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Pharmacy robber, federal agent shot dead in NY
AP Yahoo ^ | January 1, 2012 | CRISTIAN SALAZAR

Posted on 01/01/2012 10:26:40 AM PST by Navy Patriot

An off-duty federal law enforcement agent who happened to be in a pharmacy during a holdup confronted the robber as he tried to leave with money and painkillers, and both were shot to death.

The off-duty Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent died after being taken to a hospital with a gunshot wound Saturday, Nassau County police Lt. Kevin Smith said.

Police said the gunman entered the pharmacy in Seaford about 2 p.m., looking for painkillers and money, and announced a holdup. As he tried to leave with what he came for, three people confronted him: the ATF agent, an off-duty city police officer and a retired police officer.

It wasn't clear what happened next or who shot either man. The off-duty police officer and the retired officer were taken to a hospital to be treated for trauma.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; shot; wrong
Two subject article.

The second subject is the increase of LEOs shooting and killing their own in plainclothes.

The New York gun ban is creating trigger happy cops. They just shoot anyone with a gun not in uniform.

1 posted on 01/01/2012 10:26:52 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot
The New York gun ban is creating trigger happy cops. They just shoot anyone with a gun not in uniform.

No, the "New York gun ban" is not creating trigger happy cops. They've been around as long as there have been cops.

2 posted on 01/01/2012 10:30:23 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Ignorance is no excuse.)
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To: Navy Patriot
As he tried to leave with what he came for, three people confronted him: the ATF agent, an off-duty city police officer and a retired police officer.

Oops.

3 posted on 01/01/2012 10:31:27 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Navy Patriot

Were any of these men wearing a uniform?


4 posted on 01/01/2012 10:36:23 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Navy Patriot

Where was the dog in all of the commotion?


5 posted on 01/01/2012 10:36:58 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Who was the ATF agent?


6 posted on 01/01/2012 10:41:09 AM PST by fudimo
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To: Navy Patriot
All three lawmen men descended on the would-be thief. During the ensuing melee, someone’s gun went off, and Capano was shot.

Sources said it was unclear whose weapon fired at the Long Island dad, but investigators are probing to see if it was the retired lieutenant’s gun.

Sources said the perpetrator then stood and pointed his gun, and was then shot dead. It was not clear who shot him, but the NYPD officer did discharge his gun, sources said.

"Someone's gun went off"? All by itself?

7 posted on 01/01/2012 10:43:56 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: the invisib1e hand
No, the "New York gun ban" is not creating trigger happy cops. They've been around as long as there have been cops.

Yep, you're correct, I should have said MORE trigger happy cops.

FBI stats for more than 30 years hover around LEOs being six times more likely to shoot the good guy, than civilians using a firearm in defense of life or property.

8 posted on 01/01/2012 10:44:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

I somewhat agree with your point on the NY gun ban.

The truth is if you are in an altercation with a criminal perp either as plain clothes LEO or as a CCW licensed civilian, your risk of getting shot by other uniformed or plain clothes LEOs is quite high.

It can become mass target confusion where shoot first and ask later reigns. It isn’t like in the movies where cops all know each other on sight. If you are a civilian trying to stop a criminal event your chances of being shot (by a cop or another armed civilian) or charged are even worse.

Will LE disclose who shot whom?


9 posted on 01/01/2012 10:44:34 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: fudimo

I found out from the cleanupatf blog.

It is with great sadness that we pay tribute to a true hero and ATF Agent. Yesterday Special Agent Capano while off duty and out with his family, observed an armed robbery of a pharmacy occur. Special Agent Capano knew what to do and did what hundreds of ATF Agent across the country do everyday. He said “NOT ON MY WATCH”. Special Agent Capano confronted the armed perpetrator and was killed during the ensuing attempt to arrest the violator. We offer our shared sadness and condolences to the family, offer our prayers and gratitude for his heroic actions. By his actions, there is one less violent predator in this world who can no longer hurt anybody else. Our prayers are with Agent Capanos family, and hope they will find comfort in the fact that their father and husband is a true American hero. Semper Fidelis Special Agent John Capano


10 posted on 01/01/2012 10:45:30 AM PST by fudimo
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To: nuconvert
Were any of these men wearing a uniform?

I believe the only person in uniform was the robber. :^)

11 posted on 01/01/2012 10:47:19 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot
The second subject is the increase of LEOs shooting and killing their own in plainclothes.

Where did you see that? I saw:

It wasn't clear what happened next or who shot either man.

12 posted on 01/01/2012 10:48:25 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Navy Patriot
FBI stats for more than 30 years hover around LEOs being six times more likely to shoot the good guy, than civilians using a firearm in defense of life or property.

Not surprising. The cop will usually be coming late to the party and have to make an instant decision as to who's who. The armed civilian operating in self defense just needs to know that a guy pulling a weapon on him is probably not a god guy.

13 posted on 01/01/2012 10:51:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: apoliticalone
If you are a civilian trying to stop a criminal event your chances of being shot (by a cop or another armed civilian) or charged are even worse.

True, and I learned (by observation, fortunately) in the 70's to not do that.

Life ain't like the movies.

14 posted on 01/01/2012 10:58:07 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Graybeard58
Where did you see that?

You need to read a little farther, this was excerpted, ya know.

15 posted on 01/01/2012 11:01:42 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

Not really. Cops in mufti have long been told that they will probably not be recognized as an officer and stand a good chance of getting shot by uniformed officers.
I can only imagine what a cluster that Pharmacy was with four guys with guns, none of them in uniform, all yelling and pointing weapons.


16 posted on 01/01/2012 11:02:16 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Sooth2222
"Someone's gun went off"? All by itself?

Yeah, I hate it when my revolver goes full auto, too.

17 posted on 01/01/2012 11:04:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

18 posted on 01/01/2012 11:06:45 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: PapaBear3625
The cop will usually be coming late to the party and have to make an instant decision as to who's who. The armed civilian operating in self defense just needs to know that a guy pulling a weapon on him is probably not a good guy.

Nope, the operative factors are responsibility and consequences, that's why the stats don't change.

19 posted on 01/01/2012 11:08:56 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot
All three lawmen men descended on the would-be thief. During the ensuing melee, someone’s gun went off, and Capano was shot. Sources said it was unclear whose weapon fired at the Long Island dad, but investigators are probing to see if it was the retired lieutenant’s gun. Sources said the perpetrator then stood and pointed his gun, and was then shot dead. It was not clear who shot him, but the NYPD officer did discharge his gun, sources said.

Well, let's see. We know that the NYPD officer shot his weapon. Was the thief's gun fired? If so, the thief's gun "went off". Was the retired officer's gun fired? If so, the retired officer's gun "went off". If neither was fired, it was the NYPD officer's gun.

Not really that complicated.

20 posted on 01/01/2012 11:09:58 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Navy Patriot

“The New York gun ban...”

What New York gun ban? Guns are banned in NY?

Prayers for his family.


21 posted on 01/01/2012 11:14:13 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: elkfersupper

LOL, thanks, I’ll see to it that this pic gets around!


22 posted on 01/01/2012 11:15:40 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot
Nope, the operative factors are responsibility and consequences, that's why the stats don't change.

That's true. The cop's highest priority is usually his own personal safety, which makes him more likely to blow away anybody with a weapon who's not in uniform.

23 posted on 01/01/2012 11:22:35 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Navy Patriot
You need to read a little farther, this was excerpted, ya know.

I read the entire article before I replied, just to make sure I just read it again. Nowhere does it say that's what happened in this incident, it gives three examples but not this one.

Your clear implication was that one cop shot another and while that may be the case it is not stated in this article. Your agenda on the other hand is perfectly clear. thankfully J.R. and the mods only put up with this shit so much and then they start banning people.

Get a life that cop bashing is not part of and argue with yourself, no reply you make to me will be read.

24 posted on 01/01/2012 11:31:14 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Navy Patriot
LOL, thanks, I’ll see to it that this pic gets around!

I had a concern that it might be a little tasteless, then I had a conversation with my son, who has been shooting since he was 6 years old and is now a NM County Sheriff's Deputy.

I taught him and he does not even like to be around some of his co-workers on the range.

He said it is scary.

25 posted on 01/01/2012 11:36:14 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Navy Patriot

What are the odds that all three of them would show up at this one pharmacy? Neighborhood watch program just a little too effective, maybe?


26 posted on 01/01/2012 11:40:25 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Graybeard58
The 2 cops didn't know the ATF agent was following the perp. All they know is that a robbery is in progress. They see two people who are both armed outside the drugstore. The lack of information coming from the authorities makes me think friendly fire took down the ATF agent. I hope I'm wrong.
27 posted on 01/01/2012 11:41:24 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
These armed fuster clucks are all-too-frequent occurrences.

I wonder what can be done to give these poor off-duty fellows a FOF capability. Maybe some kind of loud beeper signal that they could wear and deploy when in mufti.

The one item the story (fairly well done for a change) leaves out, perhaps because it has not yet been determined, is whose bullet killed Capano.

At this point in our history, the needless loss of one brave man is a national tragedy.

28 posted on 01/01/2012 11:45:24 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: CaptainK

Both cops being treated for trauma I would almost bet it aint because they put the bad guy down.


29 posted on 01/01/2012 11:51:02 AM PST by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Graybeard58
Your clear implication was that one cop shot another and while that may be the case it is not stated in this article.

Is that so? Not only can you not comprehend English, your mind reading is slipping as well.

I made it perfectly clear that the article addressed two subjects and it was clear that I commented on the second subject, as the facts of the first were still unknown.

My comment exactly as written:

"Two subject article."

"The second subject is the increase of LEOs shooting and killing their own in plainclothes."

The New York gun ban is creating trigger happy cops. They just shoot anyone with a gun not in uniform."

Your agenda on the other hand is perfectly clear.

And what might that be, clairvoyant one?

That cops can do no wrong? It's just a dead civilian?

thankfully J.R. and the mods only put up with this shit so much and then they start banning people.

Yeah, they do, hit the abuse button and bring it.

30 posted on 01/01/2012 12:18:58 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: panaxanax

“What New York gun ban? Guns are banned in NY?”
You were right to be surprised. Guns are not banned in New York State.People who live in the many rural communities in the vast northern region of the state are gun owners from childhood. On Long Island, where this shooting occurred, and where I live, you have to have a permit to carry a handgun but not to own a rifle. In NYC, which is not Long Island,you are not allowed to carry a hand gun. People who do not live in this state often lump the whole place together with New York City which, of course, could not be further from the truth. Although, there are similarities in downstate communities, New York City and any upstate town are worlds apart.


31 posted on 01/01/2012 12:22:37 PM PST by sueuprising (The best of it is, God is with us-John Wesley)
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To: sueuprising

I know, I’m an upstater myself. Also, Mrs. panax and I both have full CCW permits.

You are right about those that do not know the difference between NYC and the rest of the state. I have to admit that we thought the same thing over 20 years ago when we came through NY and decided to move here from the west coast.

Thanks


32 posted on 01/01/2012 12:30:36 PM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
What are the odds that all three of them would show up at this one pharmacy?

Probably unlikely.

The article does not make clear whether or not any of the three LEOs knew one another or arrived together. Absent that information, each may have thought the others were civilians until they identified themselves.

If, when and how that happened is not related. There isn't enough in the original article to support good theory.

33 posted on 01/01/2012 12:32:04 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

If the ATF guy hadn’t died this would make for a great piece of comedy on SNL.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 12:34:12 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
If the ATF guy hadn’t died this would make for a great piece of comedy on SNL.

Statistically, this has gone on unchanged for way too long, and the stats are generated by the cops not the citizens.

SNL is notorious at mis applying facts and stats, I doubt they'd get it right.

35 posted on 01/01/2012 12:50:27 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Graybeard58

Go to the actual story and read the last four paragraphs. The reporter recounts several instances where cops are shooting plain clothes cops.


36 posted on 01/01/2012 12:55:40 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Jack Hydrazine
What are the odds that all three of them would show up at this one pharmacy?

When it gets to the point that you have 3 cops per criminal and none of the cops are wearing a cop uniform, I would say that we have way too many cops.

37 posted on 01/01/2012 1:37:15 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

The USA has the highest amount of law enforcement officers in world. From what I have heard the skinhead/aryan nation idiots in the Idaho and Montana area have so many undercover government agents that have infiltrated them that the ratio is around two or three gubmint agents to one of them.


38 posted on 01/01/2012 1:54:59 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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There is no indication that NY State, City, or County police personnel were involved in this incident. Any quotes stating so should cite the source.

Condolences to the family of the deceased agent.


39 posted on 01/01/2012 2:18:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yeah like in Pink Cadillac with Clint Eastwood and Bernadette Peters who is funny as heck.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 2:24:10 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: Navy Patriot
When the robbery took place, John Capano was in the store to pick up cancer meds for his 82-year-old father, who is a retired NYPD detective. Capano followed the robber out the door. Then, according to the New York Daily News,

John Capano confronted the thief, who was carrying stolen cash and OxyContin, outside the pharmacy.

Meanwhile, someone ran for help to the deli next door, and an off-duty NYPD cop and retired Nassau County lieutenant jumped into the action.

John Capano was shot in the mayhem. The robber then pointed his gun at the cop and retired lieutenant, sources said, and was fatally shot by one of them.

So, it's clear as mud. However, it's also clear the cops who were in the deli had not seen the robber in the dug store.

41 posted on 01/01/2012 2:43:50 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Navy Patriot

RIP.


42 posted on 01/01/2012 4:29:10 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Jack,

I do not pretend to know anything more than what was written in the article, but I can tell you this:

Since all three LEOs were apparently off duty, I would venture that all three actually LIVED in the neighborhood.

I don’t know where you’re from, but I live on Long Island and can tell you that Seaford and MANY other neighborhoods (including my own) are both densely populated and home to very high numbers of policemen and their families. Chances are, all of them lived nearby and they were simply out shopping yesterday, possibly stocking up on necessities before the stores closed early for New Year’s.

Regards,

PS: Once again, I do not know where these guys lived. Still, the above is my best guess.


43 posted on 01/01/2012 4:45:14 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Oops!

Correction 1: The dead ATF guy was from Massapequa, the town next door to Seaford.

Correction 2: Only 2 officers were off duty. The other was retired.

Regards,


44 posted on 01/01/2012 4:49:40 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: PapaBear3625
That's true. The cop's highest priority is usually his own personal safety, which makes him more likely to blow away anybody with a weapon who's not in uniform.

They are also more likely to blow away people holding keys, cell phones, soda bottles and other non-weapon like objects. This is proved by numerous TRUE articles describing such events. Cops have the responsibility to make sure of their targets, and to make sure they are not killing some law abiding citizen they think is a bad guy.

45 posted on 01/01/2012 6:08:25 PM PST by calex59
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To: cynwoody
So, it's clear as mud. However, it's also clear the cops who were in the deli had not seen the robber in the dug store.

This is as difficult as it gets.

Again, without complete information, Capano may have followed the robber out of the pharmacy, not expecting to find two plainclothes, off duty cops there that didn't know who he was.

The response changes at one fifth of a second intervals, and I can't imagine a worse situation for identification of who is who.

My point is that gun prohibition laws lure cops into an attitude that anyone not in uniform with a gun is a legitimate target.

46 posted on 01/01/2012 6:09:36 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Navy Patriot

Wouldn’t it be a fantastic coincidence if the ATF agent who was killed had any involvement in Fast and Furious? Nah, nobody would believe it.


47 posted on 01/01/2012 11:14:14 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Navy Patriot

The linked article illustrates why those who carry concealed must consider very carefully how to respond to an incident. If you don’t KNOW exactly who is armed and why then you will be taking a huge risk by drawing your gun.


48 posted on 01/01/2012 11:19:28 PM PST by William Tell
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