Posted on 12/26/2011 10:45:07 PM PST by Kevmo
New Cold Fusion Success Claim: “Aussie Guy E-Cat” Says he Has Fleischmann-Pons Effect Devices Working
December 26, 2011
A very interesting discussion is taking place on Vortex-l, the online email discussion list for cold fusion, where a poster nicknamed “Aussie Guy E-Cat” is sharing information about Fleischmann-Pons Experiment (FPE) devices he has obtained from an Asian source, and which he plans to use to commercialize and demonstrate that Fleischmann and Pons were correct in their cold fusion claims.
In the discussion thread Aussie Guy writes:
The 2 cells were obtained from an Asian source. They are on loan for 3 months. The source will work remotely with our local uni to get them operational. They output greater than 1 watt with a COP greater than 5. We are funding the work at the local uni. The uni can publish the results from the cells we make locally. The source has received an up front payment. They will receive further funding as the cells are proven to work by the local uni and further funding when our replicant cells become operational.
We plan to make our replicant cells available to other FPE researchers. These cells are not capable of delivering a E-Cat or Hyperion level of performance. They are designed to prove F&P were correct, the FPE is real, to silence the FPE deniers and drive scientific investigation of the FPE. Our desire is simple. To accelerate the acceptance of the FPE, to get the effect properly understood and to see FPE devices powering our planet. OK, along the way to make a few dollars as well.
This poster had hoped to purchase a 100 kW E-Cat plant from Andrea Rossi, but Rossi was not willing to sell a scaled-down large plant, so it appears that Aussie Guy has looked to other sources for small-scale devices to demonstrate the reality of cold fusion. The fact that he is working with a local (Australian) university will be of interest to the many people who have been hoping for independent third party testing of cold fusion devices by qualified scientists. AG says that eventually the plan is for him to manufacture simple FPE demo devices that can be sold to the wide market.
This is another interesting development in what seems to be a growing momentum in the area of cold fusion research, and the positive results reported are encouraging news for all who are hoping to see a rapid emergence of a new and improved energy source for a world that is very much in need of it. 2012 could be shaping up to be a banner year for cold fusion!
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
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It seems the genie is now out of the bottle.
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Aussie Guy has claimed that he is ready to buy an E-Cat as soon as Rossi is willing to sell him one, but after being stalled by Rossi for the last month, he has apparently decided that Rossi won't be supplying anything anytime soon.
If he really thought that Rossi was legit, he wouldn't be bothering putting together his own version of "cold fusion" reactor that will supposedly produce about 1 Watt, 1/10,000 the amount of energy that Rossi is claiming for his gadget.
Far from being a vindication for Rossi or LENR in general, it is an admission that there is no "there" there. Keep in mind that Aussi Guy hasn't even demonstrated that a 1-Watt reactor is real. All he's done is order some gadgets from companies that claim to be able to produce 1-Watt.
Kullander is deeply skeptical of the proton capture of nickel, believes that there are other possibilities. He outlined a number of them, but I must return later. I can not enough to sum up the piece. He was puzzled by the presence of natural copper in the ash, but a detailed isotopic analysis is expected to be ready for Christmas. [LINK]This would be the first bit of actual evidence (as opposed to unsubstantiated claims), that would go a long way towards either proving or disproving Rossi's claims.
We're still waiting...
Apparently, his "secret" factory is much larger than anyone would have guessed, to be able to produce one million devices in the next several months.
It's a shame that with a million devices, he is apparently unable to spare even one such device for Aussie Guy.
By the way, we're still waiting for the name of even one legitimate customer.
“The source will work remotely with our local uni to get them operational.” .... in other words it isn’t working
“The source has received an up front payment.” The money is gone whether it works or it doesn’t.
Scam confirmed
Real businesses don’t buy stuff unless they confirm it is working upon delivery. They would never have handed over any money other than the shipping cost.
Scam confirmedI've been following this (and other) discussions on the Vortex-1 mailing list for the last few months. Assuming that Aussie Guy is legit (all we have to judge him are his anonymous posts on this list), he seems desperate to "prove" that cold fusion is real, and that he's willing to throw money around to be the one who proves it.Real businesses don’t buy stuff unless they confirm it is working upon delivery. They would never have handed over any money other than the shipping cost.
In other words, Aussie Guy is the ideal chump for any cold fusion con men.
>> Assuming that Aussie Guy is legit (all we have to judge him are his anonymous posts on this list)...
Hey, if you read it on the Internetz, you can be confident that Aussie Guy *is* real. What more substantial evidence would one need? There’s no way he could be Rossi’s sock puppet or anything like that.
But Rossi has had lots of time. Deadlines are starting to be missed; customers are not being identified.
I am starting to suspect there is no there, there.
Starting? You haven’t been following this for very long, have you?
I have been following E-cat and Cold Fusion since Lenin first discovered the phenomenon in Saint Petersburg in 1918.
lol! Perfect.
Rossi is starting to look like a software developer.
So that means they aren't up to the performance level of a hot plate.
FPE must mean anomalous, unpredictable, and commercially useless.
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
The more eyes on the quicker the progress. How many car manufacturers were there in 1909? Cold fusion technology could end up the same way for a few years.
We are one the cusp. Months now instead of decades or years.
I was always jealous of my grandfather. He got to see the development and commercialization of the telephone, automobile, flight, television (black and white and color), first man on the moon (he cried), and all of the changes those brought for good and evil in the world.
I’m happy to know that all wonder and achievement hasn’t been bred and trained out of the human species.
I asked God for proof of His existence, I got it.
I will need just as much from a human.
I have been following E-cat and Cold Fusion since Algore first discovered the phenomenon in a whorehouse in Thailand in 1903........
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
I believe that there are physical processes available to humans as tool builders that we have NOT discovered or learned to manipulate to our advantage.
Whether F&P could replicate or not they uncovered something in low temperature physics that had been overlooked.
I believe just what I stated. The more eyes on the quicker the commercialization.
Rossi’s development has brought more attention to the process and possible paths to success than anything in the last 5 years.
I have been following E-cat and Cold Fusion since Christopher Columbus accidently sank the Nina by attempting desktop fusion on the initial journey to America in 1492.
Perfect!
Columbus stole Cold Fusion from the Indians and you know it.
I have been following E-cat and Cold Fusion since Ghengis Khan, Leader of the Mongolian Hordes, first perfected it on horseback.
When Rossi is marched back to jail again, and earns more frequent incarceration miles, cold fusion will sink further into the abyss.
...and just what do you think killed Tutankhamen, hmmm?...............
At 1-Watt the good news he won't need to hook up a big generator to make it work. I wonder if it still needs the 4 hour warm up period, though.
Yes, but in the process he confirmed that it is a scam by the sequence of events he allowed himself to be led through.
Well, I don’t know about all that, but I have been following E-cat and Cold Fusion since Jesus overturned the power company tables in the Temple.
Moses parted the Red Sea with a staff that was powered by Cold Fusion..........
When Rossi is marched back to jail again, and earns more frequent incarceration miles, cold fusion will sink further into the abyss.
Wanna bet? Name some terms. Something public that we can agree on.
I bet you can't eat 50 eggs.
Now that's what I call a business man and plan with integrity. Is he taking options to buy shares yet?
I was willing to bet during the Freepathon. Loser donates agreed amount in winner’s name. Kevmo wouldn’t go for it.
Powder..patch..ball FIRE!
Step up. Empty words. But I expected that.
Wanna bet?You seem awfully sure of yourself, especially considering that this story is really about someone who is going to extreme measures because Rossi won't/can't sell a working E-Cat.
There is no reason that this guy (Aussie Guy) would be trying to put together his own 1-Watt demonstrator units if there was any chance that Rossi could produce the 10,000-Watt E-Cat units he claims to have. Whether he publicly admits it or not, Aussie Guy has obviously given up on actually getting his hands on an actual E-Cat.
Have you noticed that Rossi still hasn't named a single customer?
Have you noticed that Rossi still hasn't shown any signs of a manufacturing facility, even though he's now claiming that he's going to build <hold pinky to corner of mouth, a'la Dr. Evil> ONE MILLLLION DEVICES by summer.
Have you noticed that Rossi has reneged on his promise to allow various Universities to test the E-Cat? Earlier, he claimed that he sold his house to come up with the money to have that testing done. Now, he claims that independent confirmation of his device is, somehow, detrimental to being able to convince people to buy it. How could independent testing possibly hurt his business, unless the testing would prove that his gadget doesn't actually work?
4) While theoretically it could go on forever, anyone who has done the chess board bet where you double your bets per square knows it doesn't take long to owe more than the Earth's GDP.
Side issues:
a) When will we just call it quits? If nothing happens in two years, I might get a might bit bored.
b) What constitutes a win? Having cousin Cletus verify that his ecat is a hundredbazilions milllion time more efficient than Texas Red hots doesn't, at least to me, constitute much proof.
c) We need to agree on testing methodology, who we would accepts as valid scientists (please, no one select Joseph Newman) and test time. Boiling water for five minutes might seem impressive to the folks on the left side of the bell curve but most folks would not be too impressed.
d)SO, we need a set time of running on it's own, or as Rossi says, "Self Sustaining". I would prefer that any device should be able to power itself but some might consider that a large barrier to entry (so what?).
e) All device must exist and run in an essentially hermetically sealed chamber with all its reactants identified, weighed and their isotopes before and after.
Please no B.S, if you can't beat this guy:
And especially if you're not married to his wife, Morgan Fairchild.
II) Should we have an entry for the best line of B.S. about someone's device how the mafia had it and the kidnapped the designer and now he can't get it to work so they're threatening his wife and he needs us to donate money to get his wife back.
This thing could take on a international life of its own.
I forgot something. We need to measure any nuclear output, Gama Rays, Neutrons, asbestos or lack of any, X-rays, others known and damaging (or) not rays. Obviously devices generating a lot of damaging emissions need to be cordoned off and insulated or whatever they do.
Then if it's OK with everyone, we'll just bury these devices and see what happens in fifty years, and you thought Idiocracy was a movie, ha, it's happening now. Now remember, your Government doesn't lie to you.
Pons 1:1:
In the beginning Cold Fusion created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of Cold Fusion was hovering over the waters.
You’re leaving out the part where Aussie Guy is hunting for alternatives to the E-Cat because Rossi is stalling on selling him one.
***No, he couldn’t afford a 1MW plant.
It’s a shame that with a million devices, he is apparently unable to spare even one such device for Aussie Guy.
***Feel free to put your money down and test his device.
No, I did not miss it.
But Rossi has had lots of time.
***Rossi seems to have accomplished in the last 2 years than most other researchers accomplished in 2 decades. It will all play out soon enough.
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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