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Gingrich Applauded Romney's Health Plan [headline is a lie]
Wall St. J ^ | December 27, 2011 | BRODY MULLINS AND JANET ADAMY

Posted on 12/26/2011 10:01:00 PM PST by Steelfish

DECEMBER 27, 2011 Gingrich Applauded Romney's Health Plan

BY BRODY MULLINS AND JANET ADAMY

Newt Gingrich voiced enthusiasm for Mitt Romney's Massachusetts health-care law when it was passed five years ago, the same plan he has been denouncing over the past few months as he campaigned for the Republican presidential nomination.

"The health bill that Governor Romney signed into law this month has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system," said an April 2006 newsletter published by Mr. Gingrich's former consulting company, the Center for Health Transformation.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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1 posted on 12/26/2011 10:01:06 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Hmm ...


2 posted on 12/26/2011 10:02:15 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Steelfish

And Nanny State Newt wants to keep 10 % of Bolshevik Chairman Obama’s Obama”care.”


3 posted on 12/26/2011 10:05:05 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Steelfish

But . . . but that’s different. When Romney proposes government solution to health care, it means it’s coming straight from the antichrist himself. But when Gingrich proposes government solution to health care, it means that we are to embrace him as our conservative savior, the second coming of Reagan, and that we should anoint him as our candidate.


4 posted on 12/26/2011 10:06:59 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: All
Yeah? But Newt is not a FAG Loving lefty on social issues like FLIPERINO he homo-loving wimp.

We social conservatives would have out of freaking minds to vote for this weasel.

5 posted on 12/26/2011 10:08:00 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: Steelfish

Experience is the best teacher
But here’s what makes me burn:
It’s always teaching me the things
I do not care to learn.


6 posted on 12/26/2011 10:08:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Steelfish

Sigh.....


7 posted on 12/26/2011 10:08:22 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Steelfish

Here is the Newt kissing up to Kerry. Really like to read his book on global warming before the election. But that won’t happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgbHbzq40s


8 posted on 12/26/2011 10:09:13 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: Graewoulf
Gingrich on Obamacare: 'About 300 pages are pretty good'
9 posted on 12/26/2011 10:11:09 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Windflier

Either Romney or Gingrich, and Obama will have a field day with this info from mocking, slicing ads to everything else. Just maybe Rick Perry may break through in Iowa and if not, dark horse Santorum coming in as Sea Biscuit.


10 posted on 12/26/2011 10:12:12 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Rombots prematurely celebrating on this thread I see.


11 posted on 12/26/2011 10:12:24 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: BunnySlippers

It must have been that mandate thingy that sold him...


12 posted on 12/26/2011 10:13:10 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Steelfish
Just maybe Rick Perry may break through in Iowa and if not, dark horse Santorum coming in as Sea Biscuit.

I support Santorum, but I believe Perry is going to win Iowa.

13 posted on 12/26/2011 10:14:35 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Steelfish
Just maybe Rick Perry may break through in Iowa and if not, dark horse Santorum coming in as Sea Biscuit.

Or "Beetlebaum".

/little Spike Jones reference

14 posted on 12/26/2011 10:14:44 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Steelfish

This is very easy to take way out of context.
Look ONLY at what the candidates have done and clearly support.

And remember ANYTHING is upside over Obama and ObamaCare.
Don’t take my word for it — read the Obamacare legislation and see what goes into effect in 2013!! (after the election of course). You will not beat up on either Romney or Newt after you read the guts of the Marxist timebomb (Obamacare).

Clue: That is why the Dems HID the bill and did not let ANYONE read it before they voted — and did not let the Repubs participate in its creation.

It is VERY UGLY.


15 posted on 12/26/2011 10:14:55 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Hoodat

On a side note, how about Brees breaking Marino’s record tonight?


16 posted on 12/26/2011 10:14:55 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: Steelfish

Whether you want to admit it or not, the individual mandate was not the worst idea that ever happened. The problem it was attempting to solve was that free health care is being given out in emergency rooms and the taxpayer and insurance-holders get stuck with the bill. It’s not easy to come up with a solution to that problem. The individual mandate was an anti-welfare idea that attempted to make people personally responsible for their own health insurance costs. Just like it was used to combat Hilary-care in the ‘90s, it was used to “water down” the original Obamacare so that it didn’t become a completely single-payer state-run health system. The far-left opposed having it become the basis for Obama’s plan. The real problems of Obama’s plan include the thousands of pages of regulations, government controls and the big exemptions to the mandate that ends up with the government footing the bill for people’s health care anyway.

Here is Newt’s campaign’s health proposal:

http://www.newt.org/solutions/healthcare

“We must repeal and replace the left’s big government health bill with real solutions that will lower costs and improve health outcomes.” – Newt Gingrich

The big government Obamacare approach does not address the root causes of America’s health care crisis. Instead, it creates layers of new taxes, regulations, and bureaucracies that will ultimately make our problems worse, not better. Newt proposes a “Patient Power” plan that will save lives and save money.

Newt’s plan to save lives and save money

Make health insurance more affordable and portable by giving Americans the choice of a generous tax credit or the ability to deduct the value of their health insurance up to a certain amount and by allowing Americans to purchase insurance across state lines, increasing price competition in the industry.
Create more choices in Medicare by giving seniors the option to choose, on a voluntary basis, a more personal system in the private sector with greater options for better care. This would create price competition to lower costs.
Reform Medicaid by giving states more freedom and flexibility to customize their programs to suit their needs with a block-grant program similar to the successful welfare reform of 1996. With that block grant, each state can focus on providing the assistance to low-income families that they each need to buy health insurance.
Cover the sickest with a High Risk Pool set up by each state to cover the uninsured who have become too sick to buy health insurance.
Protect consumers by reinforcing laws which prohibit insurers from cancelling or charging discriminatory rate increases to those who become sick while insured.
Extend Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) throughout the health care system. Everyone on Medicare and Medicaid should be free to choose an HSA for their coverage. All workers should be free to choose an HSA in place of their employer coverage if they desire.
Reward quality care by changing the Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement models to take into account the quality of the care delivered and incentivizing beneficiaries to seek out facilities that deliver the best care at the lowest costs.
Reward health and wellness by giving health plans, employers, Medicare, and Medicaid more latitude to design benefits to encourage, incentivize, and reward healthy behaviors.
Stop health care fraud by moving from a paper-based system to an electronic one. Health care fraud accounts for as much as much as 10 percent of all health care spending, according to the National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association. That’s more than $200 billion a year. Compare this to the 0.1% fraud rate in the credit card industry thanks to its high-tech information analysis systems.
Stop junk lawsuits that drive up the cost of medicine with medical malpractice reform.
Speed medical breakthroughs to patients by reforming the Food and Drug Administration.
Inform patients and consumers of price and quality so they can make informed choices about how to spend their money on care. Patients have the right to know this information, but finding it is virtually impossible.
Invest in research for health solutions that are urgent national priorities. Medical breakthroughs—ones that prevent or cure disease rather than treating its symptoms—are a critical part of the solution to long-term budget challenges. More brain science research, for example, could lead to Alzheimer’s Disease cures and treatments that could save the federal government over $20 trillion over the next forty years.

With these Patient Power reforms, healthcare can be transformed from an anchor on our economy to an engine. From a broken, fragmented system to a coordinated, innovative system that delivers more choices at lower cost for all Americans.

This comprehensive approach—cost, quality, competition, and coverage—can solve the problem of the uninsured with no individual mandate and no employer mandate. Everyone would be able to obtain essential health care and coverage when needed. For those who are too poor to buy health insurance, states will have more flexibility to provide them with the assistance they need to buy it. For those who nevertheless choose not to purchase coverage and then become too sick to do so, high risk pools will provide access to coverage. Once you have health insurance, you are assured you can keep it. By contrast, even Obamacare for all its trillions in taxes, spending, new entitlements, and new bureaucracy still does not achieve universal coverage.


17 posted on 12/26/2011 10:16:10 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Hoodat

Thanks, that was the thread!


18 posted on 12/26/2011 10:16:25 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: CainConservative
Rombots prematurely celebrating on this thread I see.

Newtbots showing their inability to reconcile with the fact that their candidate (like Mitt Romney) is a big-government progressive.

19 posted on 12/26/2011 10:17:13 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: CainConservative; Steelfish
Rombots prematurely celebrating on this thread I see.

Do you always bear false witness against others like this?

Or is it only reserved for the "Political" side of your life?
20 posted on 12/26/2011 10:18:58 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Steelfish
Adding the plus and minuses, I really can't see that Gingrich is any more conservative then Romney.

Gingrich supporters believe that Gingrich really has turned away from his big government progressive ways because he says he has. On the contrary, they refuse to believe Romney has sincerely changed his ways when he says he has. For me, I don't believe either of them and don't consider either of them conservative.

21 posted on 12/26/2011 10:19:18 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: EagleUSA
Don’t take my word for it — read the Obamacare legislation and see what goes into effect in 2013!! (after the election of course). You will not beat up on either Romney or Newt after you read the guts of the Marxist timebomb (Obamacare).

But Newt just got finished telling us that 300 pages of it were 'pretty good'.

22 posted on 12/26/2011 10:19:18 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Steelfish

There’s a full text of Newt’s criticism here at the bottom of this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/12/26/gingrich-in-2006-romneycare-is-exciting-and-has-tremendous-potential/

It’s no secret that Gingrich was for an individual mandate back in 2005-2006—this was originally a conservative idea back then. This was conceived as a solution to the free rider problem—i.e., what do you do about people who have the money to buy health insurance, but make a calculated decision not to, and then later rack up huge hospital bills which they can’t pay?

But the devil’s in the details of the implementation, and it doesn’t sound here as if Newt was particularly favorable of the Romneycare plan on that front.

It would probably be good to see what Gingrich thinks of individual mandates now in 2011 before assailing him on it. Last I heard he no longer supports them and gave an explanation why as to why these were found to be unworkable. If anyone has a link to him explaining this, do post.


23 posted on 12/26/2011 10:19:23 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Steelfish; All

There’s a full text of Newt’s criticism here at the bottom of this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/12/26/gingrich-in-2006-romneycare-is-exciting-and-has-tremendous-potential/

It’s no secret that Gingrich was for an individual mandate back in 2005-2006—this was originally a conservative idea back then. This was conceived as a solution to the free rider problem—i.e., what do you do about people who have the money to buy health insurance, but make a calculated decision not to, and then later rack up huge hospital bills which they can’t pay?

But the devil’s in the details of the implementation, and it doesn’t sound here as if Newt was particularly favorable of the Romneycare plan on that front.

It would probably be good to see what Gingrich thinks of individual mandates now in 2011 before assailing him on it. Last I heard he no longer supports them and gave an explanation why as to why these were found to be unworkable. If anyone has a link to him explaining this, do post.


24 posted on 12/26/2011 10:19:49 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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Romney is an immoral bastard who seems ready to promote HIS VALUES:FAGS, and that is enough FOR ME. The republican version of OHOMO!

Now I understand WHY the MSM is pulling for him...

25 posted on 12/26/2011 10:23:40 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: VicVega
On a side note, how about Brees breaking Marino’s record tonight?

Drew Brees is a phenomenal QB. It is uncanny how he can find the semi-open receiver and perfectly place the ball so that only his receiver can catch it. In my opinion, he is the best QB in the league today.

The Saints are very well coached, and I would not be surprised to see them go all the way.

26 posted on 12/26/2011 10:23:44 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Utmost Certainty
It would probably be good to see what Gingrich thinks of individual mandates now in 2011 before assailing him on it.

And I suppose you also believe Romney when he explains how he has changed his positions?

27 posted on 12/26/2011 10:23:59 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Steelfish
Obama will have a field day with this info from mocking, slicing ads to everything else.

Let him. The ammo he's given the Republican candidate is a hundred times more powerful.

28 posted on 12/26/2011 10:24:52 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JediJones

Ah, that’s what I was looking for on Newt’s current position re: individual mandate. Thanks.


29 posted on 12/26/2011 10:25:02 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: ElPatriota
Romney is an immoral bastard who seems ready to promote HIS VALUES:FAGS

Is that worse than serial adultery and hypocrisy?

30 posted on 12/26/2011 10:29:38 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

A person can change their mind, I’m not opposed to this.

The difference is that Romney doesn’t really -explain- why he changes opinions—he just flips to one side and then back to the other as an apparent matter of political convenience. The cognitive dissonance he provokes is jarring.

Whereas if Romney were actually capable of putting forth cogent, informed, convincingly reasonable explanations as to why he changed from position X to position Y, then I probably wouldn’t consider Romney such a duplicitous bastard.


31 posted on 12/26/2011 10:30:24 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: SoConPubbie
Childishly rooting against "Contract With America" Newt (who is not perfect) only promotes "Massachusettes Liberal" Willard's nomination.

Wake up, dude: it's Newt or Willard VERSUS Obama. Choose wisely.

32 posted on 12/26/2011 10:31:34 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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Steelfish


"Fingertips (Part 2)" comes to mind

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33 posted on 12/26/2011 10:32:27 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
It’s no secret that Gingrich was for an individual mandate back in 2005-2006—this was originally a conservative idea back then.

I'm confused. I thought Romneycare = Obamacare = Commiecare. Is that too simplistic?

34 posted on 12/26/2011 10:32:27 PM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: Utmost Certainty

Newt has also said that the constitutional issue is one reason why he’s moved away from the idea of an individual mandate.

Essentially we have always been mandating emergency room coverage by law without paying for it. Why was there never an uproar about that, but only an uproar over someone trying to come up with a way to pay for that?

Also, if you look at Newt’s full article that Forbes is quoting, his reason for saying Romneycare “has tremendous potential to effect major change in the American health system” is explained at the end. He was saying it would spur debate, not that it was the final and best solution.

“While the Commonwealth’s plan will naturally endure tremendous scrutiny from those who assert that the law will not work as intended, Massachusetts leaders are to be commended for this bipartisan proposal to tackle the enormous challenge of finding real solutions for creating a sustainable health system. I hope that Massachusetts’ initiative to provide affordable, quality health insurance for all continues to ignite even more debate around the subject of how to best address our nation’s uninsured crisis and the critical problems within the health system at large.”

http://web.archive.org/web/20060822061158/http:/www.healthtransformation.net/News/E_newsletters/index.cfm?newsletterid=20


35 posted on 12/26/2011 10:35:30 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: Dick Holmes

There’s far more to Romneycare and Obamacare than just the individual mandate component—you’re forgetting the deluge of onerous regulations and bureaucratic morass they prescribe into law.


36 posted on 12/26/2011 10:37:25 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Prokopton

Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed.


37 posted on 12/26/2011 10:38:48 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Dick Holmes
I'm confused. I thought Romneycare = Obamacare = Commiecare. Is that too simplistic?

Because he was afraid of Hillarycare, Newt begot Gingrichcare which begot Romneycare which begot Obamacare.

Four plans from four people I wouldn't trust on a bet.

38 posted on 12/26/2011 10:40:03 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Steelfish

Tweedledee and Tweedledum


39 posted on 12/26/2011 10:42:26 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed.

Yes, that's very convincing.

40 posted on 12/26/2011 10:42:48 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Utmost Certainty

Romney has changed his position on a LOT of fundamental issues, usually carefully timed with his running for a new election.

Health care and climate change were not easy issues where there was a fundamental conservative or Judeo-Christian basis for how to approach them going years back. Newt is a thinker, and a lot of his writings on these issues over the years while he’s been out of office don’t appear to present solid positions, but moreso thinking out loud and considering various potential solutions. Also keep in mind he worked for think tanks. His job was to pontificate on these things and try to come up with solutions.

There are bigger differences between Romney and Newt on their current campaign proposals, not just their past statements. Newt is offering a much broader tax overhaul while Romney’s takes the same tax-the-rich-more approach that Obama does.


41 posted on 12/26/2011 10:43:29 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed.

Oh yeah? Well Rick Santorum is a zillion times more conservative than Gingrich, and anyone who says otherwise is a liberal-loving Newtbot.

(Paging Captain Hyperbole. Please pick up the white courtesy phone . . .)

42 posted on 12/26/2011 10:44:15 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: EagleUSA; Utmost Certainty

Unfortunately in election sound bites nuance is lost. Ads will portray a million times over the WSJ headline. Perception often times defines reality in politics. Don’t get me wrong. I like much of what Gingrich says and stands for but with this kind of baggage to explain away coupled with his lack of telegenic appeal he is as close as you can get to being unelectable. The likely remaining prospects are now Perry and Santorum. That’s the reality. Gingrich is of course not done. He is leading in S. Carolina, Florida, and Ohio. But as in Iowa we have a fickle primary electorate. These leads are ephemeral and is no true indicator on how all this would pan out.


43 posted on 12/26/2011 10:45:15 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: CainConservative
Wake up, dude: it's Newt or Willard VERSUS Obama. Choose wisely.

Really? Only Newt or Willard? No one else to choose from, eh? Give me a break.

Support Newt or Willard at your own peril. I'll support a conservative instead.

44 posted on 12/26/2011 10:48:02 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

On Jan 3rd night, you’ll see the light.


45 posted on 12/26/2011 10:49:09 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: Hoodat
"Gingrich is 1000000000000000 times more conservative than Romney, and anyone who says otherwise is either lying or uninformed."

Exactly.

46 posted on 12/26/2011 10:50:44 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: JediJones
Newt has also said that the constitutional issue is one reason why he’s moved away from the idea of an individual mandate.

The Constitution would have been the reason I never would have supported it from the start. Obviously, Newt Gingrich does not value the Constitution the same way that I do.

47 posted on 12/26/2011 10:51:37 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Steelfish

for gawd sakes, most republicans are socialists. We’re doomed


48 posted on 12/26/2011 10:51:41 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: CainConservative
On Jan 3rd night, you’ll see the light.

Will you? When Gingrich places third or lower in Iowa, will you still be singing the same song? Or will we then have your permission to support a conservative candidate instead?

49 posted on 12/26/2011 10:54:45 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

your right Santorum is. But he is also unelectable because people just don’t like him.

The choices are Romney or Gingrich, it’s that simple.


50 posted on 12/26/2011 10:57:53 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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