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Gasoline may rise above $4 as plants [refineries] shut
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Posted on 12/31/2011 10:14:42 AM PST by Lorianne

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: epa; gasoline; keystonepipeline; refineries
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To: jonrick46

Most of Europe’s 60mpg diesels wouldn’t pass our smog or crash regulations. When they make sure they do, they don’t get any 60mpg any more.

Other thing is eventually the Euros are going to wake up and realize what that weird stuff all over their buildings is. Hint: Diesel residue is a carcinogen.


41 posted on 12/31/2011 3:47:25 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Figment

How would you drive out of state from Hawaii? It’s an island.


42 posted on 12/31/2011 3:49:01 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

How would you drive out of state from Hawaii? It’s an island.

They have an interstate highway


43 posted on 12/31/2011 5:15:31 PM PST by Figment
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To: Spktyr
How would you drive out of state from Hawaii? It’s an island.

Are you sure? I'll have to get a map.

44 posted on 12/31/2011 5:21:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

There are four signed intrastate Interstate Highways in the State of Hawaii:

http://www.interstate-guide.com/

http://www.ihoz.com/interstates.html

http://www.hawaiihighways.com/photos-overview.htm

I-H1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_H-1

I-H2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_H-2

I-H3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_H-3

I-H201

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_H-201

http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/ix01.html

There are also four unsigned interstates in Alaska, and three in Puerto Rico. Those roads are funded as Interstates but not built to Interstate standards.

(Happiness is being a Road Geek.)


45 posted on 12/31/2011 8:06:37 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Figment

That doesn’t actually go “interstate,” yes, I know. That’s a boondoggle that should never have been built as an interstate. :P


46 posted on 12/31/2011 8:54:50 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
"How would you drive out of state from Hawaii? It’s an island."

No, you're wrong. It is actually eight main islands and more that are too small to count. But you still missed the joke.

47 posted on 12/31/2011 9:11:21 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Last I checked, the big island is called Hawaii.

Again, how do you drive out of state from that island? ;P


48 posted on 12/31/2011 9:47:06 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Yep, the big island is Hawaii, but the comment related to driving from the state ... oh, nevermind ... I’m a little too finicky when it comes to details. Happy New Year!


49 posted on 12/31/2011 10:04:09 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: okie01; iowamark; Cyber Liberty; mamelukesabre; Figment; no-to-illegals; All

Having received a number of comments related to the issue of whether China will be the ultimate recipient of oil through the XL pipeline to Texas, I decided to do a little research. Here are some links for all to ponder and comment on. The first link is strongly negative.

http://stopbigoilripoffs.com/stop-the-keystone-xl-pipeline/

The second link is a technical report for the Dept. of Energy.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf/AssmtDrftAccpt.pdf

The third explores various political and practical implications of the current delay and the argument that if we don’t build it here it will go to Vancouver.

http://www.keystonepipeline-xl.state.gov/clientsite/keystonexl.nsf/AssmtDrftAccpt.pdf

I will be interested to see any additional information that can be developed on this highly controversial topic.


50 posted on 12/31/2011 11:16:25 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Lorianne; All

Apparently most of the XL Pipeline oil will be exported.


51 posted on 12/31/2011 11:18:07 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
One thing is for sure. If the Keystone pipeline is not authorized, Canada (and Trans-Canada) will build a pipeline to the Pacific and ship the crude to China. They'd be crazy not to.

If the Keystone pipeline is authorized, then that crude will move to the Gulf Coast for refining and distribution -- fulfilling roughly 8% of our total consumption and displacing approximately 16% of our current imports.

What isn't generally known is that about 70% of the project has been completed -- a line from Manitoba to Steele City, NE and thence to Wood River, IL and Cushing, OK has been completed. Trans-Canada has also announced that they will start work on the leg from Cushing to the Gulf.

The XL line at issue will serve as the hypotenuse of the triangle, from Alberta to Steele City, NE. Importantly, it will include a major terminal at Baker, MT to serve the Bakken oil field in the Dakotas.

In other words, we're already getting some of that crude. But not near as much as we could be. Plus, it will improve the availability of the Bakken crude.

Any idea of shipping Gulf-refined gasoline to China is absurd. Why do that?

52 posted on 12/31/2011 11:39:35 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Lorianne

Deflection....and expect more of it:

“Gasoline may rise above $4”..... as millions of non-producer Federal government paychecks, drive the prices of oil, gas, and essentials through the roof.


53 posted on 12/31/2011 11:41:40 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Spktyr

True. Emissions from petroleum based diesel has about 40 different chemicals; some of them not good. The soot is a fine particulate type which goes places in the body to do harm. Soot also picks up other airborne chemicals and viruses which enter the body. New cleaner diesel fuels are starting to be sold. The emissions from bio diesel are even better and have less health hazards. Some day we may be able to economically make diesel from algae. Until then, like Europe, we may have to make trade-offs between fuel economy and human health as technology makes our lives safer.

Happy New Year!


54 posted on 01/01/2012 12:34:55 AM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: okie01; iowamark; Cyber Liberty; mamelukesabre; Figment; no-to-illegals; All

Thank you for your detailed information. At my AOL email I was just served up more information, which you can check for accuracy considering the source. According to this we are actually exporting slightly more oil than we are importing, thanks to lower usage in US. We are also exporting gasoline. Oil companies are selling to the highest bidder and don’t care a fig about us consumers and our gasoline prices. A lot of our exports are to Europe and Latin America. One thing that worries me is that so much of our refining capacity is so vulnerable to hurricanes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/united-states-gas-export_n_1177559.html?ncid=webmail3


55 posted on 01/01/2012 9:41:51 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Lorianne

Obamas worst nightmares are all about hordes of white cracker good old boys in Ford trucks with lifts and big tires.

If he can get gas in the same price range as what the UK has to pay these monster trucks will starve.

In Obamas dreamland those good old boys will have to settle for Voltrucks instead.


56 posted on 01/01/2012 9:50:55 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Castigo Cay by Matt Bracken, check it out. And his other works.)
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To: gleeaikin
Oil companies are selling to the highest bidder and don’t care a fig about us consumers and our gasoline prices.

Oil companies should not sell to the highest bidder?

As an economy, we should not attempt to make more oil available, thus lower prices for everybody?

57 posted on 01/01/2012 5:44:21 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

When will people learn that the oil companies are the stocks that their 401(k)s invest in. The companies are not “Them”, the companies are “Us”.


58 posted on 01/01/2012 6:01:01 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Lorianne
We are a net importer of oil. We are a net exporter of gasoline.

Doesn’t make sense does it?

Why? You need complex and expensive refineries to turn oil into gasoline.

Iran, for instance, is a net exporter of oil and an importer of gasoline. They've got oil wells but no refineries, so they have to sell their oil and buy their gas from abroad. Embargoing their gasoline supply is often cited as a way to bring them to heel.

59 posted on 01/01/2012 6:06:11 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Vermont Lt
When will people learn that the oil companies are the stocks that their 401(k)s invest in. The companies are not “Them”, the companies are “Us”.

There is also a widely held attitude that oil companies should not raise their prices when their cost of raw materials goes up.

We don't ask that of candy companies. Nor do we expect it of bakers and candlestick makers.

But, somehow, oil companies are expected to absorb a $10/bbl increase in crude prices...and not reflect it at the pump.

60 posted on 01/01/2012 6:42:01 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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