Skip to comments.David Limbaugh: Sometimes Caution Can Backfire (The GOP ruling class better wake up!)
Posted on 12/26/2011 1:10:12 PM PST by neverdem
There seems to be a common line of demarcation separating two basic factions on the political right in the various skirmishes we have fought against Barack Obama, from their markedly different approaches to the budget battles to their differences in sizing up the GOP presidential candidates.
On one side we have the more moderate group, which is more cautious, less risk averse, less excitable, self-consciously pragmatic and more tolerant toward an establishment ruling class, even if not per se establishment itself. On the other side are those who perceive more urgency in our current national condition, are more adamant about adhering to conservative principles to reverse this catastrophe and reject the charge that they are recklessly purist.
Many from the first group have urged restraint and pragmatism in the budget negotiations, insisting it was too risky to force a government shutdown with Obama, that the big prize is 2012 and the best way to secure it is to avoid taking a hard line, which would hand Obama 2012 propaganda ammunition.
In each round of budget battles, with a spirit of defeatism and resignation, they warned against Republican brinksmanship, because they were convinced Obama would automatically win every PR victory. It was as though they had forgotten who'd won the 2010 congressional elections.
Obviously, they didn't believe Republicans could convince the electorate that they had the better argument, even though they were the ones drawing a line in the sand on spending, which was what caused the crisis. Also, they had no confidence that Republicans could persuade voters that Democrats were lying when they said that the government would actually default on its major obligations.
The first group seemed less outraged that the entire ruling class, including our GOP guys, allowed mere reductions in spending increases to be called spending cuts. Nor were they as troubled when our guys, instead of saying, "Sorry, folks, this is the best we can do under a dishonest socialist president," came closer to saying, "Hey, we've achieved a pretty good deal here in real terms."
This group assured us it was holding its major firepower for the 2012 elections. Yet 2012 is here, and they still seem reluctant to bring out the heavy artillery. They are giving their full-throated support to Mr. Caution himself, Mitt Romney, once again saying we can't afford the risk of putting our support behind someone more conservative.
It appears they believe that national elections are a zero-sum game with a fixed number of voters in both the Democrat and Republican camps, and that whichever candidate attracts more independents (who are always presumed, in this static analysis, to constitute 20 percent of the electorate) will win.
This reasoning strikes me as flawed because: a) twice as many people self-identify as conservatives than as liberals (this is different from party ID, but still); b) history invalidates the theory -- e.g., Reagan; c) no one really knows what the amorphous term "independent" means; d) with a president as extremist and destructive as Obama, independents are much less likely to fall his way, and more likely to be receptive to conservative ideas, because they represent the opposite of Obama's failed policies, and e) it discounts the various aspects of voter intensity: 1) certain candidates will energize their base more, 2) certain ones might alienate some in their base so badly they stay home, and 3) certain ones may scare the otherwise apathetic independents and even members of the opposite party to vote for the other guy.
The first group, generally speaking, is falling into Romney's camp, arguing that he is the safest bet and that we can't afford any risks, given the enormity of the stakes. I'm just not so sure. So many number-crunching Republican analysts said he was a shoe-in for the nomination in 2008, but their static analysis failed. Romney does not energize the base, especially the tea party, or anyone else for that matter. His appeal is not that he inspires, but that he supposedly doesn't repel. But in fact, to the contrary, he does repel a good number of conservatives, because they don't trust him in general and/or don't trust he's a conservative.
Ironically, many who've laid claim to sober, adult political analyses the past few years and have scolded others for their alleged harshness in attacking Obama are the very ones who have thrown caution overboard in their relentless, unmeasured scorched-earth savagery of Newt Gingrich.
Though recognizing his weaknesses, I prefer Newt Gingrich over Mitt, and Rick Santorum and maybe Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann over both. But without hesitation, I'll vote for Romney should he get the nomination. Can the Romney supporters say the same about Newt?
Hat tip to okie01!
The “ruling class” is destroying what is left of our “opposition party”. They simply care more about their taxpayer-funded paychecks (along with lobby perks) than they do about the country. Yes, David is far too kind to these featherbedding RINOs.
If David Limbaugh prefers Newt...could this mean Rush does too?
A pro-abortion Reagan denier, Romney crossed the aisle to promote abortion, gay rights, gun-control, liberal judges and advocated for and actually installed a socialist healthcare system (RomneyCare) which became the model and impetus for ObamaCare. He saddled his state with unnecessarily higher healthcare costs, busted budgets, busted Republican label, liberal activist judges, tax payer funded abortion, first in the union gay marriage, gun bans and individual mandates against the previously free citizens, complete with tax penalties for non-compliance.
Oh, yeah, and he saved the Olympics (but kicked the Boy Scouts out due to their clean and wholesome policies, ie, no homosexual scout masters).
Not even a moderate record. Romney is a liberal progressive, possibly even to the left of his ideological twin and ally, the late Ted Kennedy.
NO ROMNEY, NO WAY!!
Rebellion is brewing!!
The GOP elite are progressives like the Clintoons, both Roosevelt’s and Obama..
OH! and the Bush’s, Juan McLaim, Dole, Romney, nOOt, and probably Perry..
The TpCaucus caught on to this.. ALL others have not..
except the democrats most of them... (they do know, you know)
The democrats know who is a progressive and who IS NOT..
Most republicans don’t even know there is a thing called “progressive”..
Until they do... they are “screwed”..
The GOP Elites need to to take off the gloves and go after the Kenyan before it’s too late. How many football fans have witnessed a prevent defense lead to a defeat.
good question by David Limbaugh, “Though recognizing his weaknesses, I prefer Newt Gingrich over Mitt, and Rick Santorum and maybe Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann over both. But without hesitation, I’ll vote for Romney should he get the nomination. Can the Romney supporters say the same about Newt?
Would BET the Romney rinos would NOT vote for Newt. How refreshing that David prefers Newt Gingrich. Glad to be on the same team as Thomas Sowell and David Limbaugh
Good question - and I think we know the answer may well be: no.
I basically concur with Limbaugh's views of the two elements of the Republican party ('moderates' and conservatives) and his choices for Republican presidential nominee (Santorum, Perry, Bachmann and Gingrich, in that order). Like David Limbaugh, I'll (reluctantly) vote for Romney should he win the GOP nomination but with very low expectations and a feeling of hopelessness that conservatives can ever overthrow the quasi-socialist Republican establishment and seriously address our nation's corrupt congress and it's (bankrupting) spending addiction.
Regardless of how this election turns out, I am done with the GOP.
Going along to get along with the socialist wing of the GOP is over for me. They are killing the constitutional republic.
There is no opposition with them in power. Romney will not get my vote because he will increase the speed of America’s downfall. He has never done nothing but Marxist social political correctness and economic socialism/fascism when in power. I expect more of the same. May as well keep the Marxists in one party.
Pond Scum and another dirty dog with mange...
You should be more clear on that. I thought I was going to smell ozone. FU MR should have been first. And FU BO for good measure.
“Ironically, many who’ve laid claim to sober, adult political analyses the past few years and have scolded others for their alleged harshness in attacking Obama are the very ones who have thrown caution overboard in their relentless, unmeasured scorched-earth savagery of Newt Gingrich.”
This has not gone un-noticed. Voting for Mitt is voting for the status-quo. GO NEWT!
If Romneypuke is forced on us, he WILL lose. Many will just not be able to stomach voting for a liberal, and plus the media will drag out stuff about Mormons as though their lives depended on it.
Guaranteed, he would lose. I’d rather he lose by a HUGE margin than a moderate margin, to teach the #@&*%##!! GOP elitists not to force liberal Rs on us every again.
But I’m hoping that someone else makes it to the slot.
The Republican party does not consist of conservatives and moderates. It consists of moderates and progressives. The conservatives in seats of power are very few, as opposed to the voter base, where conservatives are the many, the moderates and progressives are not even 50%.
This kind of thing LOSES THE PARTY BASE, so even if Romney gets the nomination, he will fail to get Republican votes in Virginia.
That will give the majority of the Presidential votes to Obama.
The first rule of politics is YOU MUST KEEP THE BASE ON YOUR SIDE. You never give them an excuse to skip over your name on the ballot, or, in fact, just stay home. You certainly don't want them to vote for the other guy!
Last time the Republicans lost the base in Virginia we ended up electing James Webb ~ a crazy man.
Yeah both Rush and his bro are correct but...Gallup today has Obama now at 47% approval. All of that for a two-week public relations tax cut,. Yikes, the Stupid Party is going to allow this Socialist monster to be re-elected and Paul or some other dope will run as a 3rd Party to cement the Dem victory. Gosh, a Happy New Year????????
Don’t freak out.
The only reason Obama’s approval is rising right now, is because the GOP are stupidly attempting to destroy each other.
At some point, one will win. Then the real contest begins.
If Romney doesn't get the nomination, his supporters will probably vote for Obama, just as they did in 2008.
Reread what you quoted. David’s first choice was Santorum. Newt was at best his 2nd choice and “maybe” his 4th. The only argument I hear against Santorum is “he can’t win,” which is always based on the circular logic that no body is saying he can win. In a year in which the majority of the one time leaders in the race were previously deemed unelectable for the then same reasons, and in when no real votes have yet been cast, the case against Santorum is incredibly weak.
Though recognizing his weaknesses, I prefer Newt Gingrich over Mitt, and Rick Santorum and maybe Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann over both.
I will write in my dog, rather than vote for Romney. If I am to have a socialist, I want one that is outed.
After a lot of back-and-forth on the subject, that’s the conclusion I’ve come to. If a socialist is going to take this nation down (and if either Romney or Obama get elected this is a given), let the left take all the responsibility for it. I don’t want even the name of conservativism anywhere near this coming fiasco.
I doubt that because they share a last name would automatically mean that they endorse the same person.
Rush will get behind the GOP frontrunner. He didn’t like McCain but in the end, urged his voters to pull the lever for him. I just hope he doesn’t try to launch another Operation Chaos. Maharushi dropped the ball on that one.
Like us, he is aware of the danger of reelecting the Kenyan.
God help our Republic.
Guaranteed, he would lose. Id rather he lose by a HUGE margin than a moderate margin, to teach the #@&*%##!! GOP elitists not to force liberal Rs on us every again.
But Im hoping that someone else makes it to the slot.
So do I, although Gingrich only looks 'conservative' next to socialist Romney.
MISread it ..however, I do not consider Santorum or Bachmann as even a possibility so that leaves...Perry and Newt. So far Newt is doing better in the polls so that would leave Newt or Romney. lol..okay I am looking on the bright side here.
Oh how I remember that POS Webb
There is a substantial portion of the Republican Party whose political identity centers around its ability to “work with” the Democrats. If the Democrats were totally defeated, this faction of the party would lose its political identity. Consequently, this faction of the Republican Party can be relied upon to oppose anything that would harm the Democrats enough that they’d be at risk of ultimate defeat.
The dominance of 'progressives' in the Republican establishment is fairly obvious. Unfortunately, the party has moved so far 'left' that a quasi-progressive, e.g., Gingrich, is legitimately labeled as 'conservative'. Thus the 'moderate'/'conservative' designations. However, like most FReepers, I'm well aware of the difference.
I am prepared to vote for any candidate, except Romney. And, unfortunately, I believe Obama will win.
I didn't post the 1st link as archeological chat because archeology in Jerusalem is politcal. This is a tough nut for the Muzzies to swallow because it undermines their claim of Jewish Israelis just being European colonists. This ancient seal is important to the Israelis' public relations argument to the rest of the world, IMHO.
We Know More About Jesus's Birth Than Obama's Which Hawaiian hospital was Obama born in now?!
State of Denial: How New York May Squander Its Energy Boom Junior Hamlet on the Hudson has to pick between the environazis and the people!
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Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah & Happy New Year!
Here’s the real truth, in my NSHO....
We’re lost. Most people in the country are naturally conservative, yet liberals elites run everything.
Tell me, what conservatives are out there to vote for, Republican OR third party????
They’ve all been successfully attacked and killed politically (Palin, Cain, etc) by the elites or flipped to the liberal elite side (Nikki Haley, for example).
Face it folks, you have to be a liberal to be president of the United States. The elites, epsecially in Hollywood and the media, will not suffer a conservative to be successful nationally.
The cold, stark truth is 2012 is a bust for us. We either go with the RINO, or we’re stuck with Obama. There is no good choice at all.
I believe I am going to write in Palin; but that won’t be enough. My state will vote for the RINO over Obama, so I won’t be throwing my vote away, like some would say.
My prediction is Obama wins reelection. The RINO will not get the votes, and the Hollywood and media types will rip him to shreds anyway. We are SO screwed!
I can’t stand nor do I trust Gingrich. At all.
I'm not sure about that. I've posted articles about exit polls for 2006, 2008 & 2010. IIRC, moderates and independents swung 2006, and independents swung 2008 & 2010. Enter 20xxexitpoll as a keyword where xx is 06, 08 or 10. Check my posts and see for yourself.
Well, I made up my mind. Im voting for Rick Perry, whatever the outcome. He is a strong conservative who never cheated on his wife. The guy may not the be the most polished talker of the bunch, but his core beliefs are sound and he is authentic. He is not perfect, but I like him the most of the weaklings we have running for the GOP nomination, and thats it!
This is not some damned hillbilly state with the KKK running things (although maybe it is considering Webb won).
It is profoundly stupid for this state to be part of Super Tuesday but none of the people here get a shot at voting for their candidates.
2006 was controlled by people who don’t approve of Republican homosexuals.
If you are voting in Virginia you won’t get to vote for Perry.
It sounds as though what they did in VA is illegal:
Of course I don’t want any dirty tricks and I would still vote for Gingrich if I had no other choice. So far the entire election “Year” is a criminal sewer.
I don't care what Romney supporters do with Newt. I'll not support Romney, period.
Any conservative will actively oppose him in the primary, and all full (fiscal + social) conservatives will actively oppose him in the general and work against him.
David Limbaugh said: I prefer Newt Gingrich over Mitt, and Rick Santorum.....over both.
I’m telling you; Rick Santorum will be the surprise coming out of Iowa.
Gallup today has Obama now at 47% approval.
Wait until the campaign really starts and Newt mops the floor with him in the Debates.
I prefer Bachmann more than Santorum, but I’ll vote for Newt if that’s the way to prevent Romney. Who know’s who’ll still be standing when NY’s primary comes? I joined the GOP to vote for Thompson in 2008. He was gone when the primary came. I voted for Romney to prevent McCain.
LOL! A lot of libertartans killed us for the idiotic ban on internet gambling. My only satisfaction was seeing its RINO sponsor, Jim Leach tossed. The weasel SOB backed Obama in 2008. Obama picked him to head the National Endowment for the Humanities!
Assuming you are in VA, you will get to vote for either the flipflopper or the kook, so which will it be?
Well, I never voted for Romney. I voted for Sarah, though. To be frank, I think the nominee this year is going to be Romney (though I hope not), and if so I won’t be voting.
mrsmel: “If a socialist is going to take this nation down (and if either Romney or Obama get elected this is a given), let the left take all the responsibility for it. I dont want even the name of conservativism anywhere near this coming fiasco.”
razorback-bert: “I will write in my dog, rather than vote for Romney. If I am to have a socialist, I want one that is outed.”
Yeah, what YOU said. Why put off the inevitable? Let’s get it over with so we can start all over again. :)
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