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TSA screenings aren't just for airports anymore [read this]
LAT ^ | December 20, 2011 | Brian Bennett

Posted on 12/26/2011 3:52:36 PM PST by upchuck

The Transportation Security Administration isn't just in airports anymore. TSA teams are increasingly conducting searches and screenings at train stations, subways, ferry terminals and other mass transit locations around the country...

The TSA's 25 "viper" teams — for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response — have run more than 9,300 unannounced checkpoints and other search operations in the last year. Department of Homeland Security officials have asked Congress for funding to add 12 more teams next year.

According to budget documents, the department spent $110 million in fiscal 2011 for "surface transportation security," including the TSA's viper program, and is asking for an additional $24 million next year. That compares with more than $5 billion for aviation security.

TSA officials say they have no proof that the roving viper teams have foiled any terrorist plots or thwarted any major threat to public safety. But they argue that the random nature of the searches and the presence of armed officers serve as a deterrent and bolster public confidence.

But critics say that without a clear threat, the TSA checkpoints are merely political theater. Privacy advocates worry that the agency is stretching legal limits on the government's right to search U.S. citizens without probable cause — and with no proof that the scattershot checkpoints help prevent attacks.

"It's a great way to make the public think you are doing something," said Fred H. Cate, a professor at the Indiana University Maurer School of Law, who writes on privacy and security. "It's a little like saying, 'If we start throwing things up in the air, will they hit terrorists?'"

Last month in Orlando, Fla., a team set up metal detectors at a Greyhound bus station and tested passengers' bags for explosive residue.

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"But they argue that the random nature of the searches and the presence of armed officers serve as a deterrent and bolster scare the public. confidence."

Sorry, just had to fix that. This is so wrong.

1 posted on 12/26/2011 3:52:40 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck
I predicted this when Dubya passed the Patriot Act.

They would start in the airports to get us accustomed and acquiescent to it, then they would expand it until there was a TSA goon on every corner asking to see your papers.

And all the street-corner TSA goons will be Eric Holder's people. Count on it.

2 posted on 12/26/2011 3:55:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: upchuck; SteelTrap; JustSayNoToNannies; Dr. Morrall; pa_dweller; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; ..

Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here.

3 posted on 12/26/2011 4:00:33 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: upchuck
I added this to my homepage ten years ago, when the Patriot Act was passed.

Welcome to President George Dubya Bush's
HOMELAND PENITENTIARY
Where Everyone Is a Suspect (Except Muslims)
ANTI-TERROR ÜBER ALLES
We've got your numberTM


4 posted on 12/26/2011 4:01:47 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: upchuck

...Just be glad you’re still allowed to pass this on without censorship.


5 posted on 12/26/2011 4:02:48 PM PST by gargoyle (...a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: upchuck

I’ll vote for whoever will fight this madness...


6 posted on 12/26/2011 4:04:27 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: upchuck

Flying is an ordeal at every level. The TSA is a part of it, and particularly annoying, but just about everything from the point of leaving my home to the point of actually walking through the door of my destination is a chore.

I just try to not travel very much. It works for me.


7 posted on 12/26/2011 4:05:10 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: gargoyle

For now...


8 posted on 12/26/2011 4:05:10 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: upchuck
Well done.

Not only expansion of the TSA, but hiring of thousands of IRS agents and DHS grants to local law enforcement agencies across the country to provide military grade weaponry, body armor, vehicles and surveillance such as unmanned aerial drones.

WTF is going on?

9 posted on 12/26/2011 4:06:32 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: upchuck

So after 11 years of this terrorist BS, we need a President or candidate that is actually going to change the direction of this Patriot Act, to one that represents the wishes of a free (not scared) people, and that which makes us the “Most free country in the world”? Otherwise freedom is just a USA marketing slogan.

Having SWAT (or whatever the latest LE buzzword is) teams with automatic weapons on every American corner, monitoring us, and at every train station scanning and asking for ID please is not my idea of freedom. Once this movement to steal our freedom starts, there is no end unless the guy on top says so.

We need to have an open and very public debate on why this movement to muzzle and handcuff all Americans as potential bad guys continues unabated.


10 posted on 12/26/2011 4:07:35 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: GOPJ

...Yea, that part was a given. (-;)


11 posted on 12/26/2011 4:10:33 PM PST by gargoyle (...a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: upchuck
is asking for an additional $24 million next year

Make that, "HELL NO!

12 posted on 12/26/2011 4:15:59 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: rabscuttle385

...STERMABTEILUNG.


13 posted on 12/26/2011 4:17:34 PM PST by gargoyle (...a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: All
This crap needs to stop. Everyone needs to read this book.
Or at least watch this. Frontline Top Secret America.
14 posted on 12/26/2011 4:20:48 PM PST by moehoward
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To: moehoward

If the only people subjected to it are Muslims, I’m all for it.


15 posted on 12/26/2011 4:25:25 PM PST by T. Jefferson (Batton down the hatches, full speed in reverse)
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To: upchuck
Big Sis must watch this clip over and over, hoping for the day when she can do this herself: "Papers Please"
16 posted on 12/26/2011 4:28:11 PM PST by tpmintx (Problem: The people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who VOTE for a living.)
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To: T. Jefferson

It won’t be...it will be you and me. Not sure how I will handle it.


17 posted on 12/26/2011 4:30:11 PM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: T. Jefferson

It won’t be...it will be you and me. Not sure how I will handle it.


18 posted on 12/26/2011 4:30:22 PM PST by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: T. Jefferson

Yeah, sure, like THAT is going to happen. It will likely be the opposite, and they will be exempt.


19 posted on 12/26/2011 4:30:37 PM PST by Zarro (Recall EVERYONE in Congress voting for the NDAA 2012)
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To: rabscuttle385
Which is why I've been telling people (that say they care about our Liberty, Freedom, & US Constitution) to simply stop flying on commercial airlines. (Obviously if you have to fly to earn your living it is a different case, unless you can find a way to earn a living without flying.) No one seems to want to give up their "pleasure" trips to wherever though. I knew that the airports were just step one, after a bit of mild squawking everyone just falls into line and accepts the tyranny. People need to stop accommodating these monsters. If I can't drive to a destination, no matter what, I simply don't go.

I wonder if being stopped on the highways or at train stations is going to wake some more people up? Sadly, I doubt it at this point.

20 posted on 12/26/2011 4:31:29 PM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: upchuck

Just dropped my son off at the airport and saw him go through the TSA gauntlet. I really don’t know why, because our family has gone through these for several years , but looking at the tubs of sh#t stuffed into their stupid uniforms and shiny little badges made me want to puke.

We are all sheep. My only consolation is that most of the airport flunkies will start getting their cancers in about 5-10 years, for women with predisposition for breast cancer. Men will pop up with the thyroid and then big cohort will get leukemias in 10-15 years. F’em all.
The only thing that would make me happier is if only the democrat owners of the corporations making money off of our loss of rights would go bankrupt to make it all good.


21 posted on 12/26/2011 4:37:21 PM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: upchuck

Maybe they could check folks on the way into and out from Mosques?


22 posted on 12/26/2011 4:45:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: T. Jefferson

The real T Jefferson would have disagreed with you.


23 posted on 12/26/2011 4:47:20 PM PST by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: upchuck
But they argue that the random nature of the searches and the presence of armed officers serve as a deterrent and bolster public confidence.

Among sheeple perhaps, but they do nothing except raise anxiety levels amongst the citizens.

24 posted on 12/26/2011 4:47:55 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: T. Jefferson

TSA has no interest in them. They are after every day americans. It’s about controlling us.


25 posted on 12/26/2011 4:52:02 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: upchuck

I’m waiting for the weak minded “well you have no RIGHT to fly or you don’t have to fly” cowards to speak up about if we have a RIGHT TO:
Travel by train
Travel by bus
Enter a sports facility
Enter a Town, County, State building without our 4th Amendment rights being violated.

Just when will these cowards reach their breaking point and join the rest of us who detest the TSA and everything they represent? When can we return to profiling the scum of the earth who want to destroy us?. I am all for infringing on the “rights” of mudslime maggots who have openly called for our destruction before we infringe upon the rights of one more real AMERICAN grandmother or child in our PC insanity.


26 posted on 12/26/2011 4:53:47 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: upchuck

Does this mean that they are going after illegal aliens?


27 posted on 12/26/2011 4:56:53 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: zzeeman

The last time I flew was in 1996 to my Dad’s funeral. I retired in 1999 so that made not flying much easier.

I enjoy driving around our beautiful country.


28 posted on 12/26/2011 4:57:02 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: upchuck
Napolitano Testifies-2sm
Big Sis Napolitano: A National Embarrassment
29 posted on 12/26/2011 5:06:55 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: upchuck

The Greyhound station in Orlando ought to have a detachment of special forces to keep the peace, never mind the TSA.


30 posted on 12/26/2011 5:08:39 PM PST by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: upchuck
The sad truth is, not only did many of us expect this after 9/11 and all of the "Homeland Security" crap that the Bush administration was trying to push, but it appears that few people care.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2666903/posts - Feb 2011 - 5 replies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2749261/posts - July 2011 - 21 replies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2799740/posts - Oct 2011 Tennessee highways - 21 replies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2795575/posts Oct 2011 - Tennessee highways 32 replies

If Tom Cruise were to say something negative about Conservatives, there would be a thread with hundreds of replies. But the TSA starts expanding their jurisdiction, and nobody gives a damn and they don't crack 50 replies.
31 posted on 12/26/2011 5:08:59 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: zzeeman
I wonder if being stopped on the highways or at train stations is going to wake some more people up? Sadly, I doubt it at this point.

It won't. Makes me sick to think about the kind of country my grandchildren's grandchildren will inherit. They won't even realize the freedoms that I had, that they won't.
32 posted on 12/26/2011 5:11:10 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Ted Grant

I wonder if discouraging travel isn’t part of the game. Reduce carbon footprint and make people easier to control.


33 posted on 12/26/2011 5:12:29 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: upchuck

This is why I do not do public transportation. One of them would end up touching my daughter and I’d end up ripping his arms off and feeding them to him. It wouldn’t end well for anyone involved. Touch my daughter and I will hurt you very, very badly.

I’ll stick to private modes of transportation. They cross into that area and we’ll have issues.


34 posted on 12/26/2011 5:17:18 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: upchuck

I haven’t flown since my first experience with TSA where I was poked and prodded by some nasty skinny hands that still gives me the creepy chills! My attitude is this: PHUC ‘EM ... I’ll stay home and not go to any place that has these thugs to harass good people! I will also be the first in line to vote ... in March and then in November.

This weekend I saw a film (true story), “Invincible,” about a young Polish Jew in 1932 that goes to Berlin to work. By 1933, he returns home to warn other Jews that bad things were going to happen. No one listened to him ... today, we seem to be repeating history. Very few really understand and know what is happening. It is sad for me to see families (including my own) that are barely able to remain civil at the dinner table on such matters.


35 posted on 12/26/2011 5:17:18 PM PST by Docs Galore
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To: upchuck

I haven’t flown since my first experience with TSA where I was poked and prodded by some nasty skinny hands that still gives me the creepy chills! My attitude is this: PHUC ‘EM ... I’ll stay home and not go to any place that has these thugs to harass good people! I will also be the first in line to vote ... in March and then in November.

This weekend I saw a film (true story), “Invincible,” about a young Polish Jew in 1932 that goes to Berlin to work. By 1933, he returns home to warn other Jews that bad things were going to happen. No one listened to him ... today, we seem to be repeating history. Very few really understand and know what is happening. It is sad for me to see families (including my own) that are barely able to remain civil at the dinner table on such matters.


36 posted on 12/26/2011 5:17:23 PM PST by Docs Galore
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To: Wurlitzer

There have been VIPR teams searching people getting off trains and road check points. They’ve already started testing the “let’s search all modes of transport”.


37 posted on 12/26/2011 5:20:21 PM PST by tbw2
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To: upchuck

We are mo onger free, we slave to pay taxes until August, they are now sepnding the remaining 4 months of our earnings.

“A people who will trade liberty for security deserves neither.”


38 posted on 12/26/2011 5:29:15 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists, just like other republican elites.)
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To: upchuck

read more at: http://www.infowars.com/congress-to-fund-massive-expansion-of-tsa-checkpoints/


39 posted on 12/26/2011 5:30:49 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists, just like other republican elites.)
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To: T. Jefferson
If the only people subjected to it are Muslims, I’m all for it.

Like these muslims:

You might want to reconsider. YOU may be next.

40 posted on 12/26/2011 5:39:36 PM PST by Sarajevo
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To: upchuck

Like any other government agency, the TSA is scrambling for a” reason to be”. Let’s face it, the reason for the WoT is over, bin Laden is dead, the government is still incompetent and looking for another scapegoat.
TSA is nothing more than a Bush administration jobs program for the chronically unemployed, and now they are expanding.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 5:44:35 PM PST by Sarajevo
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To: af_vet_rr
The sad truth is, not only did many of us expect this after 9/11 and all of the "Homeland Security" crap that the Bush administration was trying to push, but it appears that few people care.

That's because Jr Bush did it, and anything Jr did is not open to question, even though he is/was a liberal R.

42 posted on 12/26/2011 5:48:15 PM PST by Sarajevo
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To: Sarajevo

Amen, brother.

All of the nuke’m all garbage spouted around here is knee jerk. I can appreciate the frustration, but we are giving up more and more liberties every day.

Thanks for pointing that out in a very understandable way.


43 posted on 12/26/2011 5:50:59 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Sarajevo

I think too much of the nation is asleep. It doesn’t matter if a Republican or a Democrat is in office. They just don’t care.


44 posted on 12/26/2011 5:54:40 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: zzeeman

Being stopped on public roadways for no reason is already a common occurrence. DWI checkpoints, ICE checkpoint on I-10 in Texas east of El Paso well within the territory of the U.S. and not at a border crossing. Now this crap.
By the way, anyone know what a NASCAR race has to do with transportation?


45 posted on 12/26/2011 5:57:14 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: stockpirate; Jim Robinson
read more at: http://www.infowars.com/congress-to-fund-massive-expansion-of-tsa-checkpoints/

Read that, thanks. What a shame that can't be posted here. Really good article.

46 posted on 12/26/2011 6:05:30 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: upchuck
The TSA mandate will increase incrementally to the point that there will be armed checkpoints at the entries of all major cities as well as strategic points along the interstate highway system. Mark my words, it will happen sooner than you think.
47 posted on 12/26/2011 6:05:38 PM PST by semaj
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To: upchuck

I hate to sound cynical of the situation, but I am. Just like the NYC stock trading interests, the government can create an event that can easily work to advance certain special interests and create profits.

If one wants to create a buying opportunity for insiders, one creates a negative financial event to encourage the outsider sheep to sell. If you want to create an event to scare the public into buying into TSA scanners, duct tape and supporting more govt control you hire an underwear bomber. When the message is easily manipulated and controlled, the determination of outcome is a piece of cake. We need to be more skeptical than naive.

Programed events always result in programmed outcomes.


48 posted on 12/26/2011 6:08:53 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone
"We need to have an open and very public debate..."

You can debate all you want, while the tyrants and traitors laugh at you while putting the finishing touches on the police state that America has become. The time for talk is over. Death to tyrants and traitors.

49 posted on 12/26/2011 6:09:14 PM PST by semaj
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To: upchuck

VIPER=Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response

Beyond stupid.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 6:15:39 PM PST by tumblindice
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