Skip to comments.Pharmacy robber, federal agent shot dead in NY
Posted on 01/01/2012 10:26:40 AM PST by Navy Patriot
An off-duty federal law enforcement agent who happened to be in a pharmacy during a holdup confronted the robber as he tried to leave with money and painkillers, and both were shot to death.
The off-duty Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent died after being taken to a hospital with a gunshot wound Saturday, Nassau County police Lt. Kevin Smith said.
Police said the gunman entered the pharmacy in Seaford about 2 p.m., looking for painkillers and money, and announced a holdup. As he tried to leave with what he came for, three people confronted him: the ATF agent, an off-duty city police officer and a retired police officer.
It wasn't clear what happened next or who shot either man. The off-duty police officer and the retired officer were taken to a hospital to be treated for trauma.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
The second subject is the increase of LEOs shooting and killing their own in plainclothes.
The New York gun ban is creating trigger happy cops. They just shoot anyone with a gun not in uniform.
No, the "New York gun ban" is not creating trigger happy cops. They've been around as long as there have been cops.
Were any of these men wearing a uniform?
Where was the dog in all of the commotion?
Who was the ATF agent?
Sources said it was unclear whose weapon fired at the Long Island dad, but investigators are probing to see if it was the retired lieutenants gun.
Sources said the perpetrator then stood and pointed his gun, and was then shot dead. It was not clear who shot him, but the NYPD officer did discharge his gun, sources said.
"Someone's gun went off"? All by itself?
Yep, you're correct, I should have said MORE trigger happy cops.
FBI stats for more than 30 years hover around LEOs being six times more likely to shoot the good guy, than civilians using a firearm in defense of life or property.
I somewhat agree with your point on the NY gun ban.
The truth is if you are in an altercation with a criminal perp either as plain clothes LEO or as a CCW licensed civilian, your risk of getting shot by other uniformed or plain clothes LEOs is quite high.
It can become mass target confusion where shoot first and ask later reigns. It isn’t like in the movies where cops all know each other on sight. If you are a civilian trying to stop a criminal event your chances of being shot (by a cop or another armed civilian) or charged are even worse.
Will LE disclose who shot whom?
I found out from the cleanupatf blog.
It is with great sadness that we pay tribute to a true hero and ATF Agent. Yesterday Special Agent Capano while off duty and out with his family, observed an armed robbery of a pharmacy occur. Special Agent Capano knew what to do and did what hundreds of ATF Agent across the country do everyday. He said “NOT ON MY WATCH”. Special Agent Capano confronted the armed perpetrator and was killed during the ensuing attempt to arrest the violator. We offer our shared sadness and condolences to the family, offer our prayers and gratitude for his heroic actions. By his actions, there is one less violent predator in this world who can no longer hurt anybody else. Our prayers are with Agent Capanos family, and hope they will find comfort in the fact that their father and husband is a true American hero. Semper Fidelis Special Agent John Capano
I believe the only person in uniform was the robber. :^)
Where did you see that? I saw:
It wasn't clear what happened next or who shot either man.
Not surprising. The cop will usually be coming late to the party and have to make an instant decision as to who's who. The armed civilian operating in self defense just needs to know that a guy pulling a weapon on him is probably not a god guy.
True, and I learned (by observation, fortunately) in the 70's to not do that.
Life ain't like the movies.
You need to read a little farther, this was excerpted, ya know.
Not really. Cops in mufti have long been told that they will probably not be recognized as an officer and stand a good chance of getting shot by uniformed officers.
I can only imagine what a cluster that Pharmacy was with four guys with guns, none of them in uniform, all yelling and pointing weapons.
Yeah, I hate it when my revolver goes full auto, too.
Nope, the operative factors are responsibility and consequences, that's why the stats don't change.
Well, let's see. We know that the NYPD officer shot his weapon. Was the thief's gun fired? If so, the thief's gun "went off". Was the retired officer's gun fired? If so, the retired officer's gun "went off". If neither was fired, it was the NYPD officer's gun.
Not really that complicated.
“The New York gun ban...”
What New York gun ban? Guns are banned in NY?
Prayers for his family.
LOL, thanks, I’ll see to it that this pic gets around!
That's true. The cop's highest priority is usually his own personal safety, which makes him more likely to blow away anybody with a weapon who's not in uniform.
I read the entire article before I replied, just to make sure I just read it again. Nowhere does it say that's what happened in this incident, it gives three examples but not this one.
Your clear implication was that one cop shot another and while that may be the case it is not stated in this article. Your agenda on the other hand is perfectly clear. thankfully J.R. and the mods only put up with this shit so much and then they start banning people.
Get a life that cop bashing is not part of and argue with yourself, no reply you make to me will be read.
I had a concern that it might be a little tasteless, then I had a conversation with my son, who has been shooting since he was 6 years old and is now a NM County Sheriff's Deputy.
I taught him and he does not even like to be around some of his co-workers on the range.
He said it is scary.
What are the odds that all three of them would show up at this one pharmacy? Neighborhood watch program just a little too effective, maybe?
I wonder what can be done to give these poor off-duty fellows a FOF capability. Maybe some kind of loud beeper signal that they could wear and deploy when in mufti.
The one item the story (fairly well done for a change) leaves out, perhaps because it has not yet been determined, is whose bullet killed Capano.
At this point in our history, the needless loss of one brave man is a national tragedy.
Both cops being treated for trauma I would almost bet it aint because they put the bad guy down.
Is that so? Not only can you not comprehend English, your mind reading is slipping as well.
I made it perfectly clear that the article addressed two subjects and it was clear that I commented on the second subject, as the facts of the first were still unknown.
My comment exactly as written:
"Two subject article."
"The second subject is the increase of LEOs shooting and killing their own in plainclothes."
The New York gun ban is creating trigger happy cops. They just shoot anyone with a gun not in uniform."
Your agenda on the other hand is perfectly clear.
And what might that be, clairvoyant one?
That cops can do no wrong? It's just a dead civilian?
thankfully J.R. and the mods only put up with this shit so much and then they start banning people.
Yeah, they do, hit the abuse button and bring it.
“What New York gun ban? Guns are banned in NY?”
You were right to be surprised. Guns are not banned in New York State.People who live in the many rural communities in the vast northern region of the state are gun owners from childhood. On Long Island, where this shooting occurred, and where I live, you have to have a permit to carry a handgun but not to own a rifle. In NYC, which is not Long Island,you are not allowed to carry a hand gun. People who do not live in this state often lump the whole place together with New York City which, of course, could not be further from the truth. Although, there are similarities in downstate communities, New York City and any upstate town are worlds apart.
I know, I’m an upstater myself. Also, Mrs. panax and I both have full CCW permits.
You are right about those that do not know the difference between NYC and the rest of the state. I have to admit that we thought the same thing over 20 years ago when we came through NY and decided to move here from the west coast.
The article does not make clear whether or not any of the three LEOs knew one another or arrived together. Absent that information, each may have thought the others were civilians until they identified themselves.
If, when and how that happened is not related. There isn't enough in the original article to support good theory.
If the ATF guy hadn’t died this would make for a great piece of comedy on SNL.
Statistically, this has gone on unchanged for way too long, and the stats are generated by the cops not the citizens.
SNL is notorious at mis applying facts and stats, I doubt they'd get it right.
Go to the actual story and read the last four paragraphs. The reporter recounts several instances where cops are shooting plain clothes cops.
When it gets to the point that you have 3 cops per criminal and none of the cops are wearing a cop uniform, I would say that we have way too many cops.
The USA has the highest amount of law enforcement officers in world. From what I have heard the skinhead/aryan nation idiots in the Idaho and Montana area have so many undercover government agents that have infiltrated them that the ratio is around two or three gubmint agents to one of them.
There is no indication that NY State, City, or County police personnel were involved in this incident. Any quotes stating so should cite the source.
Condolences to the family of the deceased agent.
Yeah like in Pink Cadillac with Clint Eastwood and Bernadette Peters who is funny as heck.
John Capano confronted the thief, who was carrying stolen cash and OxyContin, outside the pharmacy.
Meanwhile, someone ran for help to the deli next door, and an off-duty NYPD cop and retired Nassau County lieutenant jumped into the action.
John Capano was shot in the mayhem. The robber then pointed his gun at the cop and retired lieutenant, sources said, and was fatally shot by one of them.
So, it's clear as mud. However, it's also clear the cops who were in the deli had not seen the robber in the dug store.
I do not pretend to know anything more than what was written in the article, but I can tell you this:
Since all three LEOs were apparently off duty, I would venture that all three actually LIVED in the neighborhood.
I don’t know where you’re from, but I live on Long Island and can tell you that Seaford and MANY other neighborhoods (including my own) are both densely populated and home to very high numbers of policemen and their families. Chances are, all of them lived nearby and they were simply out shopping yesterday, possibly stocking up on necessities before the stores closed early for New Year’s.
PS: Once again, I do not know where these guys lived. Still, the above is my best guess.
Correction 1: The dead ATF guy was from Massapequa, the town next door to Seaford.
Correction 2: Only 2 officers were off duty. The other was retired.
They are also more likely to blow away people holding keys, cell phones, soda bottles and other non-weapon like objects. This is proved by numerous TRUE articles describing such events. Cops have the responsibility to make sure of their targets, and to make sure they are not killing some law abiding citizen they think is a bad guy.
This is as difficult as it gets.
Again, without complete information, Capano may have followed the robber out of the pharmacy, not expecting to find two plainclothes, off duty cops there that didn't know who he was.
The response changes at one fifth of a second intervals, and I can't imagine a worse situation for identification of who is who.
My point is that gun prohibition laws lure cops into an attitude that anyone not in uniform with a gun is a legitimate target.
Wouldn’t it be a fantastic coincidence if the ATF agent who was killed had any involvement in Fast and Furious? Nah, nobody would believe it.
The linked article illustrates why those who carry concealed must consider very carefully how to respond to an incident. If you don’t KNOW exactly who is armed and why then you will be taking a huge risk by drawing your gun.
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