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Iowa GOP Caucus Poll: Paul 27.5%, Newt 25.3%, Mitt 17.5% (Romney Tanking in Iowa?)
ISU/Gazette/KCRG Poll ^ | 12-21-2011 | James McCormick, Dave Peterson, Mike Ferlazzo

Posted on 12/27/2011 1:25:30 PM PST by TitansAFC

AMES, Iowa -- A new Iowa State University/Gazette/KCRG poll of 333 likely Iowa Republican caucus goers finds Ron Paul in the top spot among GOP presidential candidates with 27.5 percent, followed closely by Newt Gingrich with 25.3 percent. Paul's lead over Gingrich is within the poll's margin of error at plus or minus 5 percentage points.

Mitt Romney is in third place at 17.5 percent, while Rick Perry is the only other candidate to poll in double digits at 11.2.

While Paul's lead is just over 2 percentage points and easily within the poll's margin of error, it may actually be more solid than it appears.

"What our poll says is that 51 percent of Paul's supporters say they're definitely backing him," said James McCormick, professor and chair of political science at Iowa State and coordinator of the poll. "The percentage for the next two candidates is much weaker, at 16.1 for Mitt Romney and 15.2 for Newt Gingrich. Moreover, the percentage of respondents 'leaning to' or 'still undecided' in their support for these latter two candidates remains high, at 58 percent for Gingrich and 38 percent for Romney. In other words, I'm going to make the case that these numbers are still very soft for those two candidates."

"I think Paul probably under-polls," said Dave Peterson, interim director of the Harkin Institute of Public Policy at Iowa State and associate professor of political science who assisted with the poll. "His supporters are younger and more likely to reply on a cell phone, so he's probably going to perform better than his polling suggests. His supporters also are dedicated and will likely turn out on caucus night and not change their minds."

With less than two week to go until the Jan. 3 Iowa Caucuses, the race still remains remarkably fluid. Asked how certain they were of their choice, 37.8 percent of respondents indicated that they were still trying to decide and another 34.1 percent answered that they were only leaning towards one candidate. Only 28.1 percent indicated that they had definitely decided who they would support.

"Because we surveyed the same likely caucus goers in November [data collected between Nov. 1 and 13], these results do indicate some movement to strengthening the commitment to a particular candidate," McCormick said. "In November, only 16.5 percent indicated that they had definitely committed to a candidate....


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: gingrich; ia2012; iowacaucus; newt; paul; romney
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1 posted on 12/27/2011 1:25:42 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

This poll is almost a week old.


2 posted on 12/27/2011 1:29:28 PM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: TitansAFC

Even if Paul wins Iowa, I doubt he will win little else. I should hope most Americans are smarter than that.


3 posted on 12/27/2011 1:29:47 PM PST by mtg
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To: TitansAFC

“I think Paul probably under-polls,”
“His supporters also are dedicated and will likely turn out on caucus night and not change their minds.”

Heard all of this crap in 2008, too.
Turned out much of this Ron Paul “Support!” was actually LaRouche Democrats, Libertarians, and Internet nutjobs who can’t actually VOTE in an Iowa Republican Primary.

And a media intent on doing as much damage to the Republican Brand as possible, to elect the god-like Messiah Obama.


4 posted on 12/27/2011 1:30:24 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: TitansAFC

GO GINGRICH!


5 posted on 12/27/2011 1:31:10 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: TitansAFC

Ultimately, what Iowa does will be irrelevant,
but I still find it hard to believe they will go for Ron Paul.


6 posted on 12/27/2011 1:31:58 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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With our without RP, Iowa caucus is meaningless. It should be shunned into the dustbin of primary history. I wish that candidates would pass it by next time.


7 posted on 12/27/2011 1:35:22 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: BigEdLB

Correct, but it’s as valid as the week old polls Faux shows.


8 posted on 12/27/2011 1:35:36 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: TitansAFC

Did anyone vett Romney? Were his parents US citizens at time of his birth?
Very important! If Romney is NOT a natural born citizen, we can remove him by bringing it out in the open and get to obumo at the same time!

From author of obamatimeline -
‘Mitt Romney’s parents were, I believe, born in Mexico, to Mormon missionary parents. It is a possibility that Mitt Romney may also not be a natural born citizen, depending on whether his parents became U.S. citizens before he was born. His family owned property in Mexico, and in those years you had to be a Mexican citizen to own property.

That is possibly why Obama desperately wants Romney to be his opponent. Like McCain, his natural born citizen status is questionable. If both candidates have the same problem, Obama has less of a problem.’


9 posted on 12/27/2011 1:40:34 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj; TitansAFC; LucyT; shield
That is possibly why Obama desperately wants Romney to be his opponent. Like McCain, his natural born citizen status is questionable. If both candidates have the same problem, Obama has less of a problem.

Excellent point. Thank you.

10 posted on 12/27/2011 1:42:51 PM PST by thecodont
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To: TitansAFC

Romney will be done after a disappointing finish in NH. Only 2 of 3- Bachmann, Santorum, and Perry will survive Iowa. I think it will be Newt, Perry, Santorum, and Paul going into South Carolina. sC will take care of Paul. Newt and Santorum should see an influx of cash once the field narrows to battle Perry in Florida.


11 posted on 12/27/2011 1:46:41 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: chrisnj
Those of us who have a bunch of years on us will probably recall that in the 1960 presidential race between Nixon and Kennedy that Nixon's Veep candidate was Henry Cabot Lodge [a GOP blue-blood Senator from Mass.]

His parents were also missionaries and Lodge was born in China. There wasn't any fuss about it at the time and I cannot see any trouble with this either.

12 posted on 12/27/2011 1:54:00 PM PST by curmudgeonII (Vocatus atque non vocatus deus aderit.)
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To: BigEdLB

Every time I see a poll that claims Ron Paul is ahead I wonder what is wrong with America!!
What. You want to go from a socialist to a nut case?
We pray for America every day!


13 posted on 12/27/2011 2:03:01 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: TitansAFC

I’m a Gingrich supporter, but false hope is not productive. A poll from 12/21 is near-worthless.


14 posted on 12/27/2011 2:10:39 PM PST by BCrago66
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To: TitansAFC

Those Iowans who should know better had better get out and work harder to keep the Kook off the ticket.


15 posted on 12/27/2011 2:16:12 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: chrisnj

Mitt’s father George, was born in Mexico -
a child born in Mexico to U.S. citizens is a Mexican citizen, under Mexican jurisdiction.

Under Mexican law, such a child is a natural born Mexican citizen.
When George Romney was brought back to USA as a child, George needs to be naturalized to be US citizen. Was he ever naturalized? If not, then he was a Mexican citizen when Mitt was born, and Mitt is NOT a natural born citizen.

Obumo knows this and wants to run against Mitt so they can confuse everybody again!

Gingrich should point this out and start a debate on whether Mitt and obama are article 2 natural born citizen! That should kill 2 birds with 1 stone!


16 posted on 12/27/2011 2:34:17 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj
a child born in Mexico to U.S. citizens is a Mexican U.S. citizen, regardless of what a bunch of Paul-bots and Obamao-bots want you to believe.

Seems we went through this shiite four years ago with McCain.

17 posted on 12/27/2011 2:42:58 PM PST by ssaftler ("John Galt, we need you!")
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To: curmudgeonII

‘There wasn’t any fuss about it at the time and I cannot see any trouble with this either.’
Of course there won’t be any trouble with this now either, because they want to keep obumo! Mitt’s nbc issue will never see the daylight just like obumo’s!

That is the sad part - they are trying hard to set precedent! And we let them!
If we let them then we might as well tear up the constitution.


18 posted on 12/27/2011 2:44:26 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: D-fendr
"Iowa caucus is meaningless. It should be shunned into the dustbin of primary history. I wish that candidates would pass it by next time."

There is a reason campaigns campaign in Iowa. True, Iowa doesn't always pick the winner, but it is early, and that can mean much to a campaign.

19 posted on 12/27/2011 2:49:59 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: TitansAFC

Enough! Take control! Raise Cain now!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/oXvJ8UquYoo


20 posted on 12/27/2011 2:52:06 PM PST by Paperdoll (on the cutting edge)
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To: thecodont; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
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Here's a thought:

That is possibly why 0bummer desperately wants Romney to be his opponent. Like McCain, his natural born citizen status is questionable. If both candidates have the same problem, 0bummer has less of a problem.

Thanks thecodont.

21 posted on 12/27/2011 2:53:57 PM PST by LucyT
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To: ssaftler

Let us see-
a child born in US to Mexican parents is a US citizen (birthright citizen).
a child born in Mexico to US citizens is a US citizen.

wow, it is so easy to be US citizen!
AND
Mexico does not have a say to a child born within its jurisdiction just because the parents are US citizens!?

McCain had to be declared by law (by obama sponsored resolution 511) to be a nbc.
nbc is ‘natural born’, citizenship by law means NOT natural born.
You need to go thru this shitte again until you get it.


22 posted on 12/27/2011 2:57:55 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: Designer

You’re correct, its value to campaigns is that it’s the first, and that’s also by design for Iowa to have the money and influence that this brings.

If I were king though, it would not continue in this. It doesn’t deserve it and it distorts the primary too much in the wrong direction. Iowa’s caucus process is particularly weird and ripe for manipulation. The results are nigh meaningless.

So, it’s a wish on my part: that, somehow, it be rejected and removed from its current status.

thanks for your reply.


23 posted on 12/27/2011 2:58:13 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: TitansAFC

If so, God bless the Iowa Republicans!


24 posted on 12/27/2011 3:13:30 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama means crooked.)
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To: TitansAFC

Poll is a week old but the internals are interesting.

One thing that jumped out at me was that Perry was doing so well among those who defined themselves as slightly liberal.


25 posted on 12/27/2011 3:25:55 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: TitansAFC

This percentage for Paul is absurd. There’s NO way, that’s NO way, he gets 27.5% of the vote based on county by county demographics and analysis.

There’s only TWO ways this happens. Large numbers of Huckabee, Thompson, McCain, and Romney voters from 2008 support Paul in 2012 (Highly unlikely) OR Infiltration of the Iowa Caucuses by the Democrat Party.

Paul maxes out at 16%. I’ll be eager to see the results for each of the 99 counties as they roll in. Whatever doesn’t smell right, I’ll quickly point out based on the chart I compiled.


26 posted on 12/27/2011 3:29:10 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: TitansAFC
Why all the hype about a caucus?

Who cares who wins in Iowa.

27 posted on 12/27/2011 3:31:24 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Burke)
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To: TitansAFC

Means that all the Liberal hit pieces on Ron Paul....parroted by the Liberal RINO media...have had no effect


28 posted on 12/27/2011 3:32:53 PM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: chrisnj

Nearly 50 years ago we learned about Jus Sanguinis and Jus Soli in school. Those terms were not used but the principles were and the formula was either/or. Obama is a citizen, Romney is a citizen, McCain is a citizen - and all are natural born rather than naturalized by a process and a judge.

Obama’s life since birth is full of so many evasions, lies, obfuscations, enigmas, illusions, frauds, and possible crimes.


29 posted on 12/27/2011 3:38:28 PM PST by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: chrisnj
Gingrich should point this out and start a debate on whether Mitt and obama are article 2 natural born citizen! That should kill 2 birds with 1 stone!

Not a Gingrich supporter, but I would practically worship the guy if he really did that.

30 posted on 12/27/2011 3:54:40 PM PST by Marathoner ("Government is not reason. Government is not eloquence. It is force." George Washington)
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To: curmudgeonII

“Those of us who have a bunch of years on us will probably recall that in the 1960 presidential race between Nixon and Kennedy that Nixon’s Veep candidate was Henry Cabot Lodge [a GOP blue-blood Senator from Mass.]

“His parents were also missionaries and Lodge was born in China.”

That does not appear to be true.

http://www.nndb.com/people/277/000112938/


31 posted on 12/27/2011 4:17:48 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: ssaftler

Wasn’t McCain cleared to run because his parents were out of the country with the Navy.


32 posted on 12/27/2011 4:18:42 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: D-fendr
"Iowa’s caucus process is particularly weird and ripe for manipulation."

The caucus process may seem weird, but that is actually the begining of the political season. in it, each precinct meets as a group, wherein the participants nominate their choice of candidates, elect delegates, start the platform process, and a few other housekeeping chores.

The meetings are open only to residents of their respective precincts, and the Republicans are on a list.

The democrats do things differently. They form groups within their precincts, and count delegates. The group with the most delegates "wins", but there is considerable campaigning between groups, meaning that before the final count, people can and do move between groups. Progressively larger groups are thus formed until no further movement is seen, whereupon the final count is made, which designates their choice of candidate.

As far as I know, the Republicans and democrats meet on the same evening, thus making it nearly impossible for anyone to be in both caucuses. The process has its own checks and balances.

If someone wishes to caucus with the opposing party, they used to have to be registered by a certain cutoff date, but since there is now same-day registration, I don't know for sure if there is a cutoff date.

33 posted on 12/27/2011 6:05:40 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: lonestar
"Wasn’t McCain cleared to run because his parents were out of the country with the Navy."

A child born to U.S. citizens can be born anywhere in the world, and he is a U.S. Citizen.

34 posted on 12/27/2011 6:11:21 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: TitansAFC

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bum.


35 posted on 12/27/2011 6:12:58 PM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: RealImmigrant

As unlikely as it looked two months ago, I suppose there is now a very real possibility after IA, NH, NV, SC, and FL that it could in fact be Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul as #1 and #2 in delegate count.

What an odd place that would be after FL, eh?


36 posted on 12/27/2011 6:38:13 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mitt Romney gets less bang for the buck than John-Freaking-Huntsman.)
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To: Designer
Exactly.

Our caucus, being the very first, is a long way from the election. In politics, even a week can seem like a lifetime.

I agree with the philosophy of many campaign managers in the past. The important thing in Iowa is to come out of it in the top three contenders. No lower than fourth.

The whittling down of the number of candidates has to start somewhere.

37 posted on 12/27/2011 7:22:30 PM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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To: chrisnj; LucyT

Mitt Romney was born in Detroit and his mother Lenore was born in Logan, Utah. His father George was born a U.S. Citizen in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907. George’s parents were both born in Utah and were U.S. Citizen’s on a Mormon mission in Chihuahua at the time of his birth.

The parents of his grandmother Anna Amelia (Pratt) Romney both died in Chihuahua. Her father was born in Iowa and her mother was a German immigrant.


38 posted on 12/27/2011 7:29:36 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: lonestar
Wasn’t McCain cleared to run because his parents were out of the country with the Navy.

Mitt Romney was born in Detroit, Michigan.
39 posted on 12/27/2011 7:32:26 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

The question about Mitt is —if his father was born in Mexico.


40 posted on 12/27/2011 7:44:16 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: jimfree
Obama is a citizen, Romney is a citizen, McCain is a citizen - and all are natural born rather than naturalized by a process and a judge.

Now just a bleepin second, you can't say that with a straight face.

BHO Senior was a British Subject.

41 posted on 12/27/2011 7:58:17 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: lonestar
The question about Mitt is —if his father was born in Mexico.

You can't read?

His father George was born a U.S. Citizen in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907.

So why does it matter where his father was born? It only matters where Mitt was born and whether or not his parents were citizens of the United States at the time of his birth. Both of his parents were citizens of the United States throughout their entire lives!

Do you have evidence that says otherwise?
42 posted on 12/28/2011 1:50:20 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
BHO Senior was a British Subject.

And Mama was a (radical) U.S. citizen. Now if you want to argue that they gave away citizenship in Indonesia that's fine. Place of birth is not the important factor here.

43 posted on 12/28/2011 3:05:37 AM PST by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 11 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: jimfree
and all are natural born

You have some proof that 0bama is a natural born citizen of this country?
44 posted on 12/28/2011 4:48:58 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: jimfree

‘but the principles were and the formula was either/or.’
that is what the modern pundits want you to believe. Supreme court cases, founding father’s correspondence and “Law of Nations’ all point to Jus Sanguinis AND Jus Soli.

That is why Congress should clarify this, but we all know they are too chicken to do so.


45 posted on 12/28/2011 5:56:24 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: Brown Deer
You can't read?

No.

Isn't FR for illiterates?

46 posted on 12/28/2011 5:57:20 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Designer

‘A child born to U.S. citizens can be born anywhere in the world, and he is a U.S. Citizen.’
Yes the child can be a US citizen but he is NOT a natural born citizen, one who has undivided loyalty or sole allegiance to USA. After all, the child was born under a foreign jurisdiction and subject to that jurisdiction thru parentage.

Consider this -
a child born in USA to foreign parents (say Mexican) can be a US citizen, but as far as his parents’ country (Mexico) is concerned, the child is their citizen (i.e. a Mexican) by parentage. The child is under Mexican jurisdiction as well as US jurisdiction, so he/she has dual citizenship and multiple allegiance, which means he/she is NOT a natural born citizen elig to be the pres of USA

Sole allegiance is the main issue!


47 posted on 12/28/2011 6:11:06 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: TitansAFC
There still remains a 1,000 pound Gorilla in the room.

For over 40% of the electorate who are not being counted and remain “undecided”, the turnout in Iowa may shock the World; Knowing that we only have a choice between Paul and Romney, coming from all the Democrat funded (And commissioned) Polls.

Or the only other possibility is, that the numbers somehow became reversed between Newt and Romney, in order to reflect all the other MSM polling.

48 posted on 12/28/2011 6:11:50 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Brown Deer

‘His father George was born a U.S. Citizen in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907’
That his father was born a US citizen is debatable at best.
He was born under Mexican jurisdiction. He is a Mexican as far as Mexico is concerend. Actually as far as USA is concerned he can be a Mexican.
Probably the US and Mexican laws on citizenship at that time would determine his citizenship.
In the absence of any Mexican or USA laws on citizenship at work back then, had George gone through naturalization to be a US citizen prior to Mitt’s birth, then definitely George would have been a US citizen at time of Mitt’s birth.
So there is doubt about George Romney’s US citizenship at time of Mitt’s birth.
With soetor/obama, it is clear cut case - o was born to a Brit citizen father, birth place unkonwn.
soeotor/obama is NOT an article 2 nbc and is NOT elig to be the pres of USA.


49 posted on 12/28/2011 6:35:08 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: Brown Deer

‘His father George was born a U.S. Citizen in Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico in 1907.’
Do you know for a fact that George was born a ‘US citizen’ when he was born in Mexico?!
Mexican laws on citizenship have a say about a child born on its soil. As far as USA is concerned George can be a Mexican!

We can read, but your statement is not based on facts!
There is doubt if George was indeed born a US citizen. Reason - he was born on Mexican soil under Mexican jurisdiction!
If George was not born a US citizen and had never naturalized to be US citizen prior to Mitt’s birth then Mitt was NOT born to a US citizen father, hence not a nbc!


50 posted on 12/28/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by chrisnj
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