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A laundry service for the homeless loses its home [nasty business?]
The Capital Times ^ | 1-1-12 | SHAWN DOHERTY

Posted on 01/01/2012 3:50:38 PM PST by SJackson

An unusual program to help homeless people do their wash is being booted from the Madison laundromat where it has been operating for the past six months.

Around 50 homeless people a month have been taking the bus to Laundry Land at 1131 N. Sherman Ave., where they get free detergent, coins for the machines and a temporary loan of clean clothes, since some people walk in with only the clothes on their backs, says Donna Asif, an advocate for the homeless.

She set up Project Bubbles to be a companion to a service providing showers for the homeless she established in the basement of the First United Methodist church downtown in 2007. Keeping clean is no little thing even for people who lack big things like food and shelter, she says. She has seen grown men bury their heads in their towels and cry after having their first shower in days and changing into a freshly laundered set of clothes.

Asif says she is "terribly disappointed" that management at Laundry Land is ending the program there Thursday, Dec. 29, but grateful they gave it a chance.

"They were resistant from the beginning, but willing to try," she says. "They were worried that people would just loiter, that other customers wouldn't be happy, that there would be drinking on the premises," she recalls of her initial conversations with laundromat managers.

None of those things happened, she says. But there were other behaviors some people found peculiar. One fellow, for example, spread all of his clean belongings out on a table into piles, folding and refolding them for a long time.

"His backpack was his closet," Asif says. She suspects he was enjoying the thrill of finally having his worldly possessions clean, organized and fragrant. But it made management uncomfortable.

Another time a homeless person suffering from incontinence put his soiled pants into the washer. Asif doesn't see how that is much different from parents who toss their toddlers' dirty clothes into the machines, but it was the final straw for management, she recalls.

Shortly before Christmas, she got a call from the owner. Thursday, Dec. 29 would be the last day the facility would accept the program's coupons.

A Laundry Land staffer reached on the phone said helping homeless customers ended up "taking too much time." This staffer would not give his name and talked only a few moments before hanging up.

"I'd love to do it but we can't anymore. It got to the point where helping them took away from our regular customers," he said.

It is one more loss, Asif says, in a year when "our homeless neighbors" have been shut out of former hang outs in the basement of the state Capitol and the downtown library (undergoing renovations).

The homeless get a bad rap for being unkempt, dirty and smelly. But it's usually not by choice.

"They want a hot shower and clean clothes just like you and me," she says. "They just don't have the access."

She knows homeless people who have washed their clothes in the lakes, in fountains, and in the sinks of city hall and the Capitol. Hot air grates make good dryers. "Some of that you can get ticketed for," she says.

She has found another place where people who are homeless can do their wash: Affiliated Laundries on East Johnson Street. It is within walking distance of downtown shelters.

But because the facility does not have in-house staff, Asif explains, volunteers are needed to hand out the clean clothes, the soap and coins, which means that hours for Project Bubbles will be limited for now to just Monday afternoons, noon to 4.

The only other place people who are homeless can go to do a free wash is the emergency shelter run by Porchlight at the downtown Grace Episcopal Church, where lines are long and the dryers don't work well, says Kelly, a 50-year-old former Marine and chef. He became homeless after being laid off from a job in Wausau, and is a regular user of the shower and laundry programs Asif runs.

"I'm keeping clean," he says. "You could never even tell I was homeless if you didn't see my bag."

He is alluding to the sleeping bag he carries with him, along with a backpack containing a few changes of clothes, a chess set, and a John Grisham novel -- another bag with his warm winter clothing was stolen last week, he says.

Nobody wants to look or smell like the stereotype of a homeless person, he says. "People think you're dirty, a drunk or a thief," he says. Or even worse, he says, invisible. "People don't look at you," he says. "They just walk right on past."

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Asif is looking for another facility willing to host the laundry program and volunteers interested in helping out with the shower or laundry program. If interested, contact her at 608-609-8522.


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Kudus to Laundry Land. A shame it didn't work, but for trying they don't deserve (from what I read) as resistant from the beginning and Donna Asif shouldn't be terribly disappointed

That said, I think cleaning up the homeless is a great idea. Donna need to get some kid at UW to set a website up for her, I looked, I'd have posted a link if I saw one. And if the homeless pose a problem at commercial laundromats, the solution may be charitable facilities, similar to shelters. Homeless don't get vouchers for The Four Seasons. Project Bubbles seems to be a good idea that needs to find it's place.

1 posted on 01/01/2012 3:50:46 PM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
It does seem like a good idea for a private charity initiative, but probably needs to be run by a hardcore that won't take any nonsense from the homeless.

/johnny

2 posted on 01/01/2012 3:57:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SJackson
Honestly, it needs to have a dedicated location, rather than occupying some private business. It seems impossible to me that there's not a church basement or unused rec room that can't be converted to a laundry for the homeless, where they can fold clothes to their heart's content, and have the opportunity to pick up donated clothing from the members of the church to wear (and perhaps keep) while doing their laundry.

There are so many places going out of business, getting the equipment shouldn't be all that difficult, and enough tradesmen in every congregation to handle the hookups. Even if it was new commercial equipment, that too shouldn't be all that hard to fundraise for. And especially include oversized machines for washing bedding and sleeping bags.

Add in some simple showers, and a civic minded faith group could provide the cleanliness that God desires.

3 posted on 01/01/2012 3:58:35 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: SJackson

>>Project Bubbles seems to be a good idea that needs to find it’s place.<<

I agree. It sounds like they might need the services of a hotel-type industrial strength and size washer and dryer facility. Even if it once a week I think it would make a big difference.

She should try something in that direction...(?)


4 posted on 01/01/2012 4:00:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: kingu
Amen. But it does need a strong hand in charge.

I've dealt with homeless, and while most are easy to get along with... there are some that are just crazy. Granny can't be expected to cope with the crazy ones.

/johnny

5 posted on 01/01/2012 4:03:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SJackson
Not surprised that this did not work out. I would not want to wash my clothes in the same machines as homeless people do, When ever we have clothes to discard I take them to Good Will. Things that are not good enough for resale are free for homeless people. To me that is a better option than providing a place for them to wash their clothes.
6 posted on 01/01/2012 4:03:28 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SJackson
That said, I think cleaning up the homeless is a great idea.

I truly don't understand. I see these people as freeloaders.....of course they want free laundry...and free food and free shelter. The oilfields in Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, the Dakotos, Montana....etc are BOOMING. Get a job washing dishes at the local hash slinger....

7 posted on 01/01/2012 4:09:39 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: kingu
Add in some simple showers,

I lived for a year and a half out in the wilderness without running water. I did have access to water, but there was no tap.

You can stay clean, and out there, who cares if you stand nekked on a pallet and pour water over your head... Except for me, when it dropped below 0F.

One of the best things that happened after I came back to civilization was that first hot shower....

You can't have any idea how good that is, until you do without for that long.

I still say a little prayer of thanks today when I slip into a hot bathtub.

/johnny

8 posted on 01/01/2012 4:10:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Ditter

The laundromat has a business to run. Being invaded by the homeless who have to change their clothes to wash their clothes and hanging around until they are done is not very conducive to running a business.


9 posted on 01/01/2012 4:13:36 PM PST by Venturer
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To: SJackson
Another time a homeless person suffering from incontinence put his soiled pants into the washer.

Would you want to use that washer afterwards?

10 posted on 01/01/2012 4:13:47 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: SJackson

Many of these homeless should not be on the street because they cannot take care of themselves. But they cannot be in an institution because, I suppose, that some republican president took away the funding.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 4:16:17 PM PST by HChampagne
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To: Venturer

Exactly, I would have been one of the paying customers who would have found another laundromat.


12 posted on 01/01/2012 4:19:06 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SJackson

It was becoming a nuisance to the normal laundromat clientele, and that couldn’t help the program. As a private charity venture this is something people of right mind and good will should cheer (no pun on the popular laundry detergent intended). Perhaps scheduling could get around some of the problem, bringing in the coupon clients during times when the laundromat would otherwise be almost idle.


13 posted on 01/01/2012 4:20:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Venturer

Sounds like there’s a need. I’ve been in this position before myself.

Would you hire someone who looked unclean without a spare set of clothes? I’ve been fortunate to keep a set that I never wear so that if I do need to do so, I can wear that and keep the stuff that I do wear, for most days.

Ask yourself this. If you’re going on about how they are lazy and without jobs, what’s one of the simple things that would help them walk in and actually land a job? This.


14 posted on 01/01/2012 4:21:35 PM PST by BenKenobi (You know, you really need to break free of that Catholic mindset.- metmom)
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To: humblegunner

I suppose after a good bleach cleaning. It was more a public appearance issue than a genuine sanitation issue. What do people normally put into washing machines — sparkling clean clothes?


15 posted on 01/01/2012 4:22:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ScreamingFist
I see these people as freeloaders.....of course they want free laundry...and free food and free shelter. The oilfields in Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, the Dakotos, Montana....etc are BOOMING. Get a job washing dishes at the local hash slinger....

If they had your skills, intellegence, and background, I would agree. Some of these folks don't have much of an IQ, or skills, or have something in their background that keeps them from getting employment.

When your wallet gets swiped, it costs money to get a new DL and SS card. And for want of a nail, the war can be lost.

I believe that Christian Charity should be based on helping those that NEED help.

If they are free-loaders, we should help them hit the road. If they need help, we should help them.

But it takes someone hardcore to dig through the BS and sort out the sponges from the truly needy.

/johnny

16 posted on 01/01/2012 4:23:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The Ice-Man.


17 posted on 01/01/2012 4:24:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: humblegunner
Would you want to use that washer afterwards?

No. Another reason to take it service out of the private sector and into the charitable sector, where, hopefully, these things can be dealt with without economic impact.

I suppose government could do it. Obama Laundromats, free for the 99% I can see it now.

Silliness aside, I do think this is a good idea if managed properly. This is why we need charitable organizations, not government.

18 posted on 01/01/2012 4:26:36 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What do people normally put into washing machines — sparkling clean clothes?

Mine almost always have skid marks somewhere in them.

Is why God invented bleach. ;)

Seriously, it is more appearance than sanitation. Over 160F, not many diseases can survive. Modern equipment and soaps break down any fecal matter and it goes away.

/johnny

19 posted on 01/01/2012 4:28:38 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What do people normally put into washing machines

Not poopy-pants for sure.

20 posted on 01/01/2012 4:29:08 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: HChampagne
Many of these homeless should not be on the street because they cannot take care of themselves. But they cannot be in an institution because, I suppose, that some republican president took away the funding.

Different issue, but you're correct. Actually I think they started stripping funding under Carter, not Reagan. I could be wrong, doesn't matter who, this is probably one area government should be increasing funding.

21 posted on 01/01/2012 4:29:59 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I lived for a year and a half out in the wilderness without running water"

You've sparked my interest... was it by choice? What led you to do that and why did you choose to give it up?
If I'm getting too personal, just ignore me... but I find this to be very interesting.
I know one fellow who is homeless (I think he still is, haven't seen him for a while). I know him from when he was a business owner. He actually chose to let everything go, got sick of it all and went packing on the streets. He was there for at least a couple of years, but I lost track of him some years ago.

Anyway... I was just curious. I donate quite a bit to the local Wheeler Mission and for some reason I've always had some sort of fascination and weird respect for the folks who live this way ... be it by choice or otherwise.

22 posted on 01/01/2012 4:31:37 PM PST by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: JRandomFreeper

And, some people who might have been productive have taken to sponging when they lost hope, and that situation need not be permanent. It used to be quite normal for churches, temples, etc. to take people like this under their wing. Now it’s like, “I gave in my taxes at the office” and that doesn’t work very well because the cost of government supervised aid is enormous in both money and loss of integrity.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 4:32:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SJackson
This is why we need charitable organizations, not government.

AMEN!

/johnny

24 posted on 01/01/2012 4:33:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: kingu

The article referred to a laundry program in the basement of a downtown Madison Episcopal church, but said the dryers don’t work well. Probably those dryers were regular home dryers donated to the church program, not commercial dryers that could take the volume the program would require.


25 posted on 01/01/2012 4:33:32 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: HChampagne
But they cannot be in an institution because...

...there are laws that prevent the indiscriminate institutionalizing of people. Most of the street people are substance abusers and you just can't throw them into mental institutions.

The others obviously have severe mental problems such as schizophrenia and quite likely have at one time been under the care of family members or mental healthcare councelors. But once they stop taking their meds, they're gone..........

26 posted on 01/01/2012 4:34:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Santa missed my house again....or maybe he's stuck in the chimney. I'll go look.......)
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To: ScreamingFist
I truly don't understand. I see these people as freeloaders.....of course they want free laundry...and free food and free shelter. The oilfields in Texas, Oklahoma, Colorado, the Dakotos, Montana....etc are BOOMING. Get a job washing dishes at the local hash slinger....

You're right, for some. Many, I don't know. Some are probably unemployable hash slinging or at Starbucks. For personal decisions, I can't say all, given the number of government programs available, I'll accept mostly. And if it's everyone, doesn't matter. We're discussing a charitable program (hope I'm not wrong on this), not a government program. IMO that's the best place for help to come from, so I wish the bubbles people success. And as to the beneficiaries not deserving, that's not a reflection on the charity.

As to the oilfield jobs, our government is doing everything it can to make sure they're not developed.

27 posted on 01/01/2012 4:38:03 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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To: humblegunner

Unless you got a baby in cloth diapers?

Maybe the undertaking needed better supervision. Such pathetic pieces of clothing should be hosed down in a laundry sink before going into a washer. Still there are going to be stains. That’s what washers are for.


28 posted on 01/01/2012 4:38:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SJackson

I agree. Getting some of the box stores to donate washers and dryers that could be set up in the basement of a church or homeless shelter would be a great solution. If the box stores can’t (or won’t) donate take up collections. Another solution would be asking people to donate their old machines when they get new ones. I have a friend who treats her washer/dryers like a car, she gets new ones every two years.


29 posted on 01/01/2012 4:38:06 PM PST by McGavin999 ("If you'll have my back when I go to Washington, I'll have yours" Rick Perry 2012)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I believe that Christian Charity should be based on helping those that NEED help.

You....are a good person. Old FRiend, I'm not as charitable as you....I work too many hours I guess. So, I'll tell you and all on this thread a well kept secret, by 2017, America will be the largest EXPORTER of oil and natural gas in the world..... I have no tolerence for non-working people, and I am tired of going home and seeing some asshat with a "feed me" sign in a county with 2% un-employment.

30 posted on 01/01/2012 4:38:29 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: SJackson; All

“Would you want to use that washer afterwards? “

The article asked how is this any different than a parent putting a toddler’s soiled pants in? So I ask you how is it any different? A toddler can soil his/her pants just as bad as an adult.

I have one better you never thought of.

Cloth diapers are making a comeback with the economy and the high price of disposable diapers. How you feel about using a machine that had just washed a load of cloth baby diapers?


31 posted on 01/01/2012 4:41:54 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Unless you got a baby in cloth diapers?

Both of 'em did, back in the day. Diaper service.

Picked up once a week, but think.. we had to have dirty diapers around for a week.

Damn straight I hosed them things out and they would never get in the wash with regular clothes.

Can you say Biohazard? I knew you could.

32 posted on 01/01/2012 4:43:59 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: SJackson

The new oil field booms seem to have a large critical mass behind them, and OPEC thus far isn’t moving to undercut them, something which killed past U.S. oil booms. It remains to be seen if OPEC would keep that same attitude if instead of Obama, a Republican — even Mitt — became president. But also, since these new booms pretty much depend on fracking, they are politically vulnerable. One fracking site, out of thousands, was suspected of getting oil into shallow aquifers. And the greenies are going ape crap over it, when such a low incidence problem if it’s even real (and not a coincidence of a local toxic materials spill) would probably be best addressed by piping in fresh water subsidized by the fracking companies.


33 posted on 01/01/2012 4:45:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ScreamingFist

If the US has such a sunny (hopefully not Sunni) future, the problem will largely reverse itself. Nobody will have to put cattle prods to street people. Streets suck compared to private living.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 4:46:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: SJackson

Yes it was a kind and decent thing to do. God bless her. Praying another way to make it work will manifest by His hand.


35 posted on 01/01/2012 4:47:59 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: ScreamingFist
I have no tolerance either for someone that can work and just won't.

And they won't be an object of my charity.

But those that can't... I'd rather help in the private sector, where decisions can be made, than start a government program that the deadbeats will take over.

You would make a great candidate for a board-of-directors for a charity. The truly needy would get help, and deadbeats could hit the bricks.

/johnny

36 posted on 01/01/2012 4:47:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Morgana
How you feel about using a machine that had just washed a load of cloth baby diapers?

Back in the day, we used cloth diapers. We flushed them out, or hosed them down, and then washed them.

And then I did my ex-wife's laundry before mine. Ladies first, and all that. ;)

/johnny

37 posted on 01/01/2012 4:50:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: humblegunner

The secret to sanitation is normal clothes dryers. Get to 160F or more and virtually all pathogens are dead, Jim.

I’m surprised anyone even noticed the poopy pants incident there unless they were so poopy that poop was left after the cycle, or smeared over the top of a top loading washer. And a little Pine Sol or bleach on a rag would solve the residue problem.


38 posted on 01/01/2012 4:51:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: McGavin999

After Katrina, someone brought in a huge decked-out trailer with washers and dryers on it. I believe it may have been connected to Tide detergent’s advertising. The victims of Katrina, many who lost their homes, were grateful.


39 posted on 01/01/2012 4:52:17 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: BenKenobi

I have no doubt of the need.

I concede that.

But I know a business cannot survive with these people invading it every few days.

Many people are frightened of the homeless.Sometimes they should be.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 4:52:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Off the thread topic, but at best it's a boomlet, not a boom. The government, ours, doesn't want a boom or domestic energy. But that will change in time, we do have the reserves. It would be nice it they were used while I'm alive, but if it's the grandkids, or great grandkids, maybe they'll think of me when they tell the Arabs to Foff.

Another President, the solution to unemployment is in the mirror. Energy, domestic, coal, gas, oil. Dare I mention the financial sector or healthcare. All these evil people, and they're the employers. Go figure Mr. President.

41 posted on 01/01/2012 4:58:02 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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To: SJackson

Yes it was a kind and decent thing to do. God bless her. Praying another way to make it work will manifest by His hand.


42 posted on 01/01/2012 4:58:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Notice you said “back in the day” too!

Now you have to wonder if this younger generation knows to do that? Think about it. Cloth diapers were used generation to generation so mother taught daughter and there was a few grannys helping out too. I’d say by the middle 1970’s cloth diapers fell out of favor due to the ease of pampers. So many women only know the convenience of disposable. Do you see the picture I am trying to paint here? Add that with the public school’s idea of education and I am not at all surprised at anything that could happen at a laundry mat.


43 posted on 01/01/2012 5:00:15 PM PST by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

OK.

You go wash your clothes in a machine that has recently had feces-smeared garments in it.

Don’t expect a hug from me afterward.


44 posted on 01/01/2012 5:01:57 PM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If the US has such a sunny (hopefully not Sunni) future

Buddy. I'm currently driving a concrete mixer.....We're pouring 12-15 hours a day....not just oilfield but new hotels, stores, homes......oilfield is all.....pipeline and new wells......trust me......this is huge. And this is just western Oklahoma.......Add Texas, Colorada, Dakotas...etc.....

45 posted on 01/01/2012 5:02:26 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: SJackson

Maybe some compassionate conservatives can pony up for nonprofit laundry.


46 posted on 01/01/2012 5:02:26 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (Ignorance is no excuse.)
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To: Morgana
Cloth diapers were used generation to generation so mother taught daughter and there was a few grannys helping out too.

LOL! I got cold busted on that a couple of months ago when I took a safety pin and ran it through my hair before putting through the cloth that had to be held together on my great-nephew's vest. My neice looked at me funny and asked why I did that.

Yes, there are skill sets there, as well as anything else.

/johnny

47 posted on 01/01/2012 5:05:51 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SJackson

The biggest problem was trying to keep the homeless from sleeping in the dry, warm clothes dryers...


48 posted on 01/01/2012 5:06:13 PM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: SJackson
Off the thread topic, but at best it's a boomlet, not a boom.

Old Friend, you have you see it to believe it. The pipelines and compressors are going into the groud as I type. Do a search of rig counts.....you'll be giggling all night...take care.

49 posted on 01/01/2012 5:19:51 PM PST by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: SJackson; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; ...

Wisconsin Wash Day Ping

Please, anyone who would like to be on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list just FReep Mail me, and I shall add your name.


50 posted on 01/01/2012 5:23:22 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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