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Can the Government Guarantee Everyone a Job?
CNBC ^ | 12/31/2011 | John Carney

Posted on 12/31/2011 7:43:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, it can—but only if our society becomes fundamentally Marxist. And we’re well on our way. But most people who claim to WANT a government guaranteed job, really want to do nothing and collect a government guaranteed income. Which is what Marxism eventually devolves into. You pretend to work and we pretend to pay you.


41 posted on 12/31/2011 8:55:33 AM PST by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

People need work income to support their families. Without jobs in a democracy, anarchy grows. When capitalism does not supply the jobs for whatever reason, the voting public turns to government. Government acts to maintain society. Everyone has to benefit from capitalism for all to be successful. It’s conserving a nation. Sending jobs, factories and Treasuries to other countries and stashing profits there does not a great country make. Maximizing greed does matter if it ruins a country.


42 posted on 12/31/2011 9:01:20 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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43 posted on 12/31/2011 9:01:29 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals claim their thievery makes them the moral superior over their victims-Jack Wheeler)
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To: rbg81

You pretend to work and we pretend to pay you.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Well, that would certainly ‘solve’ the problem of those that NOW pretend to word and we DO pay them.


44 posted on 12/31/2011 9:05:45 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) EGOIST - A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. A. Bierce)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just have the government ‘employee’ everyone and our ‘elected’ officials will be our ‘bosses’ as well, and everyone will work for the good of the whole, and not as an individual.

Then, we can use the Military to police the citizens, since everyone is now an ‘employee’ of the government.

We could then rename our country to NEW RUSSIA, or something.

At least when the commies take over, the borders will be protected properly. Every cloud has a silver lining.


45 posted on 12/31/2011 9:10:21 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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A government that is licensed to give anything, can also take away anything.

I thought that by the concept of imminent domain that the government had made it law that they can take away anything. Although not without 'due process' (note: actual results vary from individual to individual).

46 posted on 12/31/2011 9:16:30 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: C210N

OH.... like our elected leaders are gonna go take the time to consult something like the Constitution. It’s hard to read behind that glass, and the line is usually long.


47 posted on 12/31/2011 9:23:48 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SeekAndFind

Employment is a privilege not a rite of passage!


48 posted on 12/31/2011 9:26:30 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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When people cannot find employment elsewhere, they would be able to turn to the government for a job.

Which means turning the taxpaying producers into prey who must support the parasites with higher taxes.

49 posted on 12/31/2011 9:42:11 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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"When people cannot find employment elsewhere, they would be able to turn to the government for a job.
"The federal government, in other words, would act on employment much like the Federal Reserve does for bank liquidity. It would be the employer of last resort."

Without being aware of it, Carney has, in this statement, summed up the final stage of a nation's departure from liberty into tyranny and oppression, according to Jefferson!

See Thomas Jefferson, below:

"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39

"[With the decline of society] begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia [war of all against all], which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40

Note Jefferson's observation that, when spending, debt, and taxation reach a certain point, citizens, in order to obtain "subsistence" (feed and clothe their families) will be glad to become paid employees of their slavemaster, the government, thereby "rivet(ing)" the chains of government to the necks of their fellow citizens.

Is that not precisely what Carney describes in the quoted portion of his article?

We must remember that wages for the government "jobs" this Administration wants to add must be obtained by incurring debt for future generations or "taking" from current private sector earners.

50 posted on 12/31/2011 9:52:22 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

Back to the USSR:
“We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us”.


51 posted on 12/31/2011 9:53:34 AM PST by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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See my Post #50 for Jefferson’s confirmation of your statement.


52 posted on 12/31/2011 9:53:42 AM PST by loveliberty2
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