Skip to comments.Obama to ask for debt limit hike: Treasury official
Posted on 12/27/2011 8:24:48 AM PST by Hoodat
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say I owe the bank 50 grand and borrow another 10 grand then in liberal logic my debt decreases.
FOR CRYING OUT LOUD WILL THESE IDIOTS ON THE LEFT GET HALF A BRAIN.
The more you borrow the more debt you go in , FRIGGING IDIOTS.
This is all part of the unread part of the budgetary SCAM Boener and the rest of the incompetent traitors voted for back then.
See - we were TOLD that there could be no further debt limit deals without massive cuts by that unconstitutional “super-committee”.
Unfortunately, the idiots fell for the rest of the scam - leaving a wide-open door for Obama to get to raise the debt ceiling without Congress even having to approve of it. The only way to prevent another debt limit raise is for CONgress to vote NO (that would be BOTH HOUSES). So Obummer just had to wait until CONgress adjourned for the Christmas/Holiday break, then raise the debt limit. Congress won’t be back in “business” for anything in 15 days - and even if Boehner could grow a pair and call CONgress back to vote this down (which he is unlikely to do), Reid won’t - so Obama gets his additional cash to buy more votes and to pay off his political buddies - all without Congressional authorization (because they already gave it to him).
The government never has enough of your money.
Just think. Barry Soetoro, the wife and kids will be out of the White House and sitting on their asses on some beach in Hawaii someday while we’re all going to be stuck with paying these trillions of dollars back. The people living in this country are fools. I wonder if those morons have a plan.
Some Facts About the Debt Limit
Some Facts About the Debt Limit
Of the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling we have now, $4.5 trillion got added by Democrat-controlled Congresses since taking control in 2007. That corresponds exactly with the expansion in spending by Democratic Congresses over the same period:
It happens every time. I’m 53 years old and as long as I’ve been alive, the GOP has caved like “gentleman” and given in to the leftists. Puke. I want street fighters. I want my politicians to gouge eyes and kick groins.
The sad fact is, the GOP truly is socialist lite. We conservatives have no representation.
If the Tea Party would become a true political party and run 3rd party candidates, I would support them and quit voting GOP. Screw Perry and Gingrich. I know it might be throwing my vote away, but if the Tea Party declared as a political party and ran conservative candidates and had its own PAC and organization, I would happily vote for the Tea Party candidate.
I’m getting to the point where I may not be able to support the lesser of evils much longer and either start voting 3rd party or just go Galt and quit voting altogether.
I don’t want to go there, but my primary vote hasn’t counted in decades. I always get a RINO GOP establishment candidate shoved down my throat.
I’m very close to going Galt. I’m 2 more idiot GOP surrenders away from writing in Palin for President and you know what that is? That is a vote for Obama, my FRiend, and I am on the verge of “frankly my dear”, not giving a damn.
The Gelded Old Pansies fights by Marquess of Queensberry rules in a street fight with brawlers.
During the debt ceiling “fight” the debt ceiling was at $14.3 trillion. When Congress surrendered and agreed to the Senate deal put out by the Democrats, they authorized raising the debt ceiling by an additional $2.1 trillion to $16.4 trillion. They did not ask for it at that time, just authorized it.
The details are here.
All they are doing is going through the motions to raise the debt ceiling to the authorized amount of $16.4 trillion. This is no surprise. We knew Obama would spend every penny the gutless GOP agreed to. We, the American People, lost the debt ceiling battle the moment the GOP caved and agreed to the Senate proposal.
That said, this is not a NEW debt ceiling increase & fight. That will be coming up shortly, since Obama & Reid know they can count on McGutless & Boner to cave in to them over and over, like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown over and over. But that is not happening at this time. They are just raising the debt ceiling to the full amount the cowardly yellow GOP agreed to.
Opps, I forgot to post that link to the details of the August agreement:
It is bloomberg, so no excerpt allowed.
Bingo. The RINOs bring a letter opener to a gun fight. They can’t even muster a sharp knife.
What an embarrassment, but worse than that. There goes our constitutional Republic down the drain. I thank the Lord in Heaven that I lived when a remnant of freedom for man still existed in the USA. I fear for future generations that they will not know freedom. It has taken me all my 53 years to fully realize that I didn’t have a modicum of freedom that Americans had pre-Civil War, let alone pre-1960s. But at least I had a good measure of it in my lifetime. 50-100 years from now, there will only be regulated, controlled oppression.
It is so sad what we are losing and the GOP are complicit in assisting the DNC and MSM traitors.
I don't think so. Way before we get to a "1984" lifestyle, I think there will be a second Civil War that will be about as big and divided along the same lines. We need the socialist/individualists to have it out. Let them have there Socialist Utopia, we need to carve out a large chunk for the New Republic.
The groundwork for The Next Great Republican Capitulation is being laid even as we speak.
The smell of BoehnerDefeat hangs heavy in the air, as our grandchildren head off to lifelong debt slavery. Because you KNOW he’ll cave.
Actually, it is a vote for Palin. Nothing more and nothing less. You're still allowed to vote for whomever you choose in this country, at least until Der Leader dissolves Congress.
nations borrowing NEEDS ???
are we building a new mcmansion for the jeffersons ???
any of us *plannin* the future use of buying gas and groceries, and payin the mortgage AND the other credit cards by using a cc, we'd be in the streets pretty quickly...
serious question, do we spend the first cent on foreign aid to coountries that are buyin our toxic paper ???
i know thats just a drop in the bucket,even though we cant seem to produce the required ships and planes for actual Constitutional duties, but im lookin at the principles involved, and the overwhelming evidence of kabuki three card monte being run by both parties...has been for a long time, and isnt going to stop until the boss makes em stop...
This is gonna go over like a lead brick - unless there are REAL spending cuts in the request ....
The PEOPLE are gonna say - with the LAST debt limit increase, there was the “Super Commission” that did NOTHING ...
Why should we pay for this debt limit increase now - WITHOUT spending cuts ...
As I remember Obama gets the second 1.2T automatically and it doesnt even require a vote. That was part of the Boehner I got 95% of what I wanted deal and is a done deal.
To block this congress would need 60 votes in the Senate.
Our historic President, Barack Obama the first anti-American president will now demonstrate how an anti-capitalist marxist socialist bankrupts America and ruins the free market private sector economy.
I hope they all get fired before taxes hit 90%.
Won't happen. Think Laffer Curve. Historically, people stop working, vacate the high tax region, engage in the underground economy or otherwise shield themselves from taxation.
Its already a slavery levels now, and more than half the population is unproductive and lives off the teat.
Besides, its mathematically impossible to pay any portion of the debt or even cover debt service through taxation. We passed that exit several trillion dollars ago.
And if that isn't bad enough, the Federal Reserve has granted both foreign and domestic banks and corporations with $16 Trillion backed by only the "full faith and credit" of the US Fer'al Government.
IOW, our fiat money is indeed Monopoly Money and the only reason its still used is that we are fools and the people we trade with are fools.
The point when we wake up and refuse to accept the dollar but rather take something else in trade is when the balloon violently explodes
” any of us *plannin* the future use of buying gas and groceries, and payin the mortgage AND the other credit cards by using a cc, we’d be in the streets pretty quickly...”
Why yes...we did. This one is squarely on the Republicans. This lil ditty was hidden in the bill from the American public.
Law makers knew that the need for an additional debt limit increase would fall about the time they went on break.
Included in the original debt ceiling increase was an opportunity for lawmakers to come back to Washington for a vote of displeasure in regards to the second debt limit hike.
This would give lawmakers a way of lodging their voice against the hike without actually having the ability to stop it. Just in time for the election cycle.
What a bunch of weasels. I'm calling Kevin Brady's office and let’m know how underhanded this is.
If Kevin Brady (R) were the last republican on the planet, I'd vote against him for voting in favor of the debt ceiling hike and not standing firm.
We do not have a two party system y'all. There are those who go to Washington and make noise, but at the end of the day....theres not a dimes (or a trillions) worth of difference between these two parties.
This is the exact reason folks like Tom Tancredo, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot, Bachman and the like are marginalized, they stand outside the status quo and stand for policy that could actually turn the ship around.
Can't have that in Warshington...oh no. Let's givem a lil more compassionate conservatism or run The Maverick for Change McCain.
Newt, Mitt, Perry ARE the establishment.
No, I disagree. You will become a principled voter.
Don't let others decide who you should vote for.
If we keep fishing from the same ol pond, were gonna keep catchin the same ol big mouth bass.
In order to begin real change in government, it will take brave individuals to step out of the boat.
Now day’z, if you mention voting 3rd party, you get railed on relentlessly.
Turn that around for a moment. If republicans want my conservative independent vote, they need to fix their party, fix their candidates.
If republicans vote republican cause it's....well republican, they are the ones who are complicit in the destruction of America. Not you!
You're trying to make a change, they're voting the status quo, year after year after year after year.
That is casting the comfortable vote, not a vote that will facilitate real conservative change.
Could you imagine the shock waves that would reverberate through he Democrat and Republican establishment if a conservative independent won a 3rd party run?
Just to say, someone like Palin (doesn't have to be Palin) garnered 42% of the vote? These weasels up in Warshington would be scurrying for political cover.
Oh what a day it would be!
What a shock.
When will China tell obama to go f*** himself? They must know they will never get their money back, but they will give him even more?
Never vote for any piece of legislation that violates the Constitutions strict limits on government power.
Will not participate in the congressional pension system.
Exercise authority within the confines of the Constitution, and work to rein in a runaway federal government by binding it with the chains of that document.
What’s a “vacation”?
just more of the same one sided coin, and more than ever, makes my resolution to stick to my principles that much more determined...
about ready to start actively praying *for* a brutal crash of the system, so we can get beyond all the fear of the unknown crap and commence the rebuilding...
China is no longer purchasing US Treasury bonds. Our deficit is being funded exclusively by expanding the money supply. It’s the same thing the Weimar Republic did during the 1920’s.
Don’t write the check. Emergency meeting of the House, pass the STOP clause to the failed committee agreement.
Reading the committee agreement— if this IS allowed, then mcconnell, boehner, the lot of them need to go— NOW. this is sheer insanity.
Resist we... NOT? (Much?).
The SOB makes a big deal about a 2 month 40 dollar “cut” and then goes on a 4M plus vacay, then mentions— oh by the way daddy, my credit card is maxed out— need 1.2 Trill. My Lord, Almighty!
If reuters is making any rare sense, this is for the 2012 NON budget. Supposedly the 100Bil cap is being met through Dec. 30 2011. Good Lord, deliver us.
If we do that enough, we will change the GOP which is, IMHO, about the only chance we have at this point of avoiding a very bad train wreck.
Heck, we are in the midst of one already.
They set it up so the money is automatically pre-approved for borrowed by the treasury but congress can have a symbolic vote against it so individuals can vote against it without actually stopping it without getting blamed for shutting anything down, there-by symbolically voting against the debt with no effect.
It's silly anyway because congress just spent that money with the budget passed just before Christmas including the FICA tax cut extensions, so now they get a symbolic vote against the debt they just ran up.
The important thing is that Republicans are not as bad as Democrats because their symbolic votes look much better than the real bills they pass together. So vote Republican!
I'm one of the lucky ones...I just enjoyed my second anniversary of uninterrupted employment, and was able to take two weeks last summer.
It was my first "real" time off in at least five years, and we took advantage of it. Drove from Dallas to LA/Disneyland (via I-10), then up to Yosemite, Reno, and back on I-40.
The new bridge at Hoover Dam chopped an hour off the route from Vegas to AZ.
The August hike wasn't the first debt ceiling hike he demanded and got, and I believe he's lookin for another hike...
The bottom line is that the August hike was supposed to get us through until Feb 2013. Time wise, we are only 27% of the way there, but have already gone through 50% of the limit.
Actually, according to liberal logic, as long as you use a portion of the 10 grand in debt cieling increase to "pay your bills", your spending is perfectly responsible.
Prime example: FOOD.