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Audit of the Federal Reserve Reveals $16 Trillion in Secret Bailouts
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Posted on 12/27/2011 6:08:43 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2

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To: Iam1ru1-2

JP Morgan was Soros’. Wonder how many others he has his hand in?


51 posted on 12/27/2011 9:23:29 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So what Congress got was a copy of Deloitte&Touche audit, nothing more?

No, they got an additional audit.

Ah. So did the 'additional' audit reflect the same data the Deloitte&Touche audit presented?

Deadbeats keep defaulting, or threatening to default.

How is it possible to be a 'deadbeat' and keep defaulting, or threatening to default IF the loans have been repaid?

The banks aren't the deadbeats, it's mortgage borrowers and governments like Greece.

I consider this explanation splitting of hairs as some banks got into the mortgage lending business, and I know of no bank on this earth that is NOT quazi connected to some form of government/politics.

I do not believe you when you say the FED does NOT play with TAXPAYERS dollars...

Why would the Fed need taxpayer dollars when they can create trillions of their own?

The FED dollars have NO value unless backed by the full credit of the US government. Whatever action they take ultimately trickles down through the economy slowly or a full frontal assault.

unless some hidden law has been passed is 'we the people' and they do not have one thin dime without first taking it from US.

Did the Fed ding your paycheck when they created the new money? I didn't notice a change in mine either.

Indirectly yes the actions and activities by the FED to pick the life's lottery winners that are by your definition turn out to be deadbeat defaulters, or threatening to default has an impact on the economy as a whole. The FED has been in up to its collective eyeballs to sustain the Keynesian style economies. Keynesian economics has never worked and it is NOT going to magically turn a corner.

52 posted on 12/27/2011 9:34:46 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
It's safe to say that the $16 trillion in loans has been repaid if the outstanding balance is down to $13 million.

If this is the case, then why the deficit of 16 trillion?

53 posted on 12/27/2011 9:36:32 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: takenoprisoner
If this is the case, then why the deficit of 16 trillion?

There is not now, nor was there every, a deficit of 16 trillion.

The Fed’s actual lending to banks and financial companies at its single-day peak, Dec. 5, 2008, was $1.2 trillion.

54 posted on 12/27/2011 10:26:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
There is not now, nor was there every, a deficit of 16 trillion.

So all this chatter about trillions of dollars in deficit spending is a hoax. Cool. We can all relax now. Thanks for setting the record straight.

55 posted on 12/27/2011 10:35:36 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: takenoprisoner
So all this chatter about trillions of dollars in deficit spending is a hoax.

This is in reference to loans made by the Federal Reserve. It has nothing to do with deficit spending.

56 posted on 12/27/2011 10:40:30 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: bgill
JP Morgan was Soros’. Wonder how many others he has his hand in?

Or which ones does he not have his hands in their pockets?

BTW, your tag line is on the money. Obama is executing a coup d'etat. And, with little, to no, opposition.

57 posted on 12/27/2011 10:52:01 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: Doe Eyes
This is in reference to loans made by the Federal Reserve. It has nothing to do with deficit spending.

Ok, let me see if I have this straight. All the bailout "loans" have been repaid, less a few million. So why do we have a 16 trillion dollar deficit? Subsidizing Nike's Air Jordons?

58 posted on 12/27/2011 11:12:51 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Bookmark


59 posted on 12/27/2011 11:13:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Just mythoughts
Did the Fed ding your paycheck when they created the new money? I didn't notice a change in mine either.

You haven't noticed your dollar is become worth less and less?

I'm no financial expert, but flooding the country with trillions of their "newly created money" did is not making the dollar worth less and less? And who got those trillions Todd?

60 posted on 12/27/2011 11:20:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I am beginning to think there are a few stealth Keynesian economist believers that would never say anything in opposition to the FED.
61 posted on 12/27/2011 11:24:19 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

Uh....ah....I do believe you’re correct.


62 posted on 12/27/2011 11:26:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: takenoprisoner

You are confusing, 1) debt with deficit, and 2) Federal Debt with the Federal Reserve.


63 posted on 12/27/2011 11:27:14 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
You are confusing, 1) debt with deficit, and 2) Federal Debt with the Federal Reserve.

Got it.

1. There is no deficit spending, and no debt.

2. Federal spending, which increases debt, which calls for the printing of more money, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve.

hand palm slaps the forehead. What was I thinking?

64 posted on 12/27/2011 11:53:54 PM PST by takenoprisoner (Constitutional Conservatism is Americanism.)
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To: Jukeman

Dude, seriously. Very scary we been hijacked!


65 posted on 12/28/2011 12:12:54 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

bookmark


66 posted on 12/28/2011 5:06:32 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: Steve Newton

+1


67 posted on 12/28/2011 5:13:57 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (ROMNEY / ALINSKY 2012 (don't zot me bro, it's sarcasm)
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To: zeugma

All we have is the “Good faith and credit” promise and the faith is all but gone so nothing much is left but credit and that is about dried up as well.


68 posted on 12/28/2011 8:31:38 AM PST by Jukeman (No Romney, No Bush, No Trump. No, No, No. Never. Final Word!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2; takenoprisoner; All
Here is the location of the subject GAO audit for those who value original documents.
69 posted on 12/28/2011 8:41:19 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: takenoprisoner
It's safe to say that the $16 trillion in loans has been repaid if the outstanding balance is down to $13 million.

If this is the case, then why the deficit of 16 trillion?

The banks that borrowed from the Fed have repaid the Fed. The Treasury has borrowed from the world and not repaid their bonds. Clear?

70 posted on 12/28/2011 9:45:23 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Just mythoughts
The additional audit included more detail.

It's not splitting hairs. Europe still has a banking crisis because the "safe" government bonds they own are in danger of default by deadbeat governments.

The dollars the Fed creates do have value. You have some in your wallet right now. And they didn't come from the taxpayer.

No, the money the Fed created did not come out of your paycheck. It did not increase the debt of the government.

71 posted on 12/28/2011 9:50:26 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: dragnet2
You haven't noticed your dollar is become worth less and less?

Worth less compared to what? Over what time frame?

I'm no financial expert, but flooding the country with trillions of their "newly created money" did is not making the dollar worth less and less?

Trillions that were repaid? No.

And who got those trillions Todd?

Banks mostly.

72 posted on 12/28/2011 9:53:55 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: takenoprisoner
1. There is no deficit spending, and no debt.

There is deficit spending and debt. Both are way too big. Spending must be cut.

2. Federal spending, which increases debt, which calls for the printing of more money, has nothing to do with the Federal Reserve.

Federal spending does not call for the printing of more money, it calls for the borrowing of more money.

Government borrowing has nothing to do with the Fed, it's the responsibility of the Congress.

Got it.

I don't think you do.

What was I thinking?

You weren't.

73 posted on 12/28/2011 9:58:09 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
"That book is full of stupid, silly errors."

Is it really your contention that there is no truth in the book The Creature from Jekyll Island?
Are you from the Flaherty conspiracy poo-pooist camp? Or is it belief in the purity of the FED just helps you sleep at night?

74 posted on 12/28/2011 10:27:10 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?

He has been attacking that book for a long time.

That book is worth reading 5 times over IMHO to let it sink in what is going on.


75 posted on 12/28/2011 10:30:53 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Is it really your contention that there is no truth in the book

I'm sure there are a few true things in there. The huge errors more than make up for the few facts.

76 posted on 12/28/2011 10:37:41 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Doe Eyes
$16 trillion -- The “total transaction amounts” for Fed lending included in a July 21, 2011, study by the Government Accountability Office

That GAO number is so stupid and useless...... This is what our taxes are blown on. These Gov't workers all making more than 100 thousand I am sure

77 posted on 12/28/2011 10:54:45 AM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dennisw
That GAO number is so stupid and useless

No, it is not stupid and useless. Given that it totals more than GDP, it means that the Fed is effectively involved in transactions whose total is the total value of domestic goods and services. This is not just a little thing. We have gotten to the point where monetary/credit transactions executed by the Fed is bigger than real economic transactions. Since total financial transactions are some large multiple of Federal Reserve transactions, it means that the banking system that we are trying to bail out has become a behemoth. While many argue that it is necessary, others might rationally argue that maybe a smaller banking system would be ok.

78 posted on 12/28/2011 11:08:26 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
So it goes without saying:

1. The Fed is incapable of accomplishing its stated objectives.
2. It is a cartel operating against the public interest.
3. It is the supreme instrument of usury.
4. It generates our most unfair tax through inflation and bailouts.
5. It encourages war.
6. It destabilizes the economy.
7. It discourages private capital formation.

All false according to your math...Right?

79 posted on 12/28/2011 11:09:45 AM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: AndyJackson
Given that it totals more than GDP, it means that the Fed is effectively involved in transactions whose total is the total value of domestic goods and services.

No it doesn't.

This is not just a little thing. We have gotten to the point where monetary/credit transactions executed by the Fed is bigger than real economic transactions.

Total loans were about $1.2 trillion. At their peak.

While many argue that it is necessary, others might rationally argue that maybe a smaller banking system would be ok.

Banks have been shrinking their balance sheets.

80 posted on 12/28/2011 11:13:31 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
Number one is partially true.

Numbers two through seven mostly or completely false.

81 posted on 12/28/2011 11:17:52 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Iam1ru1-2
No, no, no! The real issues are deadbeat mortgage consumers and the housing crisis. That's where the 16 trillion went. < /2008 rant >

In reality it's about putting 20 trillion of debt obligation upon the private sector aka taxpayers.

Slavery can also be defined as not being capable of purchasing your freedom.

Taxpayers will never be able to pay off all the debt placed upon them. Therefore they will never be free of obligations to the government ...of the Federal Reserve banks.

82 posted on 12/28/2011 11:18:54 AM PST by Justa
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Fed Once-Secret Loan Crisis Data Compiled by Bloomberg Released to Public Dec 23, 2011 12:01 AM ET
83 posted on 12/28/2011 11:24:18 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
No it doesn't....Total loans were about $1.2 trillion. At their peak

Total transactions were $16T, which is greater than GDP. Unlike loans, GDP counts "economic" transactions, i.e. I build you a garage for $40,000, having spent $20,000 on supplies and buy a car for $20,000 that is $60,000 in GDP. Unlike credit transactions, the sales and the purchase add rather than cancel.

84 posted on 12/28/2011 11:29:36 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?; Toddsterpatriot
Funny how some folks get this entirely backwards. What is factual about #4 is true since granting someone the right to government created money is to grant them a call on goods and services in the economy, which is a form of taxation. Whether it is unfair or the most unfair is a matter of personal opinion. Some argue that the execution of off the public record transactions to benefit a few bankers is highly immoral and/or antidemocratic and/or anticapitalist. Others argue differently.

#6 and #7 are completely true. The resultant inflation in financial assets encourages borrowing of what we must admit is FED and banking system generated money to purchase financial assets betting on their appreciation, the bubble which has now at long last burst despite all the hot air out of Washington DC, NY and the shills for the banking system. Savings (spending less than income and putting the balance in an investment account, i.e. saving money) is thereby discouraged. Greenspan himself admitted that this destablizes the economy, but his excuse was that he did not realize that the stockholders of financial institutions would allow management to put their capital at excessive risk.

#5 use to be true prior to the conclusion of WWII. With all the nuclear weapons lying around waiting for a good use, let us hope that it is not so anymore.

#2 and #3 are political opinions with which one might or might not agree.

One has to know the Fed's objectives to know whether the Fed has accomplished them. If it is to assure the stability of the banking system (i.e. profitability, since an unprofitable banking system is an unstable one), they seem to have accomplished that. Now that is easier than the others since that can be accomplished on the whole by providing banks "loans" at interest rates well below what they can turn around and reloan the money at. Therefore depending upon your view of the stated objectives of the Fed #1 may or may not be the one that is clearly false.

85 posted on 12/28/2011 12:56:05 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Come on...... I don’t like the Fed but they only loaned out 1.5 trillion not 16 trillion. Not counting the TALF contrivance. 1.5 trillion is the Bloomberg calculation

If you borrow $50,ooo from a bank for one year, the GAO way of calculating it would be you borrowed $50,ooo x 365 days amounting to $18,200,000


86 posted on 12/28/2011 1:11:58 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dennisw
Yep, "they only loaned out 1.5 trillion", and from what I've seen they only did so for short periods of time. But they did it without any public knowledge and that resulted in this audit that Congress had to bring about. Toddsterpatriot would have us believe this is common practice but this audit reveals exactly who needed to balance their books and when. That is information not commonly made public.

I don't necessarily believe all 7 of G. Edward Griffin's points responding to Flaherty, but I think the key point is #4 inflation is the gift that just keeps on giving.

It is the reason the Federal Reserve System is coming to an end. As those of us who have read and appreciate Mr. Griffin's book know, this country has a long history of rejecting the desires of bankers.

87 posted on 12/28/2011 4:36:28 PM PST by WhoisAlanGreenspan?
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To: WhoisAlanGreenspan?
But they did it without any public knowledge

If you looked at their balance sheet, you'd see the short term loans they made.

Toddsterpatriot would have us believe this is common practice

Not common practice at all. These programs were emergency measures.

but this audit reveals exactly who needed to balance their books and when. That is information not commonly made public.

That's correct. Until the audit, they never released info on who borrowed at the Discount Window.

88 posted on 12/28/2011 5:56:33 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: dennisw
they only loaned out 1.5 trillion not 16 trillion

In the first place $1.5T is more than "only," not counting the TALF contrivance, among the multitude of alphabet soup "contrivances that were invented to "stabilize the banking system. In the second place, and my point, the total transactional value of the FED's market interventions exceeded the GDP of the country. Now put the usual multiplier on banking system money and you discover that FED generated financial transactions exceeded "real economic" transactions by a large multiplier. (transactions involving the purchase and sale of goods and services including the wonderful service provided by federal state and local governments).

There is another way of viewing this, which is arguably not totally falacious. It is like someone who gambles every day. On any given day he might only have $1000 out on the horses and closes his transactions before taking on the next one, but if he does this every day, and if statistics work (i.e. he at least loses the bookies' fee on every transaction), his risk is not $1000 but considerably more.

Or consider the guy who drinks a quart of vodka every night. Now, he "eliminates it" quickly enough, so at any one time he is body inventory is only, say, 1/2 a pint. The guy has a problem that someone else who only does a 1/2 pint on New Year and his birthday does not have.

And I don't think analogies to drunkards and gamblers are totally irrelevant to our present economic situation.

89 posted on 12/28/2011 6:09:21 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
These programs were emergency measures

To stabilize the banking system and ensure the return to profitability, as you keep telling us.

90 posted on 12/28/2011 6:25:19 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Toddsterpatriot
And who got those trillions Todd?

Banks mostly.

Mostly? Who else got hundreds of billions or trillions Todd?

91 posted on 12/28/2011 6:35:49 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: AndyJackson

What was the emergency?

yuk yuk...


92 posted on 12/28/2011 6:36:40 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
A bunch of bankers made so many bad investments that they were in danger not only of taking down the banking system, but, even worse, they would lose their bonus pool and the chump change they use to ensure the reelection of the vaunted patriots who are running our affairs in DC.

This was such an unprecedented crisis, that they were not even embarassed when they blackmailed the government into bailing them out, while retaining their bonuses. We are all better off for having a banking system, even one like this. Fellow freepers assure me of this and I believe them.

93 posted on 12/28/2011 7:01:23 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
lol...

I'll never ever forget these bailouts, which started under Bush...

I knew at the time, it would be one bailout after another...Lots of corrupt insiders lined up with their hands out, filling the trunks of their limos with cash on their way to parties at AIG.

However, tax payers need not apply for any bailout. Those suckers are on their own, and if they fall behind, they get their asses and assets seized.

94 posted on 12/28/2011 7:07:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Who else got hundreds of billions or trillions Todd?

Todd will, in his smarmy way, take exception to your factual distortions and remind you that non-banking companies such as Government Motors and GE (which had grown into more of a financial operation than a manufacturing one, some of their detractors have suggested) were also recipients of these credit facilities to ensure that they did not suffer from a temporary liquidity crisis. Don't try hyperbole with Todd around. He is a serious man and all business in his shilling for his employers. And it has worked too. Why on this very thread I have learned that his paycheck is doing just fine and has not diminished since the banking crisis began.

95 posted on 12/28/2011 7:07:45 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
I read that.

Almost the entire middle class private sector has seen their dollars and incomes shrink, getting economically gang raped, as the price of everything skyrockets, but Todd, is not affected and doing great..

lol

96 posted on 12/28/2011 7:12:14 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
PS do you remember the Popeye cartoons and Whimpy who would gladly pay Tuesday for a hamburger today? Every kid then knew it was a scam and an obvious self-deception. Now it is how the system works; so much so that, as we learn in Kevin Williamson's National Review Article "Repo Men [i.e. Repurchase Agreement]" , the banking system let Corzine lose track of $600M.

Why is everyone so pissy about that? It is not even one day of TARP bailout. It is about 1/100th of 1 percent of a Federal Reserve credit facilitization exercise. Who cares? They act like it is real money, and worse, they act like it is their money.

97 posted on 12/28/2011 7:16:50 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: dragnet2

Yeah, mostly. Why don’t you do some of your own research?


98 posted on 12/28/2011 7:56:57 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: AndyJackson
Why on this very thread I have learned that his paycheck is doing just fine and has not diminished since the banking crisis began.

Wrong. You learned that my paycheck didn't get reduced to pay for the money the Fed created when they made these loans.

99 posted on 12/28/2011 8:02:54 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Graewoulf
Seems as if the US Federal Government is “underwater’ more than they admitted.

They all but driven the country over the cliff.

100 posted on 12/28/2011 8:22:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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