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Romney's electability ( John Ziegler )
American Thinker ^ | 12/282011 | John Ziegler

Posted on 12/28/2011 11:17:01 AM PST by reformjoy

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There are plenty of blatantly incorrect opinions about the Republican presidential primary floating around and some of them are perched in some rather prominent places...

... But none that I have seen has been more obviously and dangerously flawed than John Hawkins' column entitled "7 Reasons Why Mitt Romney's Electability is a Myth," which was recently posted at Townhall.

...And since Mr. Hawkins gave seven reasons why Romney's electability is a myth, in the spirit of conservative cooperation I offer the seven most underrated reasons that Romney is indeed the most electable Republican presidential candidate....

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
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I like point 5 for why Romney is electable!

5. Women like him and not just because of his hair and voice.

(yes, he is very handsome. Also married for many years to the same woman.)

1 posted on 12/28/2011 11:17:04 AM PST by reformjoy
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To: reformjoy

Mitt Romney can have my vote. WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER.


2 posted on 12/28/2011 11:24:38 AM PST by Grunthor (Do you worship the State or do you worship the Lord? There is no middle ground.)
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To: reformjoy

BS I do not know a single woman who likes Romney with the exception of lds women. Especially speaking for myself as a conservative woman I loath the man, I do not like liberals.


3 posted on 12/28/2011 11:26:03 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: reformjoy

Plus: Mitt is the Rodney King(Can’t we all just get along?)candidate.

No, Mitt, I don’t want to get along with these communist/socialist/Islamofascist/globalist/progressive(you name it)cretins, I want to beat them in the harshest manner. They don’t deserve to be in the leadership of this country, they are trying to destroy it and making good progress.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 11:29:47 AM PST by izzatzo ( Anybody but Obamney and Huntsman--Bachmann/Santorum 2012.)
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To: reformjoy

Sarah Palin still doesn’t love John Ziegler.


5 posted on 12/28/2011 11:30:25 AM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: svcw
BS I do not know a single woman who likes Romney with the exception of lds women.

A majority of my friends support Romney and I live in a very conservative little town where the Reagan Ranch is located. I am not, nor have I ever been a Mormon. My mother was a Mitt Romney supporter prior to her death. My daughter supports Mitt Romney. I think you might just need to get out more if you don't know any other ladies who like Mitt. There are lots of us.

6 posted on 12/28/2011 11:31:30 AM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: reformjoy

John:
You are a retarded, self absorbed, ....well, every perjorative I can think of.

Actually, you are just plain stoopid.


7 posted on 12/28/2011 11:32:47 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: reformjoy

There is a reason why the liberal media slammed Bachman, Perry, and Cain non-stop when they were the front runners but hasn’t said anything about Romney other than conservatives need to get used to him as a candidate.

Hint: The reason is not because Romney is such a stellar candidate they have nothing bad to say about him.


8 posted on 12/28/2011 11:33:03 AM PST by TennesseeProfessor
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To: reformjoy

9 posted on 12/28/2011 11:33:52 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Where’d you find that picture of Romney? No, not the bull, the one on the right.


10 posted on 12/28/2011 11:38:09 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: reformjoy

Obama beats Willard on that count. PERIOD.


11 posted on 12/28/2011 11:39:29 AM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: Zevonismymuse

Sorry honey, you are stretching to say Santa Barbara is conservative. That’s where I live.
Maybe I should have said any THINKING conservative woman would not support Romney the liberal.
You know many who support Romney the question should be why would you support a stink’n liberal? A guy who is pro abortion pro homosexual agenda pro government mandated health care just to name a few.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 11:39:39 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: Zevonismymuse

Then why are you here?


13 posted on 12/28/2011 11:41:17 AM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: reformjoy

Romneycare and all his other liberal stances aside there are two other problems about the man.

1) Only John Kerry and Al Gore have him beat on flip-flopping. Romney’s the type to run pro-life in a GOP primary and once he gets the nomination he’d run pro-abortion to win the democrat votes and somehow explain that he never changed his mind or flip flopped.

If there was a democrat majority in Congress he would nominate liberal judges and by the time his re-election comes up in 2016 he will claim that he had to nominate liberal judges in order to get them passed through the liberal Congress. That’s Romney.

The other problem about Romney is that he’s too “in your face” as a candidate. He could easily lose it in a debate and earn sympathy for Obama. We don’t need that to be happening.


14 posted on 12/28/2011 11:42:46 AM PST by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: reformjoy

without fail... every time I bring up Romney to ANYONE the very first thing they mention?

He’s a Mormon!

Nobody wants to talk about this, but it is huge, and will doom Romney in both the primary and the general. As far as I am concerned this primary doesn’t even start till South Carolina.


15 posted on 12/28/2011 11:42:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
True if it's Romney vs obama it will be a guy who thinks he will be god vs a guy who thinks he already is god.
16 posted on 12/28/2011 11:49:38 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

http://saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/mormonism/why-i-as-a-former-mormon-would-not-vote-for-mitt-romney-

Why I, as a former Mormon, would not vote for Mitt Romney
for President of United States.

By Rauni Higley

[Written in 2007.. Still valid in 2011] .

“I would not vote for Mitt Romney, not because I think he is a bad person, or that Mormons in general are evil people. Quite the opposite. I can say that I do not think we could find a much more morally decent person for president in this country than Mitt Romney.

So what is the problem? The problem is that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, and Mormonism is a very aggressive cult, a religion that leads people to eternal separation from Jesus Christ of the Bible.

A US president with no definite religious beliefs, or a membership in some mainstream Christian denomination, may not have influence that could effect the eternity of individuals, but a man with deep-rooted cultic beliefs could influence millions into joining Mormonism, especially when taking into consideration that the LDS Church has a nearly sixty-thousand-strong missionary force, that could and would use President Romney as ”bait” for an introduction into Mormonism, not only in the United States, but around the world”


17 posted on 12/28/2011 11:57:04 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: reformjoy

Was Ziegler always a RINO who tried to get famous from Palin?


18 posted on 12/28/2011 11:59:01 AM PST by Politics4US
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To: reformjoy

I will never vote for the atheistic socialist Romeny - never.


19 posted on 12/28/2011 12:05:17 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: svcw
BS I do not know a single woman who likes Romney with the exception of lds women.

I'm not a Romney supporter as I still don't have any favorite at this moment. But your reply reminds me of a New York socialite who said similar thing about Reagan.

20 posted on 12/28/2011 12:05:52 PM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car - he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: Zevonismymuse

“A majority of my friends support Romney and I live in a very conservative little town where the Reagan Ranch is located. “


When you mention Romney and Reagan together, remember that Romney was so anti-Reagan that he left the Republican party because Reagan became President. Romney became a Democrat supporter, fund raiser, and was fighting the conservative movement of Reagan and the Gingrich Congress.


21 posted on 12/28/2011 12:06:28 PM PST by ansel12
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To: TexasFreeper2009
"As far as I am concerned this primary doesn’t even start till South Carolina."

Amen.

22 posted on 12/28/2011 12:06:48 PM PST by CainConservative (Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy Newt/Marco 2012!!)
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To: Zevonismymuse

So is it his DOG ABUSE or his ROMNEYCARE
which draws you up tight and close to RINO Romney?

Or his penchant for covering up corruption?

Or his taxes disguised as FEES.

Or all of the above?


23 posted on 12/28/2011 12:08:41 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: CainConservative

And SC is voting for Newt!


24 posted on 12/28/2011 12:12:29 PM PST by JoanVarga (We no longer have the luxury of ascribing to incompetence what is plainly evil.)
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To: reformjoy
I like point 5 for why Romney is electable!
5. Women like him and not just because of his hair and voice.

(yes, he is very handsome. Also married for many years to the same woman.)


I REALLY hope you've forgotten your /sarc tag.

Maybe Dimocrat women fall for "dreamy" candidates, but this woman (and the majority of right-thinking GOP women) look for substance.

Yeesh.
25 posted on 12/28/2011 12:17:43 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: reformjoy

Who’s got the “Not this Sh*t Again!” guy!


26 posted on 12/28/2011 12:19:07 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Zevonismymuse

Yikes. Well, I suggest you read the Romney Truth File available to you in BIG RED LETTERS on this very forum.

Get educated. Romney is NOT a conservative.

Now I understand not liking Newt. He is a lying scumbag. I’m currently fighting for Santorum, also a fantastic family man with a great conservative track record and credentials. So he doesn’t have numbers? Newt didn’t have numbers just a few months ago. It’s still anybody’s game. Fight for someone GOOD!


27 posted on 12/28/2011 12:25:08 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: Grunthor
Amen.
He represents everything I hate about Rhinos and
the Establishment repubs. They are losers. Go Tea Party.
28 posted on 12/28/2011 12:25:27 PM PST by gakrak ( A man should know his limitations and act accordingly.)
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To: ansel12
When you mention Romney and Reagan together, remember that Romney was so anti-Reagan that he left the Republican party because Reagan became President. Romney became a Democrat supporter, fund raiser, and was fighting the conservative movement of Reagan and the Gingrich Congress.

You can't just say anything you want. You have to provide evidence.

Where's the evidence that Romney "left the Republican Party because Reagan became President"? Or that he was a fundraiser for the Democrats?

Romney was an independent in the 1980s. A lot of young people in Massachusetts are, and so are a lot of conservatives (so that they can vote in either primary), but Mitt Romney doesn't seem to have been that interested in politics in those days.

By 1994, Romney was a Republican running against Ted Kennedy for the Senate. 1994, as you may remember was when the Republicans won Congress back and made Gingrich speaker, so it's pretty obvious that he wasn't fighting against the "Gingrich Congress."

Romney did say in the 1994 campaign against Kennedy “I was an independent during that time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush.” Notice that he didn't say he voted against Reagan and Bush, just that he hadn't been a registered Republican. He didn't say he left the Republicans because of Reagan or that he was fighting against "the conservative movement of Reagan." He was too busy making money to bother with politics much.

29 posted on 12/28/2011 12:29:46 PM PST by x
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To: Grunthor

I heard this morning that Romney has come out for a VAT tax.


30 posted on 12/28/2011 12:31:05 PM PST by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Zevonismymuse; Jim Robinson

Sorry, I thought there was a Romney Truth File, but there is a video with Romney demonstrating how much of a big fat liberal he really is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7OQoBxZZPqU

JimRob, maybe there should be a link to a canonical takedown article for Romney?


31 posted on 12/28/2011 12:31:19 PM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: reformjoy

Looks like a few Romney lovers in this thread. Hmm.


32 posted on 12/28/2011 12:37:28 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Zevonismymuse
My mother was a Mitt Romney supporter prior to her death. My daughter supports Mitt Romney. I think you might just need to get out more if you don't know any other ladies who like Mitt. There are lots of us.

None of my women friends will support Mitt unless he's up against Obama. My family of six women all think he's a creeper!

33 posted on 12/28/2011 12:39:02 PM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: Vendome

Which one’s do we disagree with?
Is the point on Nevada and Michigan well taken?
I think #6 is ridiculous even if some of the others may be valid.

1.The Mormon vote will help him in Nevada, which is a key state in Obama’s “272” Electoral College strategy.

2.He has by far the best chance of winning New Hampshire, which would turn the “272” scenario into a tie (assuming a loss in Nevada) and a probable victory.

3.His family roots in Michigan give him by far the best opportunity to take this state which would kill almost any path for Obama to get to 270 Electoral College votes.

4.He is actually a great general election debater because he is smart, quick and not likely to say anything stupid that the media can use to destroy him.

5.Women like him and not just because of his hair and voice.

6.The “flip flop” charge, while true, will not be very effective against him because it will require liberals to attack him for really being a...liberal.

7.Americans do not tend to hold a person’s wealth against them when it comes to running for high office, especially when they think that person might help them get a job.


34 posted on 12/28/2011 12:43:55 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: reformjoy

(yes, he is very handsome. Also married for many years to the same woman.)

Yeah, Mitt was off in France, so pappa George was instrumental in “coaxing” the 16 year old non-Mormon Ann to convert and stick around until Mittens returned. Truer love never seen, and all it took was the help of the president of American Motors.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 12:47:17 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

[Nobody wants to talk about this, but it is huge, and will doom Romney in both the primary and the general.]

Yup. Wait till peepstones, magic underwear, the White Horse prophecy, secret handshakes, spirit children and spirit wives, Romney’s family polygamy, Kolob, becoming a god, getting a planet, Indians are Jews AND MUCH MORE hit the campaign. Other Repubs have been too nice.


36 posted on 12/28/2011 12:52:10 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: x

Do you want to see the photo of Mitt Romney doing fund raising for Planned Parenthood also?

We have been providing this evidence for years, Romney, son of Republican Presidential candidate George Romney and Republican Senatorial candidate Lenore Romney, was a Republican who switched to Independent during Reagan’s Presidency, and then came out against conservatives such as Jesse Helms and Reagan, and against the Contract with America.

Romney had been with his father when they stormed off the 1964 convention floor in protest against conservatism and Goldwater’s nomination.

“between July 1989 and October 1993, Romney exclusively financed these three Democrats.”
http://race42012.com/2007/03/21/mitt-romneys-dick-swett-problem/

“Romney Threw Fundraiser For Dem Candidate In 1992”
“The fundraiser is significant because it shows that Romney actively sought to help a Democrat take an open Senate seat from the GOP.”
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/01/romney_threw_fundraiser_for_de.php


37 posted on 12/28/2011 12:59:34 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Doc Savage

38 posted on 12/28/2011 1:04:33 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: svcw
Sorry honey, you are stretching to say Santa Barbara is conservative.

You have distorted what I wrote; I never claimed Santa Barbara is conservative. I stand by my claim that Santa Ynez is a very conservative little town and I am surrounded by fellow Romney supporters here. It is the tendency of anti-Romney zealots to mischaractarize facts making your so called "truth files" so easy to shoot full of holes. And by attempting to diminish my opinion by starting out with "Sorry honey" you only reveal that you are a classless person, and certainly not a "THINKING" person. It is the tone of the Romney haters that has made Mitt Romney such an attractive candidate to reasonable people.

39 posted on 12/28/2011 1:07:30 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: Zevonismymuse
"I stand by my claim that Santa Ynez is a very conservative little town and I am surrounded by fellow Romney supporters here."

Stepford Wives.

40 posted on 12/28/2011 1:16:08 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (If Newt Gingrich is a Reliable Conservative, Joe Biden is a member of MENSA)
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To: reformjoy

Romney is divisive and shouldn’t be shown.


41 posted on 12/28/2011 1:25:57 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert

Romney is Obama lite


42 posted on 12/28/2011 1:52:01 PM PST by vooch
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To: Zevonismymuse
Romney is not a conservative, that is a fact.
The Reagan Ranch is in Santa Barbara, that is a fact.
Of course I am anti-Romney as a Republican candidate, his policies on social issues are nearly identical to obama’s.
Of course I am anti- Romney as the Republican candidate, his policy on mandated government health care is identical to obama’s.
Those are just a few reasons that anyone claiming to be a conservative
should not support his candidacy - sweetie.
43 posted on 12/28/2011 3:01:14 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: ansel12
Thanks for the information. One of those contributions was to a personal friend, but the others may give Romney a little trouble, as the Planned Parenthood fundraiser also might.

I’m still not convinced that hatred for Reagan drove Romney from the Republican Party, though. He was just more interested in making money in the 1980s.

44 posted on 12/28/2011 3:03:22 PM PST by x
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To: paudio

Makes sense as I run in conservative circles that I would know no woman who supports liberals.


45 posted on 12/28/2011 3:07:12 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: reformjoy

Ziegler supports Romney, I believe.


46 posted on 12/28/2011 3:10:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: reformjoy
"Republicans can and have done far worse than Mitt Romney as their presidential candidate. It is time to realize he is by far the best shot we have of avoiding four more years of Obama."

~John Ziegler

Do you agree with this?

47 posted on 12/28/2011 3:12:29 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Zevonismymuse

Let’s start over.
You don’t like my supposed tone (must be read into since we are not actually talking).
You don’t like that I called you honey, you see that as crass. Could be a good point if this thread were about manors but it’s not so it’s not.
But not one no not one reason why you support Romney, so why do you support him?
How is he an attractive candidate? And why on earth would you support him just because you think I am crass and you don’t like my tone?
Come on - why do you support him?
I can tell you and have already stated some reasons conservatives would not support him.
So why do you a claimed to be conservative support him?
You say you are a thinking conservative, think of a reason and let us/me know.
I really really really would like to know how you can support this guy.


48 posted on 12/28/2011 4:23:38 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you)
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To: x

Romney is a life long liberal, it is his natural state, and it was what he was acting on in the 1980s.

Romney chose to drop his Republican party registration during Reagan’s presidency, it seems that he could do politics and keep a job at the same time.

Romney voted for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 primary, he re-registered Republican in December, 1993 to run for office, and in 1994 said this about his politics.

“I’m not a partisan politician,” he said in an interview with The Post that fall. “My hope is that, after this election, it will be the moderates of both parties who will control the Senate, not the Jesse Helmses.”


49 posted on 12/28/2011 4:24:30 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Steelfish

It’s John.

I didn’t bother to read it.


50 posted on 12/28/2011 6:30:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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