Skip to comments.In final Iowa push, Perry aims to set himself apart as ultimate outsider
Posted on 12/29/2011 9:44:46 AM PST by altura
RelatedCRESTON, Iowa Rick Perry began his final push in the Iowa Republican caucuses Tuesday by sharpening his claim to be the sort of leader the country badly needs, and which his rivals decidedly are not.
You need to ask yourself: If we replace the Democrat insider with a Republican insider, is that going to change Washington, D.C.? No, its not, he told 150 or so Iowans crammed into a coffee shop a week ahead of caucuses likely to winnow the presidential field. I will go to Washington to be an anti-establishment outsider.
At one stop after another, he jabbed at Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul with missives that mirror the pro-Perry ads flooding the states airwaves. Its a rather different emphasis from the one Perry used to launch his White House quest the promise to bring Texas job-creating magic to the national economy.
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Interesting change in Perry’s position on abortion.
Would you ping your list if you think this is interesting enough.
Aside from about 7 years “farming cotton with his father” what private sector work experience does Rick Perry have? Seems like most of his life was spent in TX politics.
He is outside, all right. He should have dropped out months ago, saved his donors’ money for a PAC, and worked on rehabilitating himself.
Iowa and NH are write offs because they have no real meaning this year... you’ll know if Perry has ANY chance just after the SC primary results come in
There’s no point to Iowa.
Team Romney is on the verge of a nation win right now. Iowa is a worthless joke.
There’s no point to Iowa.
Team Romney is on the verge of a national win right now. Iowa is a worthless joke.
I’ll take eight years as a cotton farmer.
5 years in the Air Force.
2 terms in the TX House.
3 term Governor.
Over the resume of anyone else who is running.
Santorum, Bachmann and Romney are lawyers, with S and B serving in the House and or Senate. Romney was a turn around artist by cutting business expenses; his term as Mass. Governor showed terrible employment numbers.
Gingrich is a teacher and legislator and made money inside DC from his prior work thereby his influence.
Ron Paul was a doctor and did serve in the military. We know what his drawbacks are, so forget that.
More than than the others. Whats wrong with farming for 7 years?
And he grew up on a farm; that in itself is a huge positive thing.
And a Air Force pilot.
I don't see how any other candidate has a better background than he does.
Perry is malleable as was GW Bush. He won’t always win out with conservatives on issues, but he can be shamed away from some really awful decisions (Bush did back down on the Kagan nomination and other things).
He’s embarassing in trying to strike an “extreme” position on the issue though.
Trying to strike an extreme position on WHAT issue??
In the early 1970s, Perry interned during several summers with the Southwestern Company, as a door-to-door book salesman. “I count my time working for Dortch Oldham [President of the Southwestern Company] as one of the most important formative experiences of my life,” Perry said in 2010. “There is nothing that tests your commitment to a goal like getting a few doors closed in your face.” He said that “Mr. Oldham taught legions of young people to communicate quickly, clearly and with passion, a lesson that has served me well in my life since then.”
Upon graduation in 1972, Perry was commissioned in the Air Force, completed pilot training, and flew C-130 tactical airlift in the United States, the Middle East, and Europe until 1977. He left the Air Force with the rank of captain, returned to Texas, and went into business farming cotton with his father.” —— Bio on wikipedia
AGREED: Now how do we get rid of this nonsense, in the future?
Those people actually believe they are relavant to the final outcome??
Just how long has these campaign's been in Iowa? 2 or 3 months now?? What the hell is that needed for?
One thing you can say about IOWA, they sure know how to milk a media cow.
NOTE TO SELF: Never, EVER visit Iowa, or pass through.
Perry has the answer to the eventual Obama excuse of inheriting Bush's economy and his plea for "more time" to right the ship.
Perry will simply say that he also inherited Bush's economy and used sound economic practices like teaming up with Texas's part time congress to cut spending and stabilize the tax and regulatory policies. The results between Obama's results and Perry's are completely opposite with Perry's policies creating jobs and a 1.6 billion dollar surplus by the time our part time congress reconvenes for the next budget.
Obama has no answer for that and neither do any other of the candidates running.
Texas is not conservative and never has been. There are conservative elements and areas and pressures but if you run through Texas history there is damn little of Obamas agenda that has not been mainline Texas dogma. From the radical Farmers Alliance to the Democrat/Populists to the Depression Democrats the instincts are distinctly mainline Democrat. One thing Franzie got right when he was here was the observation that Texas is full of LBJ Republicans. They aint got no truck with a community organizer from Chicago but they like their government active and in the foreground. When the country elects a Johnson or a Bush or a Bush Jr. and then wonders how they could be so liberal coming from Texas and all, they have misjudged Texas. That is exactly what Texas is.
When I was a kid I was working on a crew in Texas. I found a copy of A Texan Looks at Lyndon in an old cupboard and I tossed it in the truck to read on our downtime. The boss happened to see it on the seat and had a fit. He wanted to know if anyone else could have seen it and warned me that they would break my legs if anyone caught me with it. Thats how Democrat they were.
Texas populism embraced a broad spectrum of sometimes conflicting ideas: Rent control on agricultural land, government ownership of banks and communications and railroads, a special force of cronys and supporters operating under color of law and unanswerable to anyone but the Governor, controlled production of oil are all examples of Texas conservatism. The Texas Railroad Commission (whose scope extended far beyond hot oil and freight rates) had an anti-business bias that would make the Greenies jealous. They were about as far left as you could get without falling off. Texas was one of the first states to ratify the 16th. It wasnt that they were Progressives, they just figgered you couldnt tax what you didnt have none of. Texas had two saving graces. The first was that it is so damned big that it had to be governed much like a country. A lot of tax the big boy legislation was DOA because there just wasnt enough money to go around. The second was that enough oilmen got rich enough fast enough to buy the legislature. They woulda taxed them if they coulda. There are and have been some great conservatives in Texas (Gramm and Hersarling come immediately to mind) but they are the exception and not the rule.
Most Texas politics are clear as mud. You just have to cock your head sideways and watch for a while and then try to sort it out. Like in 1952 when the Democrat nominee for governor, Allan Shivers delivered an ass-whoopin to the Republican nominee for governor, Allan Shivers. It just dont make no sense atall cept in Texas. Then you have characters like Ma and Pa Ferguson and Pappy ODaniel; call em a conservative and theyd likely slap you around, call em a liberal and theyd likely slap you around, call em a jackass and theyd think about it. Texas makes my haid hurt.
And they think the rest of the world is screwed up.
The economics are quasi-socialist but the social structure is rigid and moralistic and authoritarian.
West Texas is a peculiar place. From the top of the panhandle, down across the llano and into the Permian theres a flint edged conservatism that doesnt tolerate a lot of diversity of any kind. Its not Republican, its more of a frontier independence and a crusty absolutism. They dont trust the government but they cash the checks and they better not be late. From the old XIT counties down along the New Mexico line theres ranchers and oilmen and just plain eccentrics who couldnt live anywheres else. As tough as they are, theyre a good humored bunch and Id rather talk poly-ticks here than about anywhere. Most went Reagan by 70% and McCain by 90. Theres nothing quite like it, the closest I have seen is in northern Nevada.
Its a hard and dangerous country and always has been. The Spanish and even the Injuns avoided it. You could die of thirst out there if you didnt know where the watering holes were. The Comanches ended up there because all the other Injuns kicked their asses out of the more desirable real estate. The horse finally changed their status from bug eaters to feared warriors. Theres been a time or two when Ive been caught in that parched wilderness with nothing to drink. I remember one time when things was getting mighty thirsty and the buzzards would have got us fer shur except that we happened across an old Injun who showed us that you could squeeze water out of a faucet. It was such a turrible ordeal that we had to drink water just to survive. It was rough but it kept us alive until we got back to civilization in a wet county.
Texas dry counties.
Once I got stopped for drag racing or some such in a grain truck. In the old days the law said that you couldnt drive barefoot or with Jesus boots (sandals). That was understandable as much of the equipment we used was from the 40s and 50s or even the 30s. Kickback could break your ankle and you near had to stand on the brakes and drag a stick out the winder to stop.
I had a big gash in my foot from some sort of foolishness on the equipment and I had wrapped it and put my boot on over it but left the boot unlaced. This confounded the Junior Texas Ranger to no small degree. That just werent done. There must have been a nest of em somewheres because he radioed for hep and they began arriving. I was sitting on the running board and as each patrol car pulled up the driver would get out come over and look at my foot. Yep, boot unlaced. They would then take a long look at my mug like they were trying to remember if theyd seen it in a poster somewhere and then theyd walk over and join the conference. After about an hour and six or seven patrol cars they finally decided that boot unlaced probably meant barefoot but they were going to do me a really big favor and let me go just this oncet. Any more infractions of civil society and it was the Big House for me.
Another time I was in a greasy spoon for breakfast. It was the usual early morning crew of ranchers, farmhands, oilfield roughnecks and a county cop or two. The banter was subdued and light. One of the boys jokingly said something that got one of the coppers in a dither. There was instant tension and absolute quiet while the cop stared down the offender. Just like the dumbass I am, I tried to crack a joke to break the tension. The cop instantly swung his attention to me and I was in a heap o trouble. The look he gave me let me know exactly how he felt. He would have shooted me and throwed the carcass to the coyotes if there werent so many witnesses and he was thinking about doing it anyway. The kick that I got under the table from the boss left a three inch dent in my shin. I shut my mouf. Biscuits and gravy finally got the best of the mountie and he went back to stuffing his gizzard.
When I limped outside, the boss caught up with me and warned me never to get on the wrong side of a Texas cop. You arent in Kansas any more Toto, Here we grovel. I dont want to spend the next six hours standing in the bar ditch while they write me tickets.
When they say that you haint otter do something, it means that you haint otter do it.
Im throwing these out there to illustrate just how authoritarian Texas is. From the last fencepost in Texas, north to the Canadian border, neither of these incidents would have happened. If it did there would have been a call to the governors office and a cop with a chewed-on butt. Up north we could go for weeks or months and never even see a cop. In Texas they were everywhere looking for the smallest infraction. The venerated Texan standing against the government is wash of the hog. You do it the Texas way or not at all. Everything revolves around government. Even Oklahoma aint that backerd.
When I heard that Perry was from West Texas it really piqued my interest. When I found out that he was from Paint Creek in Haskell County, well, that aint good.
This is Haskell County and these are the results of the 1976 presidential. Haskell went for Carter by 75%. That is not in the least surprising. In 1964 Haskell County voted Johnson with 85%, one of the highest in Texas. From the base of the panhandle south and east this is solid Democrat country with a decided flavor of the Old South; cotton country from the time cotton growers fled the weevil along the coast. If LBJ were to come back tomorrow I have no doubt that he would get the same 85%. The depression and dust bowl hit the region hard and set the Democrat ballot in stone. If you had to compare it to anything it would be Little Dixie up in Oklahoma. These arent LBJ Republicans, they are LBJ Democrats. They are nice people but you best watch what you say. They shoot skunks and Republicans.
Remember Ed Hale, the West Texas rancher who was very vocal in his support of Hillary Clinton and arranged well publicized cyber meetings in opposition to Obama? He was from Wellington in Collingsworth County.
In these parts politics are handed down grandfather to father to son. It is deeply embedded in the culture. You cant grow up in that and not have it affect you. It sets your political instincts. Theyve shifted voting patterns but they havent changed their basic ideology. They dont vote Democrat as much but they are reluctant Republicans.
If you start right after breakfast and drive due north you can have lunch at the Cattlemans Café in Sublette, Haskell County, Kansas (Oklahoma has one, too. Pioneers werent original thinkers). Drive down to the courthouse either place and you wont see much difference. Blue jeans and overhauls, pretty grey-haired ladies in the latest Wal-mart fashion, but theres much more than the Oklahoma panhandle that separates them. The politics are polar opposites. Up nawth they dont need therapy to vote. There was a Democrat here once but he lit out when he got out of jail and they havent seen him since. Both counties are turning brown at about the same rate as the old folks head for the pearlys and the youngsters head for Wichita or Abilene.
Both are ag counties and both depend on God and the Ogalala for prosperity. God seems to favor the Kansans because income is far higher there. There is much more food stamp usage (3X) and general welfare reliance in Texas because more folks are po. There is government everywhere, hepin folks, learnin em how to farm, to eat, to get on another government program. Population is climbing in the northern Haskell and declining in the southern one. At current rates Texas will have to fold it up and move it to a better location in forty years. Haskell County, Kansas is as conservative and Republican as you can get. Haskell County, Texas aint either one.
This is what Im working on. Federal agricultural subsidies have stabilized production and brought a degree of prosperity to the central states for half a century. They are going to end. We are trying to move out ahead of the storm and garner whatever support we can and to get these areas to prepare. Its surprising, on the northern plains the farmers are receptive. Actually receptive is the wrong word, they are resigned to it. They know it is going to end. They piss and moan a bit and theyll drag it out as long as possible but they are ready. In Texas its a different story. If Gawd dint want them to have the subsidy checks he wouldnt have put them in the envelopes and mailed them.
They have a point. Ive seen a dozen or more models of what will happen without subsidies and this is the area that gets hurt the most. It will devastate the area. Here, there are just no options. We may just have to give it back to the Injuns.
Most of Texas went with Reagan in 1980 but it wasnt a slam-dunk. Texas was critical for Reagan and he focused on it. It took a lot of effort and a vice-presidential nomination to seal the deal but he did it. Haskell County and its surrounds liked Carter better.
In 1984 there were still some holdouts for Mondale, as Northern and as liberal as you could get.
In 1988 Dukakis made a strong showing against H. W. , a Texan. Dukakis fer Gods sake. He werent no conservative Southern Democrat
Perot and Clinton
Dole vs. Clinton.
What does an ambitious young feller from Paint Creek do? He grows up Democrat. He lives Democrat. He votes Democrat. He runs for office as a Democrat. He supports Democrats for national office. He is a Democrat. I wouldnt be the least surprised if he had a D branded on his rump. Can a farm kid from Paint Creek go off to Austin and become a born again Republican? I suppose it might could be. More likely opportunity presents itself and he gets a shiny new coat of Republican paint. That dont make him a Republican.
The current prosperity in Texas was a long time in the making. It was Mark White, a Democrat who was Governor when oil crashed in the mid-80s, who started the ball rolling. One of his protégés was a jug eared lunar-tick named Ross Perot who convinced him that there was more to the world than oil and cotton and cows. Bill Clements, a vastly underrated governor, picked the theme up and ran with it. He imported some Yankees who set about making UT a tech powerhouse and teaching the Aggies how to count past fingers and toes.
Right now Texas is riding the oil boom. Ag is strong but hurting from the drought and tech is sputtering along. Weve seen it before in other states, the growth in Texas is in growth. At least tech is there, something they didnt have before. Texas is limping, just like every other state, but they should lead in coming out of this mess. All of the elements are in place.
Perry didnt create the economic model that keeps Texas afloat but he did nothing to derail it, either. The hard work was done a long time ago by some super sharp business people and professors and banks and civic leaders. There are a bunch of states studying what Texas did and how they did it. Many of the people responsible have passed on and most are retired but there are some really interesting stories on how a few hundred people can affect the destiny of a state. Low taxes are a necessity but they are not the end all and be all.
There are several possible candidates that we would prefer, they just aint likely. Sarah Palin would be tall cotton for us. Jim DeMint isnt an exact match but hes close enough that we can mash him in with a hambler. A President Perry would not be the worst thing to happen to the Republic but we are going into this with eyes wide open. In the first place, Perry would dance with those what brung him. Regardless of who gets swept out in front by the tsunami their options have been limited. The big question is whether he reverts to boyhood values or whether he understands the economic forces at work and lets them run their course, even if it destroys those boyhood values. Independence and a willingness to relax the federal grip are of more importance than any other posturing. So far we like what we see from him. Time will tell if it is just happy talk or not.
We want to do two things. We want to break the western states out as a regional power and we want to wean the red states off the federal tit. When he used the phrase have states compete our ears perked up. That is our language, straight out of our literature. Of course he, or someone near him, could have purloined it or figgered it out on their own. What was obscure is now becoming obvious.
May God Bless.
That is an absolutely brilliant point normy. I hope he does that very thing.
That is an EXCELLENT point that I never thought of! You know - Perry can counter almost everything that Obama touts - with way better results! Oh yeah, Obama is a better debater than Perry...BFD.
Yeah, he’s been bumping bellies with insiders and been a politician and career governor for what 11 years?
But now he’s not the insider, but an outsider...
Funny how the media treats the people as if their adults with 4 year old brains.
You are way too deep into the weeds.
His boyhood values were like going to church and Sunday School, being an Eagle Scout, hunting, fishing, guns, strong family, married his childhood sweetheart, still married to her, going to Aggieland, serving in the AF.
Just because he came from a Democrat county that had gotten federal money doesn’t change any of that.
His father was a tailgunner in WWII and flew 35 missions over Nazi Germany.
They worked the land but didn’t own it. They got sweaty and dirty and they got up before dawn and went to bed after dark.
They were poor.
But they loved America. And they believe in Capitalism. It was not their doing that FDR put all this federal stuff into the pipeline. What were they supposed to do about it?
Rick Perry became a Republican, but he always believed he was conservative.
He voted for Reagan twice, and for George HW Bush over Dukakis...this, after trying one last time to stay a Democrat and infamously backing algore that year.
The next year, he did what millions of his fellow Texans have done through the years, leave the Democrat party for good.
As for Haskell county, for 36 years it was represented in Washington DC by the king of the Bluedogs, Charlie Stenholm. He talked conservative but voted for every Dem Speaker candidate that came down the pike. no matter how liberal. In return, he was the long time chairman of the House Ag Committee, and is now an Ag industry lobbyist in DC.
He ran that scam a long time, but that district finally threw him out and put in a Republican.
We’re actually being told he’s now an “Outsider” yet he’s been a career politician for about 27 years?
He’s a WASHINGTON outsider. It’s a whole other world outside of there.
Not exactly MENSA quality reasoning there, d12.
Perry has never served a day in Washington DC.
He’s asking to go there to make it function more like Texas’ gpvernment does, where he has made his bones.
The Bushes and Rove and even Cheney tried to oust him from the governorship by running Kay Bailey Hutchinson. There is your DC insider, staring you right in the face.
And you don’t even see it.
Those people are now supporting Mitt Romney, and they would have supported CHristie, Huntsman, Daniels...anybody but Perry.
If they could have anybody they wanted, it would be Jeb Bush.
Oh, you mean like Bush was?
Rick Perry’s father wasn’t president.
Yeah, you’re right, having Daddy as POTUS makes one a D.C. insider, even though Bush was an outsider before being an insider, when in reality, he was an insider before being an insider. Yep.
Was Clinton was an outsider before becoming an insider?
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2 terms in the TX House.
3 term Governor.”
In other words, a professional politician.....Uh.... no thanks! Had my fill of those.
Iowa voters, write in Sarah Palin!!!
Yeah, hes been bumping bellies with insiders and been a politician and career governor for what 11 years?
But now hes not the insider, but an outsider...
Funny how the media treats the people as if their adults with 4 year old brains.
Rick Perry being an outsider is like calling Barack Obama American-born
Perry was in cahoots with all the Washington pols and internationalists when he tried to push that NAFTA Superhighway nonsense on Texas and the US. Perry and his fellow statists were going to spend about $150 Billion of our tax dollars to have foreign companies build roads in Mexico to haul Communist Chinese goods.
Anyone support the NAFTA-North American Union nonsense is not an outsider
And, anyone supporting Illegal Alien Amnesty in any form is never an outsider, nor a conservative. Giving in-state tuition to Illegal Aliens in Texas, like Perry allowed, is the dream of all the supporters of Illegal Alien Amnesty
Not exactly MENSA quality reasoning there, d2.
The Perry’s were dry land cotton farmers...didn’t even own the land they farmed...tenant farmers. There was no pedigree there, no wealth, no big name that once was a Senator...namely Prescott Bush, then his son George HW Bush who held a variety of DC positions from congressman to an ambassadorship to CIA to president, and in between, the Republican National Committee...ran for Senate and lost to Lloyd Bentson or he would’ve served there, too.
GW came from a state gpvernership, but everything else about him screams establishment family...went to Andover Prep, Yale and Harvard Business.
Perry graduated from Paint Creek High School that was so tiny and rural it barely existed.
Became an Aggie.
He came from nothing.
His family, nor himself, had any Washington DC experience or connections.
GWB was certainly different from that.
Think it though, if you care to be bothered, or if you dare.
This crap is just thrown out there to see if there is anyone stupid enough to buy it.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Who do you support that has not been a professional politician...dying to know here?
I guess your eyes went bad on you when you tried to read the words, eight years as a cotton farmer and 5 years in the Air Force.
Too bad...but your eyes are acting a little strangely to be able to read certain words you want to attack and unable to read other pertinent words right next to ‘em, that you’d rather cover up.
Welcome to FR.
Are you supporting Ron Paul?
I’ll stack Rick Perry’s military service, farming labor and Texas political executive record against anyone of the others running (and their years of writing laws and/or supporting big government mandates).
My mom and dad are Texas born and bred. I was born in New York because my dad was flying interceptors for Air Defense Command/NORAD. I consider myself a Texan with a Certificate of Birth Abroad (military parents will understand the reference). And except for my time on active duty, I’ve lived here and loved it since my dad retired and they moved home in 1975.
I don’t know an expat Texan who doesn’t think it’s God’s country. And I think an independent spirit is VERY Texan, and that spirit doesn’t normally come in liberal sizes.
Nice list. There was a time when most people were farmers.
It is a job whether some people know it or not.
The children of illegal entrants, who are walked, driven or carried in arms over the border, are the ones who are allowed instate tuition rates if they have attended a Texas High School for three years and have graduated.
Federal law mandates they be educated in public schools, K-12, then dumps the problem of what to do with them after that onto the states where they live.
This will come as a huge shock, as correct information always does to someone who peddles the incorrect, but a child, brought here by an adult who is in charge of that child’s life, is not chargeable as an illegal entrant and is not deportable as such.
They are in a legal limbo...don’t have papers to say they should be here, but are not chargeable as illegal entrants and not deportable.
And they are in our public schools until graduation.
The question before the TX Legislature was, for tuition rates, are they considered out of state, or in state.
The bill designating them in state for tuition rate purposes passed with only 4 nays.
If they met the criteria.
The old saw that Perry gave instate tuition to ILLEGAL ALIENS is false.
As Perry has pointed out, it is the Federal Government’s responsibility to stop people from coming over the border illegally, and they have utterly failed.
Within one year of taking his hand off the Bible in swearing the oath, Perry as President will enforce the current laws on the books, and for the first time, secure the border.
Who are you for, and what have they done and what will they do to enforce our laws and secure the border?
Even if you think his position is extreme, it is sincere.
It’s not necessarily a position I believe in, but it doesn’t really matter. His credentials as pro-life are unimpeachable.
I resent Iowa also. Every four years they get lots of attention. The rest of the time they get the attention they deserve... which is none.
Only rarely does the Iowa winner go on to get the nomination.
It’s only important to Perry because a win there would get him some much needed attention from the press.
Fox news might even mention his name.
Can you believe some of the comments?
What is farming if not a sun up to sun down JOB?
Being in the AF is also a JOB serving your country.
And when in the public sector, on the state level, what did the office holder do? His entire record, not singling out one or two mistakes. And what would he do if elected President?
If we could never vote for anyone who had ever been in government for a period of time, at any level, we would be in a world of hurt.
We desperately need people coming from the states to go in there and take on DC. It’s totally out of control and has been for years.
omigosh, I did not know that about Perry. If he lasted through the Southwestern experience, he can last through anything.
My son and several of his friends did that one summer. It was horrible. They only lasted a few weeks.
Ha. Interesting read. I’m a native born Texan but lived in Dallas all my life.
My husband lived for a while in Post, Texas.
Laura Bush was raised in El Paso and claimed the water there made everyone happy (it had lithium in it). I guess God thought if you lived in El Paso, you might as well have something.
I think Rick Perry is conservative and would make a great president. But enjoyed your post.
One point: This article is by Todd Gilman, a Perry hater from way back.
Perry has not bumped bellies with the Washington elites.
The people he’s talked to the most are Steve Forbes, John Bolton and the like.
He is a DC outsider, whatever you may say or think.