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Perry loses round 1 in Virginia ballot battle
AP - El Paso Times | 12-29-2011 | AP

Posted on 12/29/2011 12:41:28 PM PST by TitansAFC

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http://www.elpasotimes.com/texas/ci_19640173


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; gingrich; heartless; moron; perry; perryloses; va; virginia

1 posted on 12/29/2011 12:41:33 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

I still don’t understand why it makes any rational sense to expect a candidate to get 10-15k signatures in order to appear on a state’s primary ballot. Seems like an awfully outmoded requirement.


2 posted on 12/29/2011 12:44:51 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: TitansAFC
So, Gibney asked why Perry was in federal court? Recalling clearly that the Constitution gives the federal government some degree of authority in federal elections (President, Vice President, Senator, Representative), it's pretty obvious why he's there.

That's why George Bush was there and the Algore objected to that.

Since then it's been the Democrat argument that election problems should never go to the USSC ~ but they can go to DOJ.

I think Gibney is going to hold a hearing on the 13th and make an immediate ruling that he doesn't have jurisdiction.

That's another reason for tarring and feathering the top Republican office holders in Virginia. They have caved in to the Democrats.

3 posted on 12/29/2011 12:54:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

The problem is that even if he decides in favor at the hearing on the 13th, this is going to mean the ballot would have to be reprinted and VA is not going to like that.

This was all a set-up. Gingrich and Perry should both simply withdraw their names from the ballot.

Let Romney and Paul run against each other. And completely devalue the VA vote.


4 posted on 12/29/2011 1:22:19 PM PST by livius
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To: All

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http://www.elpasotimes.com/texas/ci_19640173


5 posted on 12/29/2011 1:35:11 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather ("Kick The Communists Out Of Your Govt. And Don't Accept Their Goodies"-Yuri Bezmenov-KGB Defector)
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To: livius

Does this problem/ruling only apply to the Primary?

Or does it carry over to the General Election in November??


6 posted on 12/29/2011 1:43:51 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

No, this is for the primary. But the problem is that in VA the delegates are committed for the convention, which is the formal nomination, so therefore they can only vote for Romney or Paul (whoever wins).

I’m not sure if this is just a first-round thing, though. I don’t live in VA. But there are some states where the delegates have to vote for the winner of the state primary in the first round of balloting, but if there is another round, they are released.

Anybody from VA know?


7 posted on 12/29/2011 1:49:35 PM PST by livius
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To: TitansAFC

Why can’t they disqualify the State of Virginia from the convention over this? Reject all of their delegates, since they have skewed the entire process?

Does anyone know?


8 posted on 12/29/2011 1:57:41 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Oh, I dunno. Maybe because the Republican Establishment is all for greasing the skids for Mittens?


9 posted on 12/29/2011 2:02:16 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The Estalishment isn’t going to DQ Virginia for doing what they wanted them to do.


10 posted on 12/29/2011 2:04:16 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mitt Romney gets less bang for the buck than John-Freaking-Huntsman.)
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To: TitansAFC
Yup, I admit, it was a pretty dumb question on my part.

But let me reiterate, that what I outlined is what SHOULD happen.

This whole thing is a nightmare. Obama will win if Romney gets the nomination, and maybe the GOP really does rig elections after all, just like the Democrats do. They are certainly manipulating this one for sure!

11 posted on 12/29/2011 2:12:03 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: TitansAFC

http://www.elpasotimes.com/texas/ci_19640173


12 posted on 12/29/2011 2:27:35 PM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Utmost Certainty

The rule is to keep small, fringe candidates from wasting the state party’s resources. So how is Paul on and the rest of the field off?


13 posted on 12/29/2011 2:41:25 PM PST by elvis-lives
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To: TitansAFC; Jim Robinson; All
Here's the backdrop of what's going on in Virginia.

Bob McDonnell to drop by Mitt Romney event in Richmond

McDonnell and Romney meeting Wednesday

Virginia Gov. McDonnell Almost, Sort of, Endorses Romney

Governor McDonnell wants to be Romney's VP pick and I wouldn't be surprised if they have made some kind of secret deal....McDonnell gets serious consideration for the slot if he and the VA State GOP help Romney rig the primary.

14 posted on 12/29/2011 3:01:21 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: TitansAFC

Perry does have a good point. What if you, all by yourself, want to run for president but you’re from another state? If you’re running a one-man campaign, you’re legally barred from collecting your own signatures. But a Virginian candidate can do so. Seems like a clear violation of equal protection.


15 posted on 12/29/2011 3:52:59 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: livius
Reprinting is cheap and easy. What is a little more difficult is making the deadline imposed for sending it on its way to military absentee voters.

Now seriously, what troops out there would want to vote for either of these guys?

But I'm sure the printer (and they are all really hungry for business these days) can get 'er done!

16 posted on 12/29/2011 3:53:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Utmost Certainty
I still don’t understand why it makes any rational sense to expect a candidate to get 10-15k signatures in order to appear on a state’s primary ballot. Seems like an awfully outmoded requirement.

I still don't understand why people didn't expect the signatures to be verified. "They didn't verify in the past" is not an excuse, especially when you're talking about people like Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich who support voters showing ID to vote.

A cousin of mine who is a Rick Perry supporter was complaining that the signatures were verified, yet she sent me an email a while back about how Rick Perry supporters Voter ID laws. What the Hell? How can you support people showing an ID to verify who they are, but not support signatures being verified.

I also don't get why Perry is going to a federal court over a state matter, since he's a big states-rights proponent, but that's for another thread.
17 posted on 12/30/2011 1:41:40 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: JediJones
Perry does have a good point. What if you, all by yourself, want to run for president but you’re from another state? If you’re running a one-man campaign, you’re legally barred from collecting your own signatures. But a Virginian candidate can do so. Seems like a clear violation of equal protection.

Then you might as well nationalize the primaries.

And does anybody know exactly how many signatures Perry submitted? I've seen 6,000 and I've seen over 10,000.
18 posted on 12/30/2011 1:43:30 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

So would it be legal for a state to say nobody who is from any other state besides theirs is allowed to be in their primary?


19 posted on 12/30/2011 1:47:57 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: JediJones
So would it be legal for a state to say nobody who is from any other state besides theirs is allowed to be in their primary?

We're starting to mix state politics with party politics. The national GOP could simply refuse to accept Virginia delegates or cut the number of delegates accepted if the Virginia GOP did something boneheaded like supporting that. The national GOP has reduced the number of delegates in the past when it wasn't happy with the state GOP primaries.

But that raises another issue - the national GOP could "punish" the Virginia GOP for it sticking to the 10,000 signatures and verifying them, and so far I've heard not a peep out of the national GOP on this issue as far as reducing the number of delegates.

The issue I raised is that if you have the federal courts go in and dictate to states that they can't verify the signatures and have to allow Perry/Gingrich on the ballot, then we've gone down the slope a little bit more.
20 posted on 12/30/2011 2:52:59 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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Does anybody here actually have a problem with states verifying signatures in the primaries?

If so, do you have a problem with Voter ID laws in the general election?
21 posted on 12/30/2011 2:54:27 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Do you think an election should be held by someone passing a petition around town and getting people to sign it, then calling who gets the most signatures the winner?

Should people have to be called in to a polling place on a specific day to write in their choices for who should get to appear on a general election ballot?

You’re comparing apples and oranges. Being able to get on the ballot is a fundamental aspect of a free and open democratic election. There should not be a prohibitively high bar set for that. Virginia is almost saying you have to prove you’ll win the election before you’ll be considered a candidate on the ballot. That’s not reasonable.


22 posted on 12/30/2011 5:11:08 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: af_vet_rr

I don’t think verifying the signatures is a legal problem. Requiring signature collectors to be residents of the state might be. What’s to stop them from saying anyone who works on your campaign has to be a resident of the state? And the other legal problem is that they changed their rules in October, long after the signature collection period had begun and campaigns had made their plans.


23 posted on 12/30/2011 5:17:16 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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