Posted on 12/29/2011 4:20:48 PM PST by mnehring
You think there's a choice if Paul get the Repub nod?
ML/NJ
Hard to believe Ron paul is third in National polls. If he is the Republican candidate it will take a lot for me to stagger to the polls and vote for him.
Don’t know if I can do it.I sure don’t want to.
It’s a bit like condemning America to a certain death.
Much like voting for Obama.
God save us.
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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I'll include my comment from this am's similar thread.
No, he isnt pro-Israel, and his positions on foreign aid are irrelevant.On numerous occasions hes addressed the problem of Jewish neocons and the Likud Party control of the neocon tainted Bush administration. Including on the floor of the House. Thats not pro-Israel, its conspiracy lunacy. Hes stated that the Mossad, like the CIA, may have been behind the 1993 Trade Center Bombing. Not pro-Israel, conspiracy nonsense. Like his contention that GWB was pleased by 9/11, also libelous. It seems to me as a Government official he has an obligation to make the facts known, and turn them over to law enforcement
He does acknowledge Jews lived in the region a couple millennia ago. Thats nice, I guess its a plus, though its a pretty widely accepted fact
He describes the history of Zionism as a movement of Orthodox Jews (Herzl would be surprised as would have most of the "Orthodox" of the day) who wanted to separate secular European Jews from the culture they had assimilated into so well. Secular European Jews fully integrated and accepted into late 19th century Europe, like Alfred Dreyfus. 19th and 20th century European Jews would be surprised to find they were so well accepted and integrated. Is Paul stupid, or a revisionist, I dont know.
Somehow his history of Israel and Zionism skips from the late 19th century to 1948 and the evil UN. Nothing important happened in the interim I guess, WWI, WWII, Turkeys defeat, the Mandate period, economic development of Palestine (thats what the future Jewish state was done), movement of Arabs to the region for economic reasons, no San Remo, no partitioning an Arab state for Jordon, no pogroms, the Mufti, he even forgets the little dust up caused by the Reich. All insignificant, I guess. Not worth assessing whether a defective version of history makes him pro-Israel.
Simply skip forward to 1948 when the UN lets Israel take the Arabs land. By successfully defending themselves from genocide I guess.
Quite telling is the Paul experience meeting a young palestinian attending school in the US. Her story about how her family was thrown off land in her family for centuries touched his heart. Just to build Israeli settlements. Hes a sentimental guy, but this is the Arab version of history.
Did I mention this meeting happened in the early 1950s, clear proof that Ron considers Tel Aviv a settlement. Like San Antonio I guess. But what the heck, it was just a group of people taking land from others on the specious arguement that G-d told them to do it. Classic pro-Arab fairy tale from the Congressman, not a pro-Israel position.
For anyone interested in learning more about the conflict, Paul recommends Jimmy Carter's Apartheid work. It's on the Code Pink suggested reading list too. Largely discredited in pro-Israel circles.
The idea that Paul is pro-Israel is absurd, he has a clear anti-Israel mindset. Whether hes an antisemite is a different issue not worth getting into. Because its an opinion, and irrelevant given his willingness to associate with world class Holocaust deniers, Jewhaters and racists. That alone should be a disqualifier for high office, as it should have been for the current occupant of the White House.
Interestingly like Obamas racist baggage Pauls has been known here on FR for years, its a shame more people didnt pay attention, preventing a potential embarrassment for whoever the Republican candidate is, and depriving Obama supporters of an effective issue.
A village is missing its idiot.
Me: "May I have my free trip to the Holy Land now?"
He merely raised the question among other possibilities. No need to hyperventilate. What, precisely, was the reason for those attacks? Do you know?
Yes, just happened to suggeset an alternate theory for a settled crime. A Congressman, no less. Personally I find it disturbing, the idea that he thinks it doesn’t matter whether it was Islamists or the Mossad. Does he hate Muslims, want’s to see them in jail for crimes they didn’t commit? Does he use Israel as a strawman to appeal to his hate community support? Either way his actions are shameful for an public official and should be taken with the seriousness of the drunk at the end of the bar.
What, precisely, was the reason for the 9/11 attacks? Do you know?
Sending billions to Israel (or other foreign lands for that matter) is like purchasing the perfect stick with which to beat a hornet’s nest, beating the nest repeatedly, and expecting only thanks in return.
How much have we spent?
Where has it gone?
What have we gotten in return?
There are a good many people in this country who would like to find out. It’s called “accountability,” and there’s nothing kooky about it.
Good grief I am so sick of hearing - foreign aide foreign aide wa wa wa.......
Less than 1% yes less that ONE PERCENT of the federal budget, 2010 figures, (private charities send nearly four times as much), which amounts to approximate less than $90 a year per person, goes to foreign aide and out of that 20% of that less than 1% goes to Israel. So Israel gets 20% of 1% or 1/5%, one fifth of a percent of the fed budget.
Pretty small investment for our only alias in the middle east, I would say.
Same reasons they (islmaic thugs) have said since the beginning, they hate us because we are not them. It is their duty to kill us all.
...and if you look at the actual ‘aid’ Israel receives, a good majority of it isn’t handing them cash but comes from highly discounted military purchases. So a majority of that ‘aid’ is just discounting what they buy from us.
The Islamists wanted a new holiday and a reason to sell sweets and souveniers.
Love the lighter
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We’re up to c. 200 billion on Israel so far. Pretty stiff price for two, big black eyes plus the ensuing expense of fighting wars on 2 fronts. But let’s not even think about it twice. That would be “kooky.”
Congratulations. Tasteless post of the year, and it’s only 1/2.
One twentieth of less than one percent of the federal budget to protect an alias.....nope I do not consider that kookie at all.
The question is why do you consider it an issue?
That could be true, discounting is a common practice. The big point is that foreign is less than one percent of the entire federal budget. I think PP, accorn, npr (couple of more liberal deals) get 1% combined.
I actually do not have a huge problem with aid to alais, I have a problem with aiding without accountability and to dictators.
I have also read that Paul (but can’t find the links) has said he want to keep aid to palestine. Although, it would not surprise me if he did, I also do not think he is stupid enough to say it.
!sigh!
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