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France makes it harder to become French
France24.com ^ | 12-29-11 | Not Listed

Posted on 12/30/2011 9:00:12 AM PST by bayouranger

France will be making it harder for foreigners to seek French citizenship as of January. Critics say the new requirements, which include tough language tests and allegiance to “French values”, are an electoral ploy that panders to the far right.

Foreigners seeking French nationality face tougher requirements as of January 1, when new rules drawn up by Interior Minister Claude Guéant come into force.

Candidates will be tested on French culture and history, and will have to prove their French language skills are equivalent to those of a 15-year-old mother tongue speaker. They will also be required to sign a new charter establishing their rights and responsibilities.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: filthykoranimals; france; immigration; koranimals
Le filthy koranimals are going to have a fit.
1 posted on 12/30/2011 9:00:16 AM PST by bayouranger
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To: bayouranger

Au revoir ummuah!

“France’s interior minister has made it clear that immigrants who refuse to “assimilate” into French society should be denied French citizenship.”


2 posted on 12/30/2011 9:05:27 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger
I noticed this par:

Candidates will be tested on French culture and history, and will have to prove their French language skills are equivalent to those of a 15-year-old mother tongue speaker.

So they're only going to admit cunning linguists? /James Bond reference>

Cheers!

3 posted on 12/30/2011 9:05:27 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: bayouranger

I think it’s the right thing to do. In Texas, where I live, I’m very sick and tired of everything having to be printed in both English and Spanish, at great expense to the taxpayers. FGS—our voting ballots are even printed in Spanish!

How dumb is that!


4 posted on 12/30/2011 9:06:06 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: bayouranger
Candidates will be tested on French culture and history, and will have to prove their French language skills are equivalent to those of a 15-year-old mother tongue speaker. They will also be required to sign a new charter establishing their rights and responsibilities.

If the US tried to do this the UN and the world would scream.

5 posted on 12/30/2011 9:07:29 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: bayouranger

Good for the French!


6 posted on 12/30/2011 9:08:30 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: bayouranger

They lifted the ban on soap? :)


7 posted on 12/30/2011 9:12:17 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: bayouranger

The Nation of France is doing what it should have had the sense to do years ago. Use the USA as an example.
The United States welcomed and absorbed literally millions of the “Tired, Poor, yearning to be free” and did what?
Each retained their native culture, but their children were taught in American schools, learning ENGLISH, AMERICAN history, AMERICAN culture and those immigrant children grew up to be AMERICANS, even as they acknowledged their roots.
Those new Americans grew up to take over the country, educationally, culturally, and politically. What was the origin of the Kennedys, Eisenhower, and hundreds of others who were “IMMIGRANTS” of the second or third generation.
France seems to have finally seen the fruits of the stupid drive to “Multi-culturalism”. Look around, you and see children, born here, yet unable to speak the “language of the land”, totally unlearned of American history and culture.
To France I can only say, “’Bout time, isn’t it?”


8 posted on 12/30/2011 9:12:57 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: Netizen

“If the US tried to do this the UN and the world would scream.”

Really?

Our ‘language’ test may not be as comprehensive but does insure a ‘candidate’ does know how to at least read and write English.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.749cabd81f5ffc8fba713d10526e0aa0/?vgnextoid=5efcebb7d4ff8210VgnVCM10000025e6a00aRCRD&vgnextchannel=5efcebb7d4ff8210VgnVCM10000025e6a00aRCRD


9 posted on 12/30/2011 9:13:43 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2
I wonder what the sentences are and if they ever change them? I was thinking more along the lines of making prospects learn our history and values and assimilation!
10 posted on 12/30/2011 9:17:43 AM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Bigh4u2

Now, if only we could get our government to ensure that only “candidates” are free roaming our Country.


11 posted on 12/30/2011 9:18:32 AM PST by liberalh8ter
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To: bayouranger

That’s so weird. It’s almost like the French value French citizenship and don’t think it should be passed out to any pedestrian that happens to stumble across their borders. Freaks. </obvious-sarc>


12 posted on 12/30/2011 9:20:19 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: bayouranger

Oh, no hairy ladies. That smell.


13 posted on 12/30/2011 9:21:32 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: bayouranger

They need to go further than that. The French have a negative population growth due to birth control and abortion. They will have to outlaw those for women who have fewer than two children.


14 posted on 12/30/2011 9:32:44 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Netizen

The ‘sentence’ is they fail.

No citizenship.

However, I’m not sure they will be deported, but will probably have their ‘green card’ extended until they pass the test.

“I was thinking more along the lines of making prospects learn our history and values and assimilation!”

The ‘history’ lesson is part of the test.

Heck, half, if not more of the naturalized ‘American Citizens’ probably couldn’t pass it.

As far as ‘values and assimilation are concerned, you can’t possibly mean they have to give up their ‘culture and values’ to comply to ours? Do you? /s

The ACLU would be all over you for ‘discrimination’./no sarcasm intended..


15 posted on 12/30/2011 9:45:33 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: basil
This bilingual deal was a failed experiment in Belgium, but it was such a gross failure Canada decided to adopt it.

I gather Texans are just enamored of all things Canadian ~ snow and stuff ~ so they've tried it.

It's stupid. We've known for thousands of years that linguistic minorities must still learn the language in general use as well.

16 posted on 12/30/2011 9:58:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: basil

well, the national language of France IS French while we don’t have a national language


17 posted on 12/30/2011 9:58:43 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Netizen

No they wouldn’t. The ACLU might, but those old boys in the UN know what it’s like living in places where you can’t order a pizza 10 miles away.


18 posted on 12/30/2011 9:59:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: bayouranger

While I applaud the move, until they kick out their Muslim population, it’s akin to closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped.


19 posted on 12/30/2011 10:00:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Cronos
well, the national language of France IS French while we don’t have a national language

"'Chapeau' means 'hat', 'Ouef' means 'egg', it's like those French have a different word for everything." - Steve Martin

20 posted on 12/30/2011 10:01:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: bayouranger

“France’s interior minister has made it clear that immigrants who refuse to “assimilate” into French society should be denied French citizenship.”

Is anyone in our government listening to this?


21 posted on 12/30/2011 10:09:55 AM PST by thecodont
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To: basil

I hate to break it to you, but they’ve been speaking Spanish in Texas a hell of a lot longer than English...


22 posted on 12/30/2011 10:10:35 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

I hate to break it to you, but they’ve been speaking Caddoan in Texas a hell of a lot longer than Spanish.

Texas” comes from a Caddoan Indian word. It is a Spanish corruption of the Caddo word Taysha, which means “friend.”


23 posted on 12/30/2011 10:28:05 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Indians in Texas? Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7

I’m pretty much thinking that you could take all the native Caddoan speakers and get them in one room. Spanish, not so much.


24 posted on 12/30/2011 10:37:41 AM PST by stormer
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To: dfwgator

:) boeuf = beef, mouton = mutton, porc = pork,


25 posted on 12/30/2011 10:51:41 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: muawiyah

Bilingualism was not an experiment that Belgium and Canada just decided to tryout one day. The people who speak English, French, or Flemish(Dutch) happened to live there before there was a Belguim or Canada. You could argue that the uniting of two distinct nations into one is a failure, but this is not bilingualism that is practiced in France or the US.


26 posted on 12/30/2011 11:10:34 AM PST by gusty
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To: Cronos

Those damn Normans had to ruin everthing. Them and the Vikings are why we have three words to describe the same thing all the time.


27 posted on 12/30/2011 11:14:11 AM PST by gusty
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To: gusty
Look, when Quebecers move to the US they learn English. When they move to Ontario they pretend to know English but never really learn it.

We all understand the deal ~ but why perpetuate it.

Belgium is different ~ French Protestants mixed with Dutch Catholics, ~ OH MY GAWD!

28 posted on 12/30/2011 11:34:19 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: stormer

The following tribes speak Caddo:

Arikara -in the Dakotas
Pawnnee
Wichita
Kitsai

The population of Caddo tribes speaking Caddoan
in Texas alone is 5,000.
Other states, LA,OK, SD, ND, AR, etc. also have Caddoan-speaking populations.


29 posted on 12/30/2011 1:33:28 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Caddo in Texas? Who knew?)
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To: Netizen

“If the US tried to do this the UN and the world would scream.”

If the US tried to do this the Democrats would scream. Oddly enough, the French actually have a lot more stones than us when defending their country from enemies within. If Rev. Wright was a mullah yelling “God damn France”, he’d be deported without even a hint of a trial.


30 posted on 12/30/2011 4:02:32 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Netizen
The U.S. needs to go around systematically removing people who do not speak English, and close down foreign language TV and radio stations.
31 posted on 12/30/2011 6:38:44 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: bayouranger
I don’t care how much fellow forum members hate the French and France. I am not about to surrender my beloved Europe to the Muslim fanatics and Mullahs. There will always be an England, and may Joan of Arc save France from the Islamic freak terrorist et all. Hate France all you want, I say God Save France and her WONDERFUL grapes!

If the Muslims have their way, as they say in their holy book – they will make the “evil berry” illegal (wine), and if they are about to take the Red vin away I say off with their heads! California wine is the best, but God save French wine!

I think this is great – that France is making citizenship count. I wish we would do the same!

32 posted on 12/30/2011 9:18:53 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Bigh4u2

Reading Test

You must read one out of three sentences correctly to demonstrate an ability to read in English.
Writing Test

You must write one out of three sentences correctly to demonstrate an ability to write in English.


33 posted on 12/30/2011 9:25:16 PM PST by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen

True. But since you may not know what ‘sentences’ you have to read or write, or what words are going to be used, before the test, a basic understanding of the language would be required to get it right..


34 posted on 12/31/2011 7:36:32 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: bunkerhill7

Not sure of your source, but I found this on Wiki:

Five languages belong to the Caddoan language family:
Caddo (dialects: Kadohadacho, Hasinai, Natchitoches, Yatasi)
Northern Caddoan Wichita (dialects: Wichita proper, Waco, Tawakoni)
Pawnee–Kitsai Kitsai (also known as Kichai) (†)
Pawnee Arikara (also known as Ree)
Pawnee (dialects: South Bend, Skiri (also known as Skidi or Wolf))

The Kitsai language is now extinct, as its members were absorbed in the 19th century into the Wichita tribe. All of the other Caddoan languages are critically endangered; Caddo is now spoken by only 25 people, Pawnee by 20, Arikara by three, and Wichita by just one tribal elder, Doris McLemore. Caddo, Wichita, and Pawnee are spoken in Oklahoma by small numbers of tribal elders. Arikara is spoken on the Fort Berthold Reservation in North Dakota.

Speakers of some of the languages were formerly more widespread; the Caddo, for example, used to live in northeastern Texas, southwestern Arkansas, and northwestern Louisiana, as well as southeastern Oklahoma. The Pawnee formerly lived along the Platte River in what is now Nebraska.

But let’s say your numbers are correct. 5,000/25,000,000 (Texas population) = 2 x 10^-4 or .02%; a small number indeed. If you want the state to print ballots in Caddo it’s fine with me, but I think you’ll find more people are using the Spanish ones...


35 posted on 12/31/2011 8:08:11 AM PST by stormer
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To: stormer

You can download the Caddo translator app. and use it-
contact Brenda at the Caddo tribal museum in Texas.


36 posted on 12/31/2011 8:46:10 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Caddo on iPad? Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7

Sounds pretty interesting. My dad’s 1/4 Arapaho and he’d get a kick out of that. Of course since he’s 90 years old, explaining what an “app” is will take a bit of doing...


37 posted on 12/31/2011 10:44:58 AM PST by stormer
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