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Obama: Is it too soon to judge his presidency?
Los Angeles Times / LATimes.com ^ | December 29, 2011 | 12:34 pm | Alexandra Le Tellier

Posted on 12/30/2011 1:25:43 PM PST by thecodont

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And yet, here we are at the end of 2011, with Facebook pages, Twitter accounts and discussion boards still teeming with intemperate quick takes. President Obama has taken considerable heat this year, but isn't it too soon to accuse him of being an ineffectual leader? Isn't that one lesson from the Tucson incident?

On a Christmas Day episode of "GPS" on CNN, Fareed Zakaria interviewed Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David McCullough, who reminded us that it's too early to cast Obama's legacy in stone. Here's an excerpt from their interview:

I admire him very much, and I think that his -- his time in office presented him with problems such as very few presidents have ever had to address. And given the complexity and the gravity of those problems, I think he's handled himself very well. My -- my hat goes off to him, my heart goes out to him. […]

All of our -- all of our best presidents, without exception, have had a sense of history, and I don't think that's coincidental. And one of the things that a sense of history gives to a person is not just an appreciation, an understanding of what happened before we came along, but the realization that we, too, are a part of history and we, too, are going to be judged by history. […]

And that's extremely important. Today's polls, today's -- tomorrow's headlines, are not going to matter.

Zakaria agreed: "[W]e cannot really tell the quality of a leader judged from the noise of the present. We need time and perspective."

(Excerpt) Read more at opinion.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012election; disaster; epicfail; nightmare; opinion; potus
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No. Not too soon at all.
1 posted on 12/30/2011 1:25:50 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

No.


2 posted on 12/30/2011 1:26:42 PM PST by oldbill
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To: thecodont
President Obama has taken considerable heat this year, but isn't it too soon to accuse him of being an ineffectual leader?

Yeah, sure... why not give him 20 years?

People are such meanies.

3 posted on 12/30/2011 1:28:48 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thecodont

No, I don’t think it’s too early to judge his presidency for what it is.

If it turns out that any of his legislation turn out well, I’ll give credit where credit is due.


4 posted on 12/30/2011 1:29:51 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: thecodont

Is it too soon for the rookie Hussein to be vetted?


5 posted on 12/30/2011 1:30:38 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: thecodont

ALL of the rules have to be changed to defend the ineffectual and corrupt wannabe dictator.


6 posted on 12/30/2011 1:30:42 PM PST by Spok (From hope and change to change is hopeless.)
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To: oldbill

I am shocked by this rudeness. How judgmental of you bigoted, inbred, hypocritical, violent, Sarah Palin-loving, Fox News-watching, Rush Limbaugh-hearing, Bible-thumping, tea-bagging, beer-swilling, moonshining, gun-slinging, truck-driving, non-recycling, high school dropouting people.

Did I leave a stereotype of conservatives out?


7 posted on 12/30/2011 1:31:12 PM PST by Mustang Driver
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To: thecodont

Well everything up until now has been either Bush’s fault or the fault of the Republican Congress. It probably is too early. /s

And we haven’t even gone through his “it’s the media’s fault” phase yet.


8 posted on 12/30/2011 1:31:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: thecodont

These people are the biggest bunch of intellectual douche bags the world has ever seen.

Oh if only we could see him in the fullness of time... blah blah blah...


9 posted on 12/30/2011 1:31:54 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thecodont
his time in office presented him with problems such as very few presidents have ever had to address.

Yeah, like the Civil War, the Great Depression, Pearl Harbor, the British attack on Washington, slavery, - Obama has it so much tougher.

And I used to respect David McCulloch as a historian. Maybe he's hanging around Michael Beschloss, who rated Obama as the most brilliant president ever, with an IQ off the charts (no doubt gleaned from Obama's school records).

10 posted on 12/30/2011 1:32:23 PM PST by oldbill
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To: thecodont
Well, it wasn't too soon to nominate him for a Nobel Prize two weeks after he was elected, was it?

Regards,

11 posted on 12/30/2011 1:32:42 PM PST by alexander_busek
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To: thecodont

The judgement on him has been made a long time ago. Guilty as charged.


12 posted on 12/30/2011 1:34:15 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: thecodont

They judged him worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize about an hour and a half after took office so three years in makes it easy to judge his presidency an abject failure easily positioning him way to the rear of Jimmy Carter as, not only the worst president but very possibly the worst person ever to hold national office.


13 posted on 12/30/2011 1:35:09 PM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: alexander_busek

Touche!

LOL!


14 posted on 12/30/2011 1:35:37 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thecodont

“...his time in office presented him with problems such as very few presidents have ever had to address.”

Oh, I am so sick of hearing that talking point. We don’t live in a perfect world, and every President inherits problems from previous administrations. Some have more than others, true. Bill Clinton inherited a lot fewer domestic problems than Reagan did, for example. But what matters is how a President *deals* with them. And on that count, Obama most certainly *can* be judged. And I think most people would agree it’s not the “B+” grade he gave himself earlier in the term.


15 posted on 12/30/2011 1:36:58 PM PST by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: thecodont
Obama: Is it too soon to judge his presidency?


16 posted on 12/30/2011 1:38:21 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: alexander_busek
Well, it wasn't too soon to nominate him for a Nobel Prize two weeks after he was elected, was it?

POTD. Well done.

17 posted on 12/30/2011 1:38:21 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: thecodont

He is in the Top 5 as the best of all time ............just ask him


18 posted on 12/30/2011 1:38:21 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Mustang Driver

Freeping.....?


19 posted on 12/30/2011 1:39:44 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: thecodont
Nope. It will be a long time before we have one worse. Correction, if we ever have one that is worse, it's over.

And I thought Carter was bad...........

20 posted on 12/30/2011 1:42:41 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: oldbill

With the amount of destruction and debt he has piled on the Republic to the Constitution the the damage he has inflicted on Christians, I would suggest that we the American people have a DUTY to judge his Presidency


21 posted on 12/30/2011 1:43:22 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: thecodont
Uh, let me think a moment ................... NO!!!!
22 posted on 12/30/2011 1:43:38 PM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: thecodont

Yes, it is too soon for people who IQ’s struggle to reach 60 to realize that the secular Messiah is a big fat Failure. For everyone else, it is obvious. Bob


23 posted on 12/30/2011 1:44:36 PM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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To: thecodont

“We need time and perspective.”

True enough. He needs time to get his head out of his @ss so he can get a better perspective.


24 posted on 12/30/2011 1:44:42 PM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: thecodont

Even the senile know he is the most fu** up president in history.


25 posted on 12/30/2011 1:45:08 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Well everything up until now has been either Bush’s fault or the fault of the Republican Congress.

The only thing that has improved during the Obama administration is his golf score and even that is questionable.

26 posted on 12/30/2011 1:46:07 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: thecodont

Hmmm, how long does it take two liberals to figure out how bad our current socialist president really is? 20 years? 30 years? How about NEVER. They will NEVER figure it out. It will always be someone else’s fault. What a couple of chuckleheads.


27 posted on 12/30/2011 1:48:08 PM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Lakeshark
And I thought Carter was bad...........

In 2008 I was telling people BO was going to be WORSE than Jimmy Carter. We who have lived through the Carter presidency have earned the right to make that comparison. It's a fair one.

28 posted on 12/30/2011 1:49:35 PM PST by thecodont
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To: varon

Yes, sure is... ;^)


29 posted on 12/30/2011 1:49:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: varon

BTW: How much is he using that basketball court at the White House these days? Purely show and tell IMO.


30 posted on 12/30/2011 1:50:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: thecodont
No. Not too soon at all.

Shoot, it wasn't "too soon" the day after this Narcissistic, Fascist, Neo-Commie took office.

Heck, he started going back on his "word" and prevaricating (ok, LYING) even during his campaign, begining with his breaking his promise to use only "public financing" and he has only increased in the number of times he has went back on what he promised and as far as his lying, well that happens just about every time he opens his mouth to speak.

31 posted on 12/30/2011 1:51:10 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“Office of the President-Elect.” Heh heh.

Remember when people were talking about putting BO’s face on

* Mount Rushmore?

* United States currency?


32 posted on 12/30/2011 1:53:42 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont
I was saying to people there were three kinds of voters in 2008.

The kind that remembered how bad Jimmy Carter was.
The kind that never knew and would never know how bad Carter was.
Then there was the kind that would soon learn just how bad he was.........

33 posted on 12/30/2011 1:55:31 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Mustang Driver

... We’re not ead. :O


34 posted on 12/30/2011 1:57:09 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, $pend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: thecodont

No. Obama is and has been a disaster. And will always be.


35 posted on 12/30/2011 2:01:24 PM PST by mulligan
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To: Mustang Driver
We're not brain dead; like them.... well like rombots/paulbots

36 posted on 12/30/2011 2:02:18 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, $pend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: thecodont

Well it is too soon to judge his RESIDENCY!


37 posted on 12/30/2011 2:07:59 PM PST by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: oldbill

his time in office presented him with problems such as very few presidents have ever had to address.

What unmitigated Bullshit.......
You think that maybe the first 3-4-5 Presidents of a beginning Nation did not have a few problems?
No problems presented to Lincoln did they?
WW1 and WW2 well just little speed bumps I guess.
The Great Depression? A good time was had by all!
The Korean War, the Cold War.
And last but far from the least 9/11....
Obama has been weighed
Obama has been measured
Obama has absolutely been found to wanting!


38 posted on 12/30/2011 2:08:24 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: thecodont

Dubya’s failure to prosecute and weed out the corruption of the Clinton cartel left us with the mess we have now.

If the GOP (Going On Progressive) party’s socialst RINO does win the election, nothing will really improve.

The republicrat oligarchy will maintain it’s wealth and power.


39 posted on 12/30/2011 2:08:24 PM PST by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: thecodont

Obammy has been nothing but a big turd of a president.


40 posted on 12/30/2011 2:09:53 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) You'd be mad as hell to if you were married to that wookie bitch little fag that he is)
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To: alexander_busek

The Nobel Prize, Harvard, MSM, journalism and basic honesty and integrity have all been trashed by these scum.


41 posted on 12/30/2011 2:10:01 PM PST by mcshot (Neither handsome nor handy but took an oath and will vote to save our Country.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Obama has absolutely been found to wanting!

As the moving finger wrote on the wall... (Daniel 5:1-4.)

Some creative FReeper here should kindly paste BO's visage over that of Belshazzar.


42 posted on 12/30/2011 2:14:26 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont; All
"Obama: Is it too soon to judge his presidency?"


43 posted on 12/30/2011 2:19:48 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mustang Driver

You forgot tobacco chewing, snuff dipping, cigarette smoking etc.


44 posted on 12/30/2011 2:20:26 PM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: oldbill

Off the charts alright, off the BOTTOM!


45 posted on 12/30/2011 2:21:46 PM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: Lakeshark; All
"Then there was the kind that would soon learn just how bad he was........."


46 posted on 12/30/2011 2:22:18 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: oldbill

Actually it IS too early, he may turn out to be even worse than what we know, if that is actually possible. The chance of his turning out to be anything other than a complete disaster is nonexistent.


47 posted on 12/30/2011 2:25:47 PM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: thecodont
Zakaria agreed: "[W]e cannot really tell the quality of a leader judged from the noise of the present. We need time and perspective."

Firstly, it has been generally admitted by many supporters that Obama uses the unusual technique of "leading from behind". This makes it clear that Obama's leadership is seriously deficient.

Even further, it should be noted that three years was more than enough for the mouthpieces of the main stream media to make a decision on the quality of President George Bush's leadership ability. Fareed Zacharia is engaged in crystal pure hypocrisy and high angular momentum spin.


48 posted on 12/30/2011 2:26:05 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: thecodont

Too soon?
We knew what he was going to do even before the election of ‘08................


49 posted on 12/30/2011 2:28:22 PM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: DemforBush
“...his time in office presented him with problems such as very few presidents have ever had to address.”

Oh, I am so sick of hearing that talking point. We don’t live in a perfect world, and every President inherits problems from previous administrations. Some have more than others, true. Bill Clinton inherited a lot fewer domestic problems than Reagan did, for example. But what matters is how a President *deals* with them. And on that count, Obama most certainly *can* be judged. And I think most people would agree it’s not the “B+” grade he gave himself earlier in the term.


The only problems Obama has that “ very few presidents have ever had to address.” is the world wide economic collapse of the same anti liberty, anti productivity and innovation Socialist Welfare State model that Obama is currently trying to impose on the United States and cram down American’s throats.

Europe has run out of other peoples money and so has the United States.

Obama and the Democrats are actively creating their own (near term) future crisis by borrowing trillions of dollars to float the system and dole out enough payoffs to keep enough Americans from truly realizing this simple fact until after he is re elected in 2012.

The true unemployment rate in the country is 16-22 %, as high as in the Great Depression, but we don't have soup lines- we have Government welfare EBT cards and 99+ weeks of unemployment checks to disguise the seriousness of the situation.

Regardless of who is elected in 2012, the country is going to have to go through a painful withdrawal from it's addiction to the spending of borrowed money to fund a professional welfare entitlement class with government transfer of wealth payments

In reality, what Obama has done is prolonged and intensified the inevitable downturn while at the same time squandering assets to hide and whitewash our problems so when the day of economic reckoning finally hits, our country will be flat broke with it's cupboards bare, too far in debt to allow for more borrowing and spending, and with with about 45 million long term unemployed people as the STARTING POINT for the downturn

Very scary to contemplate what these profoundly destructive people are in the process of doing to our country.

50 posted on 12/30/2011 2:29:45 PM PST by rdcbn
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