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Teddy vs. Calvin (Which Republican President is the better conservative standard bearer?)
American Thinker ^ | 12/31/2011 | Troy Smith

Posted on 12/31/2011 7:35:58 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Theodore Roosevelt seems to be in vogue among certain Republican contenders -- but his Republicanism might not be the most conservative brand available. In fact, a big ideological contender against Roosevelt is Calvin Coolidge, another Republican stalwart of the 20th century. Though these two men occupied the same political party, each embodies one side of a struggle between philosophical factions that continues today.

In summarizing his view of the proper role of the presidency, Roosevelt in his autobiography writes, "I declined to adopt the view that what was imperatively necessary for the Nation could not be done by the President unless he could find some specific authorization to do it"1.

In other words, Roosevelt rejected the notion that Article II defined his powers in the Constitution. If something needed to be done, according to Teddy, he should have the power to do it himself, unilaterally. In practical terms, this is a rejection of free-market capitalism and the separation of powers.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: conservatism; coolidge; roosevelt

1 posted on 12/31/2011 7:36:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t even have to read to rule in favor of silent Cal.


2 posted on 12/31/2011 7:40:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Coolidge was right about so many things. No wonder the public school commies bury his memory.


3 posted on 12/31/2011 7:43:50 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SeekAndFind

Upon taking office, Ronald Reagan found three presidential busts in the oval office. He removed FDR’s and replaced it with a bust of his favorite president, Calvin Coolidge.


4 posted on 12/31/2011 7:44:40 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ironically, Coolidge was once the mayor of Northampton Massachusetts, possibly the bluest city in America. Give me Coolidge any day and keep (the Roosevelts, the both of them) and their clones and admirers away from office


5 posted on 12/31/2011 7:46:04 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: SeekAndFind

Are we talking about John Calvin again? Religion has just taken over FR!


6 posted on 12/31/2011 7:46:30 AM PST by iowamark
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately, the article ended up endorsing Ron Paul as Cal’s standard bearer.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 7:46:39 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind
Keep Cool With Coolidge

I used to be a big teddy fan, but he started a lot of stuff that didn't blow up until well after he was out of office. And it was his third party run that got us Wilson. And that is a sin that can never be forgiven.
8 posted on 12/31/2011 7:48:33 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Man, hard to believe Calvin Coolidge was a truther, believing that the secret service blew up the Maine to get us in a war with Spain. (sarc)


9 posted on 12/31/2011 7:49:39 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Mitt Romney, a piss poor choice)
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To: SeekAndFind

10 posted on 12/31/2011 7:52:28 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind
Not even close- Coolidge.
11 posted on 12/31/2011 7:52:56 AM PST by libertymaker
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To: SeekAndFind
Do the day's work. If it be to protect the rights of the weak, whoever objects, do it. If it be to help a powerful corporation better to serve the people, whatever the opposition, do that. Expect to be called a stand-patter, but don't be a stand-patter. Expect to be called a demagogue, but don't be a demagogue. Don't hesitate to be as revolutionary as science. Don't hesitate to be as reactionary as the multiplication table. Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. Don't hurry to legislate. Give administration a chance to catch up with legislation.

Have Faith in Massachusetts as delivered by Calvin Coolidge to the Massachusetts State Senate, 1914.
12 posted on 12/31/2011 8:01:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek

TR could have given that portion of Coolidge’s speech.


13 posted on 12/31/2011 8:04:53 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: SeekAndFind

Calvin ended a pretty nasty recession almost overnight by having the government NOT do a damn thing.


14 posted on 12/31/2011 8:05:50 AM PST by Happy Rain ('The GOP establishment thinks a conservative can't win--Liberal Democrats KNOW conservatives win.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Silent Cal was awesome.

Lady: “I bet I can make you say more than two words.”

Coolidge: “You lose.”


15 posted on 12/31/2011 8:06:12 AM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: xkaydet65

Anyone can give a speech but Roosevelt was a progressive scumbag who blew a lot of hot air and bullied to get his way.


16 posted on 12/31/2011 8:07:57 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: SeekAndFind

TR was a follower of the British method of political executives: the executive can do anything not specifically prohibited by law. The German method of political executives: the executive can only do what is specifically provided for by law.


17 posted on 12/31/2011 8:10:51 AM PST by AceMineral (Some people are too stupid for their own good.)
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To: cripplecreek
Exactly. This is even a question? There were some things to like about TR, but there is no comparison on principles and actions.


18 posted on 12/31/2011 8:43:36 AM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: AceMineral

Judging TR, or any historical figure, by today’s standards, is misguided. He took over the Presidency at a time when a rapid expansion had created circumstances where the Federal Government HAD to step in. No food inspection, no child labor laws, widespread government corruption, particulary at the local level, unbelievable and unsafe living and working conditions, no enforcement of anti monopoly/trust laws; I could go on. TR did what needed to be done. A woefully ineducated populace was NOT equipped to take on any of these tasks. We could debate this all day, but know this; comparing TR and his actions as President and the atmosphere under which he governed to LBJ and the atmosphere under which he governed is simply ridiculous.


19 posted on 12/31/2011 8:50:03 AM PST by cumbo78
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To: iowamark
No, we're talking about a six-year-old kid with an all-wise stuffed tiger for a companion.

(Who is STILL way smarter than the average politician!)
20 posted on 12/31/2011 8:58:53 AM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: SeekAndFind
President and Mrs. Coolidge were each being given a tour of a modern poultry farm. Upon seeing the egg-laying facility the First Lady asked her guide, "How many times a day does the rooster perform his duty?" The guide answered, "Oh, I would have to say several dozen times a day." To which Mrs. Coolidge replied, "Tell that to the President."

Upon being told of the exchange between his wife and her guide, Mr. Coolidge asked, "Same hen?" The guide told him "Oh no, Mr. President. He performs his duty with a different hen each time." With a sly grin the President responded, "Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge."

21 posted on 12/31/2011 8:59:28 AM PST by Oratam
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To: cumbo78

from your post:
“A woefully ineducated populace was NOT equipped to take on any of these tasks”

“TR did what needed to be done”

These point to the crux of the problem with your claim and the cause of Progressivism. The Federal Government should have NOTHING to do with the claims you cite as problems. And, what if the goobermint was doing something contrary to specific constitutional provisions?

Coolidge’s brilliance was in getting out of the way. The second amendment takes care of most of the problems you cite.

The people are smarterer than most politicans see. (/sarc)


22 posted on 12/31/2011 9:13:03 AM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012 - (I can drean can't I?))
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To: cumbo78

No food inspection, no child labor laws, widespread government corruption, particulary at the local level, unbelievable and unsafe living and working conditions, no enforcement of anti monopoly/trust laws; I could go on. TR did what needed to be done.

These are all conditions that have existed from the beginning of time. There was no impending doom forcing him to unconstitutionally create a huge nanny state. None of what he did has fixed more problems than it created.


23 posted on 12/31/2011 9:23:15 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I really think America peaked in the late 19teens to middle twenties. We’ve been costing and declining ever since.


24 posted on 12/31/2011 9:54:19 AM PST by DManA
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To: Macoozie
Coolidge’s brilliance was in getting out of the way.

One year while President he vacationed for a month in N. Wisconsin. The nearest phone was 30 miles away.

25 posted on 12/31/2011 9:59:38 AM PST by DManA
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To: cumbo78
Judging TR, or any historical figure, by today’s standards, is misguided.

Good Point.

We see past politicians as fully-formed entities. In their own times, when they were active, the lines dividing them weren't always so clear.

Coolidge with TR Jr.

26 posted on 12/31/2011 10:07:04 AM PST by x
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To: SeekAndFind
My vote is for Calvin!


27 posted on 12/31/2011 10:13:36 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: SeekAndFind
T.R. was the first obamao-lite...He's the one that applied the first marxist cut of the thousand cuts that followed...
28 posted on 12/31/2011 12:18:42 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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