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Romney and Paul Ahead in New Iowa Poll (In Virtual Tie)
New York Times ^ | December 31, 2011 | Michael D. Shear

Posted on 12/31/2011 5:47:06 PM PST by lbryce

The Des Moines Register poll — the final one before the Iowa caucuses on Tuesday — has Mitt Romney and Ron Paul virtually tied in the lead going into the final 72 hours before voting.

In the survey, Mr. Romney has 24 percent and Mr. Paul has 22 percent.

The new poll, which was released online by the newspaper at 7 p.m. local time, shows the candidates closely bunched up behind the two leaders.

Mr. Santorum has 15 percent in the poll while Mr. Gingrich gets 12 percent. Mr. Perry has 11 percent and Mrs. Bachmann gets 7 percent. The poll has a margin of error of 4 percent, the paper said.

The paper said that Mr. Santorum’s support boosts himself into second place when only the final two days of the poll were counted.

The survey reflects a reordering of the field in the last several weeks. The previous poll by the Register, released on Dec. 3, showed Mr. Gingrich with the lead, at 25 percent, Mr. Paul in second and Mr. Romney in third, with 16 percent support.

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1 posted on 12/31/2011 5:47:13 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

FINAL RESULTS:
604 respondents, over the last 4 days, MOE = 5.6%

Romney – 24
Paul – 22
Santorum – 15
Gingrich – 12
Perry – 11
Bachmann – 7

2-DAY RESULTS
302 respondents, over the last 2 days

Romney – 24
Santorum – 21
Paul – 18

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/31/romney-leads-paul-in-new-des-moines-register-iowa-poll-santorum-surging/


2 posted on 12/31/2011 5:51:05 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: CainConservative

ALL the momentum is with Santorum. Will the evangelicals tomorrow at church unite with their pastors? If so..

1. Santorum
2. Romney
3. Paul
4. Newt

Michele and Perry drop out to endorse??????

My head is spinning. But I’m sticking with Newt to close this out in SC & FL....


3 posted on 12/31/2011 5:55:15 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: lbryce
This stuff makes me think that the GOP is fatally flawed. Ron Paul is a Libertarian with a strong LIBERAL streak, and Romney is a flip-flopping establishmentarian who like big government just fine.

These people are leading the pack? We're doomed.

4 posted on 12/31/2011 5:55:19 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: lbryce

A poll on a Republican race in the RedStar & Sickle is like a PETA ranking of their favorite steakhouses.


5 posted on 12/31/2011 6:00:27 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: lbryce

It’s those wacky Iowans again! They’d vote for Sponge Bob if they could, just hear the media talk about how “unpredictable” they are. I wish we could pull the plug on this circus already.


6 posted on 12/31/2011 6:02:23 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: CainConservative

agreed. tomorrow could be a big day at the churches. After this, if the pastors/churches swing behind Santorum he could well take it.

Of course, Romney can still air some major ads against him.

but at this point I think Mitt doesn’t really care about IA. NH was always his bastion. As long as he wins there he’s fine.

And, he may actually be ok with Santorum winning as he’s much weaker going forward in SC and FL than Perry or Newt would have been. A much more preferred matchup for him. Santorum has no money or organization really in those states. And he has enough of a record and baggage the spotlight being shown on him won’t be all that pretty and could end up hurting the party and making Mitt’s case look all the better.

Maybe it’s those sweater vests Santorum has been wearing. Personally I don’t like them, don’t think they’re Presidential and make him look like a kid.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 6:04:58 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Keith in Iowa
The poll is by the DesMoines Register, not the Minneapolis Star-Tribune
8 posted on 12/31/2011 6:05:16 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: All

The 2012 Mayan Disaster right on schedule.


9 posted on 12/31/2011 6:07:08 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

You sure pegged that right. Sponge Bob? lol, but your right. They are enjoying their day in the spotlight, they mudy have so little in Iowa for entertainment.


10 posted on 12/31/2011 6:07:40 PM PST by annieokie
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To: bwc2221

The Register is Iowa’s Red Star&Sickle.


11 posted on 12/31/2011 6:18:12 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: CainConservative

This poll shows Ron Paul only two points behind Romney.

Paul is a bad choice but he’s the one closest to beating Romney who must be stopped.

Paul runs second to Romney in the latest New Hampshire polling.

I’m sick of the circular firing squad blasting off salvos for Perry, Santorum, Newt etc. etc.

Romney has the conservatives fighting each other instead of fighting him.

Maybe we can find a real conservative candidate to beat Romney when the vote reaches South Carolina and Florida later this month.

But for Iowa and New Hampshire the way to fight Romney is messier.

My first choice remains the one candidate most outside of business as usual politics, Bachmann, but she has no chance.

If I had to walk into a caucus next Tuesday night or vote in New Hampshire, I would be disgusted with the whole situation but I would vote to see Romney lose.

I want to start a fight between Romney and Paul rather than see the fight among conservatives continue while Romney rides above the fight.


12 posted on 12/31/2011 6:20:45 PM PST by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: CainConservative

The surge is working!


13 posted on 12/31/2011 6:22:11 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: CainConservative

The fight has to continue to South Carolina, but the fight among conservatives is not likely to stop unless we forget about any of them winning in Iowa or New Hamsphire.

Tactical votes to defeat Romney are a better alternative that cancelling each other’s votes (Perry, Santorum, Newt, Bachmann) out allowing Romney to win the first two contests and gain momentum going into the South.


14 posted on 12/31/2011 6:23:42 PM PST by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: lbryce
As Newt continues to remind us what important, he should win the nomination in the end.


15 posted on 12/31/2011 6:23:52 PM PST by show
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To: CainConservative

The surge is working!


16 posted on 12/31/2011 6:24:48 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: lbryce

The idea that Paul is even in the running is so ridiculous that it tells me that something is very wrong with a whole lot of people....like MAYBE pretend Repubs have infiltrated and ruined the entire process. PAUL IS CRAZY!!!!


17 posted on 12/31/2011 6:29:55 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: CainConservative

Win or lose the Perry campaign will still have plenty of cash on hand. His consultants will want to expend it and thus collect a share. Perry doesn’t need it for another campaign seeing as he officially “retired” last January. Bachmann, win or lose, probably will have less cash on hand. Her plan all along was to leverage a win in the state next to her base, and conveniently her birth state, into national momentum. Lose here and her presidential campaign is out of obvious options, but her backup option - staying in congress - could use any leftover funds. She might drop out if she does poorly enough, but a losing Perry would likely stay in, albeit damaged. Like Bachmann, Santorum has ‘bet the house’ on Iowa and has actually promised to drop out if he does too poorly there. But the trend suggests his bet may win, at least this round. Whether he can leverage such a win enough, and quickly enough, to succeed nationally remains to be seen. But last time Huckabee gained quite a bit from his unexpected Iowa win. Santorum lacks Huckabee’s considerable baggage and his records and positions are fiscally much more conservative than Huckabee’s, so his ceiling could be higher.


18 posted on 12/31/2011 6:35:40 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: show

If Newt can get through IA and NH in relatively good shape, with either a win in IA or a close 2d or 3d, he should be able to wrap up some of the Southern states and be the lead dog into Super Tuesday. Cross your fingers!


19 posted on 12/31/2011 6:47:53 PM PST by Iron Balls McGinty
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To: lbryce
Who are these whak-tard automata who support Wee Willy Willard at 17-25% across all polls no matter what? Pod people? Zombies? Carriers of brain parasites?

Alternative hypothesis: Do that many Mormons live and vote in Iowa?
20 posted on 12/31/2011 6:53:42 PM PST by Timaeus (I will vote for any GOP nominee but Willard Mitt Romney)
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To: Iron Balls McGinty
Cross your fingers!
Yes, crossed, and I want Romney to rise rise rise into the ignominy of complete obscurity following defeat after humiliating defeat. But that's just me. Go Mitt! And by "go" I mean "go away".
21 posted on 12/31/2011 6:57:05 PM PST by Timaeus (I will vote for any GOP nominee but Willard Mitt Romney)
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To: Timaeus
Newt has worked with Reagan on the tough issues and has the endorsement of Arthur Laffer, Reagan's man. Go Newt!!!


22 posted on 12/31/2011 7:02:20 PM PST by show
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To: ClearCase_guy

If this primary has shown one thing at all, it shows the GOP isnt what it used to be. It’s in a state of flux.

Part of it is because the Democrats are moving further and further left. Which means we are picking up moderates and libertarians which is diluting the social conservatives. You also have the generation X’ers and Y’ers that are starting to get more involved with politics. And many of them are as whacky as Ron Paul.

The majority of youth in this country are either liberal or libertarians. Not very many people are 100% conservative when they graduate college.


23 posted on 12/31/2011 7:06:55 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: lbryce

Newt continues to fade away, Perry shows no bounce at all, and Iowan native Bachmann is deader than dead. I don’t see how she can continue at all after this. And once again, we see from the Ron Paul numbers that the mentally ill amongst us are far larger than we ever imagined. And all of this - by design - keeps one man on top...the nightmare candidate Mittens. What a mess. Obama must be thrilled.


24 posted on 12/31/2011 7:07:18 PM PST by montag813
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To: Timaeus

Hardcore Branstaders, I think.


25 posted on 12/31/2011 7:07:38 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: jeltz25
tomorrow could be a big day at the churches. After this, if the pastors/churches swing behind Santorum he could well take it.

I certainly hope you are wrong. If my pastor encourages our parishoners to vote for anyone special, I will be very unhappy.

Church is no place to do that when we have this many social conservatives all bunched up together.

Any pastor who goes out on a limb and tries to influence his parishoners, is in for a whole lot of trouble.

26 posted on 12/31/2011 7:10:23 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: lbryce

Congrats to Bulldog Santorum. I can’t wait for the NEXT debate when Rick tears into Willard.

Hopefully, our final four going into SC:

1. Conservative Gingrich
2. Conservative Santorum

3. Liberal Romney
4. Crackhead Paul

..which means, that’s the order they should finish in SC, imho. : )


27 posted on 12/31/2011 7:13:00 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Did you ever go to a Evangelical church in Iowa on the Sunday before a Republican caucus? ; )


28 posted on 12/31/2011 7:17:41 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“This stuff makes me think that the GOP is fatally flawed.”

The gop has been fatally flawed for conservatives for years. Yet conservatives continue to vote for whatever big government centrist the gop nominates. The threads about 8 months from now will be hilarious as “conservatives” attempt to rationalize why they plan to vote for mittens. The guy doesn’t have a conservative bone in his body, yet he’ll still get the bulk of the conservative vote. See tagline.


29 posted on 12/31/2011 7:19:41 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: CainConservative
My church is called evangelical but I betcha we won't even hear a word about the caucus, and we shouldn't. If my pastor tries to tell me who to support at the caucus, he will be in a whole lot of trouble. He isn't going to do it and it won't matter if he would tout my man, I would be extremely unhappy.

Who do these pastors think they are, anyway? God?

I have no problem with them being involved politically but they certainly should not get involved in a primary.

30 posted on 12/31/2011 7:22:56 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Nextrush

Paul would be a better choice than Mitt??? Come on. Either you are one of those Paulbots or one of those with RDS (or both).


31 posted on 12/31/2011 7:26:07 PM PST by willk
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To: willk

What is RDS?


32 posted on 12/31/2011 7:31:15 PM PST by ansel12
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Who do these pastors think they are, anyway? God?

Why, is God into politics? I know, He will be busy helping out Tebow in Denver Sunday : )

33 posted on 12/31/2011 7:32:12 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: ansel12

I was going to ask the same thing about “RDS”. What the heck is it?


34 posted on 12/31/2011 7:34:38 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: CainConservative
Des Moines Register / Selzer & Co polling has a pretty good track record in Iowa.

Santorum has a shot at winning this thing, which is amazing. A strong 3rd is great for him, a 2nd place finish over Paul sets up a Romney vs Santorum narrative, and a win blows this thing wide open.

35 posted on 12/31/2011 7:36:45 PM PST by Crichton
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To: Nextrush

The race begins in South Carolina. Iowa is an anomaly, and NH is bagged for The Socialist. SC is coalesce time for the non-Romney who can beat Romney. Looks to be Newt if national polls mean anything.


36 posted on 12/31/2011 7:45:03 PM PST by RitaOK (The higher you poll in Iowa, the more embarrassing it is for that candidate.)
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To: lbryce

after watching (again) the fiasco that is Iowa politics, I have lost all respect for thier so called caucus method...it is, at best, pathetic


37 posted on 12/31/2011 8:07:36 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: CainConservative

Every four or five months I check back in to FreeRepublic to take a gander at the obsessed Romney-hatred. I see it has risen to the unhealthy level of fanaticism.


38 posted on 12/31/2011 8:10:13 PM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: Edit35

Well, if you’ve got a candidiate with the utter pomposity, temerity to call himself a “Republican” and yet is politiclally nearly indistinguishable from one of the most liberal, left-wing candidates in presidential history there’s going to be legitimate animus from those who seek to support a genuine candidate.


39 posted on 12/31/2011 8:54:53 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: lbryce

I wanted either Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrich, whichever one had the best shot at winning. That appears to be Santorum. If Romney or Paul wins Slick Willard will likely be the nominee *barfs*


40 posted on 12/31/2011 8:57:37 PM PST by PAConservative1
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To: lbryce

Sad day for America when multi million dollar smear campaigns work and win. If voters are too damn ignorant to do their homework and vie for candidates like Paul and Romney...GOD help us!!!!!!!!! amazing Gingrich is even in double digits after the onslaught by the gop establishment and millions spent bashing him. I am so disgusted. Go to Bing or google and all pop ups that are anti Newt (when I type in his name) but type in Romney and it is all green lights. FUMR AND FUFAUXNEWS


41 posted on 12/31/2011 11:46:56 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

With all the smear from Romney you'd think he didn't push abortion, gays and gun bans.

42 posted on 12/31/2011 11:54:30 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

You got that right PhilDragoo:) the only Speaker of the House with such great accomplishments. Tell that to Rove, Faux News, Imus, Anne “adams apple” Coulter and Larry Sabato. Newt brings real HOPE to this nation ...NO ROMNEY...NO Paul...GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NEWT!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD be with us in this fight


43 posted on 01/01/2012 12:02:31 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: CainConservative; ansel12

DS=”Derangement Syndrome”, one assumes (s)he means “Romney Derangement Syndrome.”


44 posted on 01/01/2012 12:50:53 AM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: willk

Why is that so absurd? Paul is a loon on defense and foreign affairs, but great on economics. That makes him better than Myth, who is a lefty on economics but mushy moderate on defense.

Right now my ranking of them all is:

Newt
Santorum
Perry
Bachman
Paul
Huntsman
Myth

If elected, Myth will destroy conservatism for a generation. At least people will recognize Paul isn’t a conservative.

Hank


45 posted on 01/01/2012 1:02:53 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away. Num)
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