buy a juice box at a store, you do not know the source of the concentrate. You are flying blind. A grocery store discloses the national source of all whole fruit. Also, as we learned recently "Not From Concentrate" is more of a negative.

So my advice is: eat whole fruit from the U.S. and ignore the scare.

What do they propose, testing each grape? Testing juice would not suffice; they would need to test all fruit. The FDA would require thousands of new employees. Perhaps that is the idea!

39 posted on 12/25/2011 10:21:20 PM PST by Kennard
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To: neverdem

I’m more worried about the bad stuff in our drinking water that the government is prescribing to us.


40 posted on 12/25/2011 10:28:53 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: neverdem
I'm out of town and on a lousy connection. Question: is the home tap water filtration issue addressed vis-a-vis it's effectiveness in the removal of arsenic from the municipal water supply? I know our tap water tastes like an alligator took a whiz in it (which isn't too far from the truth), so I can only imagine what else is in it, even after being processed by the local plant. We currently use two pitchers (one Brita, one Pur), for most kitchen uses. I'd like to know if that's doing anything else but making the water taste better.


41 posted on 12/25/2011 10:31:40 PM PST by Viking2002 (My regular avatar shall resume upon returning from the holiday festivities......assuming it's sober.)
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To: Viking2002
Alligator whiz is the only known substance to precipitate arsenic out of water.
You need to put some in your filters.
42 posted on 12/25/2011 10:35:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
That's a lot of friggin' help. Maybe I should just go lasso one below the dam and squeeze it off into my home water cooler jug? I'll be sure to let it go in your bathroom after it eats one of my dogs.


43 posted on 12/25/2011 10:54:17 PM PST by Viking2002 (My regular avatar shall resume upon returning from the holiday festivities......assuming it's sober.)
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To: Viking2002

Sorry. I really don’t know much about arsenic or water filtration. I like alligators though.


44 posted on 12/25/2011 11:06:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: eyedigress
I died from Arsenic Poisoning a few years ago but I got better.

LOL

45 posted on 12/25/2011 11:18:22 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: TigersEye; decimon
Well, I'm a Type II diabetic with a question for decimon about arsenic and filtration. So if you'd kindly take your cabaret act to the Oak Room, I'd like to find out if my tap water has helping to turn my pancreas into a slab of inert mystery meat, thank you. My left eye would also thank you, as it's under observation due to symptoms of diabetic retinopathy.


46 posted on 12/25/2011 11:24:04 PM PST by Viking2002 (My regular avatar shall resume upon returning from the holiday festivities......assuming it's sober.)
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To: Viking2002

Yeah, that’s all my fault and my posts are preventing you from getting other replies. LOL Moron.


47 posted on 12/25/2011 11:29:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: eyedigress

You’re too funny!


48 posted on 12/25/2011 11:29:27 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: listenhillary
They has some ugly socialistic editor hag for a while that was pushing hard for single payer healthcare.

The name Rhoda Karpatkin comes to mind....

49 posted on 12/25/2011 11:29:54 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: eyedigress

You’re too funny!


50 posted on 12/25/2011 11:37:09 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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