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Pastors urge GOP candidates to quit (Bachmann or Santorum)
Fox 16 ^ | 12/28/11 | unknown

Posted on 12/28/2011 5:06:26 PM PST by floridarunner01

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Two politically active pastors in Iowa's robust evangelical conservative movement say that an effort is under way to persuade either Rick Santorum or Michele Bachmann to consider quitting the Republican presidential race ahead of next week's caucuses.

The hope is that one would endorse the other to avoid splintering the influence of this influential voting bloc.

The pleas represent a fear among a group of evangelical conservative voters that this year's caucuses could be won by former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or Texas congressman Ron Paul.

Neither Romney nor Paul track as closely to the religious right as Santorum, Bachmann or Texas Gov. Rick Perry.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: 2012; election; iowa; presidential; ricksantorum

1 posted on 12/28/2011 5:06:38 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: floridarunner01

Here’s an idea. How about Romney and Paul drop out and let conservatives go at it? Then the RINOs will have to actually choose a conservative. Sounds like a plan.


2 posted on 12/28/2011 5:19:04 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: writer33

Romney is buying his way into the candidacy. This is the person the Democrats want to run against, as they plan on using class and race warfare as their basis for a poltical campaign and Romney is perfect.


3 posted on 12/28/2011 5:22:41 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: writer33

It’s a good plan, but I can’t see it happening. Both Santorum and Bachmann have too much invested in Iowa to drop out. Perry is fading and is the logical one to drop out.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 5:23:49 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: floridarunner01

stupid!

no one needs to drop out before the first primary.


5 posted on 12/28/2011 5:27:35 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: writer33

Hey now that makes too much sense .....


6 posted on 12/28/2011 5:27:54 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: SatinDoll

I know. It makes me sick that Romney gets the support he does.


7 posted on 12/28/2011 5:31:01 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Vigilanteman

I would expect everone to all stay in until at least after New Hampshire. Iowa and New Hampshire are close enough together for people to stay in. After that, you might see people start to drop.

But I don’t think anyone should drop until the voters and the money says so.


8 posted on 12/28/2011 5:32:44 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: F15Eagle

:-)


9 posted on 12/28/2011 5:36:03 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: writer33

If you’re a conservative supporter of Michelle Bachmann, how do you feel about her possible move to support Romney?

Bachmann SuperPAC Defects to Romney
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2826101/posts


10 posted on 12/28/2011 5:37:26 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll

This doesn’t look like Bachmann is moving to support anybody. It looks like the SuperPAC never really supported her to begin with and is packing their bags for RINOville.


11 posted on 12/28/2011 5:40:38 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: writer33

Don’t bet on it. She doesn’t say anything negative about Romney, not a word! And why would she allow a SuperPAC to use her name unless she allowed it.

This stinks.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 5:45:42 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: floridarunner01

Howz about these preachers (and their churches) lose their tax exempt status.


13 posted on 12/28/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: floridarunner01

In spite of being Christian I hope they both get out before the primary. Neither is going to garner the votes to win, especially Bachmann and we need the conservative Christians to start focusing on one of the remaining candidates who might actually win.

How’s that for blunt?


14 posted on 12/28/2011 5:50:22 PM PST by Advil000
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To: floridarunner01

"Thanks, Parson! Er, Reverend! [chuckle], sorry. And you said you need a new roof for your church? Reince will be by with a check tomorrow!"


15 posted on 12/28/2011 5:56:28 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: SatinDoll

Apparently you don’t support Bachmann.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 5:58:42 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: floridarunner01
Why are conservatives always expected to shut up, step aside and give in for the good of the Republican Party? Why don't Ron Paul and these others RINO’s withdraw?
17 posted on 12/28/2011 6:00:22 PM PST by detective
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To: floridarunner01
Two politically active pastors in Iowa's robust evangelical conservative movement say that an effort is under way to persuade either Rick Santorum or Michele Bachmann to consider quitting the Republican presidential race ahead of next week's caucuses.

They must be Progressives to recommend
that Conservatives drop out before the first vote is cast.

18 posted on 12/28/2011 6:05:16 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: moovova
Howz about these preachers (and their churches) lose their tax exempt status.

When was it decided that clergy permanently lost their freedom of speech? I don't see anything in the article about this being done from the pulpit.

19 posted on 12/28/2011 6:32:33 PM PST by MN Mitch
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To: floridarunner01

Who the heck cares? I think the Iowa caucuses should be done away with, right after the meaningless straw poll.


20 posted on 12/28/2011 6:41:40 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: floridarunner01
Well, a few of Michelle Bachman's people have defected....

21 posted on 12/28/2011 7:35:07 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: MN Mitch
When was it decided that clergy permanently lost their freedom of speech?

When was it mentioned in my comment that clergy permanently lose their freedom of speech?

22 posted on 12/28/2011 8:04:37 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: Vigilanteman

A far better plan is for Bachmann and Santorum to drop out and endorse Perry.

He is surging, not fading and he has the organization and money to stay in.


23 posted on 12/28/2011 8:35:53 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: moovova

I apologize if I’ve misinterpreted your comment.

You seemed to imply that the churches that those pastors worked for should lose their tax exempt status. However, there is no indication in the linked news story that those people, who happen to be pastors, are using the church resources for politics.

So, either:
A) I’ve misinterpreted what “Howz about” implies.
B) You know more details of the situation than I do.
C) You believe that churches can/should lose their tax exempt status for the things that their clergy do and say on their own time. In which case, it seems to me that clergy wouldn’t have freedom of speech.

(By “permanently” I meant “when outside of work”. From my understanding of the rules, the churches can’t advocate politics nor can the pastors advocate politics while representing the church. But pastors are free to advocate politics on their own time just like anyone else. If my understanding is in error, I would appreciate learning more.)


24 posted on 12/28/2011 11:09:13 PM PST by MN Mitch
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To: writer33

Bachmann and Santorum do not have executive experience.

Santorum lost his Senate seat in a landslide. He should go back to Pennsylvania and work towards winning the Governorship of that state.

Bachmann should also return to Minnesota and run for governor of that state.

It isn’t so much that I don’t support Conservative candidates as I don’t support a candidate that will have a serious learning curve. We already have one of those and it isn’t working at all.


25 posted on 12/28/2011 11:23:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: SatinDoll
Bachmann and Santorum do not have executive experience.

Neither do Gingrich or Paul. I guess that leaves Ronmey, Perry, and Huntsman. Based on that, it looks like I'll have to vote for Huntsman.

26 posted on 12/28/2011 11:29:30 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

Newt Gingrich, as Speaker of the House, was only two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

He is more than qualified.


27 posted on 12/29/2011 12:00:05 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Hoodat

Being Speaker of the House and 3rd in line to the presidency isn’t executive experience? I’d say the Constitution considered that position to be an extremely good qualifier for a presidential candidate. He ran a chamber of over 500 members. He had to make that machine work. What part of “running something” doesn’t equal “executive experience?”


28 posted on 12/29/2011 12:12:01 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: SatinDoll
Bachmann and Santorum do not have executive experience. Santorum lost his Senate seat in a landslide. He should go back to Pennsylvania and work towards winning the Governorship of that state. Bachmann should also return to Minnesota and run for governor of that state.

You are suggesting that they get executive experience -- like Gov. Rick Perry. You make a good point.

29 posted on 12/29/2011 12:29:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JediJones
Being Speaker of the House and 3rd in line to the presidency isn’t executive experience?

Two words: Speaker Nancy Pelosi and she made it "work" for her.

Answer: No.

30 posted on 12/29/2011 12:32:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SatinDoll; JediJones
House Speaker may be a leadership position, but it is not an Executive position. It is a Legislative one. It always allows the luxury of a do-over.

And while not an Executive position, it did showcase a tragic flaw in Gingrich's ability to lead. After only four years with his Party still in power, his own members mutinied and forced him out. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of his ability to lead.

Gingrich may have worked well with President Clinton, but he did not cut taxes, and he did not create a surplus as he is claiming. He only exacerbated the weakness that Republicans are best known for.

The government shutdown is a prime example of this. Not even John Boehner has shown as much weakness as Gingrich did that day.

31 posted on 12/29/2011 8:03:42 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat
Newt Gingrich had an epiphany. He had to, or he would have self-destructed.

As a small child he witnessed his father beating and abusing Newt's mother. She divorced him, remarried, and Newt was adopted by his step dad. Later he was sexually molested by a high school teacher. Yeah, the one he married.

This man was carrying a troubled emotional burden while serving in Congress but he sought counseling, joined AA and eventually turned his life around after a religious conversion.

What I've found shocking is the enormous number of so-called Christians here at Free Republic who are nothing of the sort.

Christians are not better than other people. They forgive others, ask forgiveness for themselves, and try to lead a better life by not sinning further. I'm not disgusted with Newt Gingrich, who I believe has honestly changed his life. I'm disgusted with the bigots who claim they are Christian but do not put it into daily practice.

“...After only four years with his Party still in power, his own members forced him out...”

Oh yeah, and many of those Republicans are still in Congress. They are part of the ongoing problem of business as usual in Washignton, D.C. Under a Republican president, they added over $3 trillion to the federal deficit, shunned conservative policy in favor of Beltway influence-peddling, and so damaged the GOP brand that we lost the majority Gingrich had worked years to forge.

Do you really think I give a damn that Newt’s fabulous colleagues think his reemergence would be a disaster for Republicans? No. The elections of 2010 were NOT a merit promotion; the Republicans were the only alternative in town!

Newt Gringrich is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment and loves America and understands its citizens. As a historian, he thoroughly knows the U.S. Constitution and our nation's history.

He allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

Washington is broken, it doesn't work the way it is supposed to and Newt said, if elected, he will work to change the way Washington does business. You better believe the elitists who suck money off of government contracts are terrified he will be elected.

He knows where the bodies are buried.

He knows where the skeletons are hidden.

He knows about the hidden tract ways and byways by which influence peddling moves.

When a middle-clsss citizen is elected to Congress and returns home 20 years later a multi-millionaire, it is due to corruption in government. And that influence pedaling corruption may even be legal!

We have to change Washington in order to get our nation back on the right track.

Nothing you will say, which I believe is biased and flat-out wrong, has any effect on my belief that Newt Gingrich is the only candidate with true leadership ability who can and will change Washington, D.C. He isn't perfect. Who is? But I believe at this time, at this juncture in in nation's pathway, he can lead this country away from the abyss of socialism and will right the ship of state.

32 posted on 12/29/2011 1:00:28 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: MN Mitch

Wow, you gotta be kidding...

So you think paying taxes leads to loss of freedom of speech?

That comes as quite a shock to the 51% of us that ACTUALLY pay taxes to support the nanny-government and the 49% teat-suckers that don’t pay taxes.

Sheesh...


33 posted on 12/30/2011 8:25:32 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: moovova
So you think paying taxes leads to loss of freedom of speech?

That's not the issue. The issue is changing the taxes collected based on what someone says, in order to discourage them from saying it.

What was the point of your original post? If the point was to say "all religious organizations should pay taxes", I can respect that regardless of if I agree with it. However, if your point was to punish people you disagree with by singling out non-profit organizations they work for, without any reason to believe that the organization is involved; then you've got to be kidding me if you don't see how that's a loss of freedom of speech.

34 posted on 12/30/2011 10:27:06 PM PST by MN Mitch
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