Posted on 01/01/2012 4:27:36 PM PST by SeekAndFind
The reason I think Romney guarantees re-0bama is several-fold, but primarily demographic. It largely hinges on the state of the economy. I think we’ll be in significantly worse shape then than now. And so, the electorate will seek a savior.
The savior will either be “Dad” (Romney) or “change” (0bama)
Yes, it is a stupid, simplistic theory, but I don’t get paid for overthinking it or anything else out of my control. We have stupid, simplistic voters. If it doesn’t fit on a bumper-sticker, it exceeds the average attention span.
The role of “Dad” eg; the family, has been denigrated for many years now, and I need not go into it. The nation is at that tipping point where, out of a condition of severe economic distress, “it” (meaning the majority of its voters including synthetic voters) will want to be taken care of. You and I can banter back and forth over conservative principles, but I expect things to get worse and for the people to want salvation.
That they see it that way now and will see it that way then in 0bama is the most delusional, pitiful, reprehensible, brain-addled piece of unappreciative brat behavior ever recorded. But IMO, see it that way they will. In short, people will vote their stomachs and their survivals, not their principles.
I do not rule a Romney victory out entirely. But in order for that to happen, I believe the economy will have to pick up and to somehow have Romney’s philosophy associated with said pickup. Again, that is the kind of long shot I’m not optimistic about, because 0bama will naturally claim credit should it occur. Romney will never, ever generate the kind of frenzy that 0bama did and may yet again. So I think Mitt loses that one too.
I don’t mean to be pessimistic and I don’t wish to infect anyone with my myopia over the issue, but that’s how I see it.
Silly. As much as he's virtually nobody's favorite around here, he may very well crush Obama if nominated. Really, the only thing that could get in his way is a massive lack of enthusiasm on the right. Given the disgrace now sitting in the White House on the beach, there isn't much chance of that. The few evangelicals that will never vote for a Mormon and the Jim Robinsons of the world, will be dwarfed by the number of independents that never would have voted for Newt, Paul, Bachmann, Perry..., but will vote for Romney.
It also wouldn't be surprising if Romney tacks right and starts talking more like Newt if he is the nominee. After shying away from red meat rhetoric in the primaries, he may be liberated to play to the base in the general, without turning off anybody in the middle. No way Obama survives hard hitting campaign from a candidate the institutional left can't destroy with scandal.
George is just doing his duty as a journalist getting out the White House line.
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Jim, I saw you were mentioned but not pinged.
What would George Will know about conservatives? He hasn’t been one in a couple of decades.
Just who are those independents who wouldn't vote for Newt, Bachmann, Perry (forget Paul) who would be moved to vote for Romney? Are these the fabled "moderates" who never vote for a Republican...but would somehow vote for Romney?
After shying away from red meat rhetoric in the primaries, he may be liberated to play to the base in the general, without turning off anybody in the middle.
Why would Romney have to be "liberated" to play to the base? Why does he have to wait until the general election? Why can't he do it during the primaries?
No way Obama survives hard hitting campaign from a candidate the institutional left can't destroy with scandal.
How can Romney mount a "hard-hitting campaign" if he can't attack Obama on Obamacare?
You may well be right, Minn, that Romney can overcome all his negatives and still beat Obama. But he's far from a strong candidate. We're talking about a guy who couldn't even beat McCain in 2008, fer cryin' out loud.
You’re saying that 0bama is a failure and with that I have zero argument. I’m saying that half the people in the country see themselves as failures and thus they identify with failure and the government’s perceived ability to correct that failure. The proof is the life 0bama gets to lead on the back of government despite his many failures. Moreover, they resent the financial and in general moral success of Romney. For people to switch from an 0bama vote to a presumptive-nominee Romney vote, they are going to have to choose non-failure. I don’t see it happening. I genuinely hope I am wrong.
Will’s assessment of the situation is bizarre. We have NOTHING to be happy about if Obama wins a second term.
George Will is the epitome of the RINO establishment. Enough said.
That means the f’n, treasonous GOP needs to understand that RINOs are unacceptable.
There are many million of them, mostly women, almost exclusively apolitical marginal voters. Not moderate, just too detached to vote ideology.
Here's what Newt has for them: He's a pudgy, pugnacious, full of himself blowhard, and somebody somewhere said something about him and deathbed divorce papers or something. Do I really want to look at that mug for 4 years? He's really hard to like personally for people on his own team. He isn't going to appeal to many that aren't already predisposed to dislike his opponent. Then there's the fact that Newt,s flirtation with trendy lefty thoughts doesn't make him acceptable to some on the right. The sit down with Nancy will not be forgotten.
I'm sure you have noticed, looks and personae are probably the two biggest factors in determine presidential electability. The most likable candidate usually wins.
Bachmann: Gotta love the woman. But, like Newt, she has said a few things that make easy to characterture. The vaccine thing was suicidal. And it's not political moderates that would refuse to support Michelle Bachmann, it's everybody that refused to support Palin because Tina Fey told them not to. I would love to see the result of a Bachmann Obama race, because I don't think it's impossible for her to beat him, but she's have to have something really big go her way to overcome the cultural hysteria that her nomination would surely set off. There could maybe be some incredible backlash and cultural awakening about how routinely the left demonizes normalcy, combined with some huge event, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Rick Perry: Seriously? He has run a historically awful campaign. If it was really his intention to convince people not previously familiar with him that he is a thoroughly incompetent, bumbling, hayseed, he has succeeded wildly. I would, of course, vote for him over Obama enthusiastically. But I don't remember the last time I was so unimpressed with somebody I really tried to like. He just doesn't play well on a national stage.
Romney has that vanilla, phony baloney, plastic banana, used car salesman sort of look and demeanor that apolitical people will find much easier to vote and root for compared to the candidates we all prefer. Most FR readers think about more than looks, charm (blandness, some would say), and vulnerability to smears. But many voters don't Unlike some, I don't believe Romney's wealth will be a big factor. The idiot "99%" aren't going to vote Republican anyway.
It's hard to find anybody excited about a Romney nomination, me included. But the assessment that he is toast, compared to any other surviving Republican candidate seems a stretch.
Are these the fabled "moderates" who never vote for a Republican...but would somehow vote for Romney?
No. As discussed, they are apolitical personality voters. The broke decisively for Obama in 08, and for Bush in 04 because Kerry is such a twit. I'm sure you know a few. It's 50/50 on whether they could name the two senators from their state. But they vote in presidential Elections. They vote Republican as often as not.
Obama abysmal failure as a president is going to make it much more difficult for him to capture the cultural momentum this time. It isn't just conservatives that are sick of him.
A Republican opponent that is difficult to demonize and mock effectively will make it hard for Obama to change the subject from his inadequacies. People guided by the current pop culture mood, rather than policy or ideological preferences, decide presidential elections. I think it's hard to argue that any of Romney's opponents are better equipped to appeal to the shallow, which I think your assessment ignores.
God, I can't believe how long I rambled on.
So, that is how elections are won, huh? By appealing to the shallow?
We should choose our candidate based on how the shallow respond to him/her.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm not so sure I buy that...
we could also be a net exporter of crude if we would be allowed to drill.
.......We might be able to eliminate our African and Middle East imports but not Canada and Mexico.
"Hope", "Change","Yes We Can", "I'm not going to have to worry about putting gas in my car. I'm not going to have to worry about my mortgage."
You're joking, right? If you don't appeal to the shallow, you have zero chance. It's a cruel but undeniable fact of political life. What would motivate you to deny something so obvious?
This conclusion gives me no satisfaction. I would much prefer that conservatives would do a better job of selling conservative ideas and principles such as individual liberty, self reliance, family and small government.
Why do we have to take a back seat to liberal notions like fairness, diversity, government intervention and class warfare.
Why do we not have the ability to sell our positive, hopeful and liberating ideas and visions of America?
If what Will is saying is that America will not be totally destroyed by another Obama term, I agree. But I don’t think we want to get that close to the edge. Obama has two wheels on the edge of the cliff, and after another term , he’d have three and one half. That’s playing it too close.
Presumably that, as a conservative, I have more faith in the intellect of the American electorate than you.
Obama's win was predicated on a shallow premise, I'd agree.
But it was better than what the opposing candidate was offering. He was not only a "moderate", he was a timid pile of crap. McCain offered nothing -- to nobody.
Any conservative who is willing to actually BE a conservative will defeat Obama in 2012.
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