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For Gingrich, keeping it positive isnít working in Iowa
-Pravda Chicago Sun Times Division ^ | 1-1-12 | L. Sweet

Posted on 01/01/2012 8:40:11 PM PST by VinL

[edit}.... The Gingrich team on Sunday started to hit Romney for voting for Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic presidential primary when the former U.S. Senator for Massachusetts was in a primary with Bill Clinton and Jerry Brown.

That plays into the most central rap against Romney — that he is not a real conservative, that he converted for the campaign and in essence he is a “Massachusetts moderate.” In the context of the race for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, that is not a compliment.

The Tsongas vote has been raised before — when Romney ran the first time for president in the 2008 GOP primary.

In 2007, Romney explained his Tsongas support in an ABC News interview, noting that President George H.W. Bush faced no real opposition for re-nomination.

“In Massachusetts, if you register as an independent, you can vote in either the Republican or Democratic primary. …When there was no real contest in the Republican primary, I’d vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for the Republican,” Romney said.

I take it that the Gingrich team will use New Hampshire as an “experiment” to see if they can drive down Romney’s numbers. What the Gingrich forces don’t have are “SuperPacs” poised to help him right away in New Hampshire.

Said Gingrich in Ames, “a narrow win for him (in New Hampshire) will be the equivalent of a defeat.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cheater; crybaby; freddiemac; gingrichromney; unstable
I posted this because of the "Romney supported Tsongas" factoid. Many may have been award of this fact- I wasn't.

Romney said- "I’d vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for the Republican."

That's a pretty lame excuse, even for a politician- even for Romney!

How in good faith can "conservative" media try to paint this guy as conservative? Ms. Coulter?

1 posted on 01/01/2012 8:40:15 PM PST by VinL
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To: VinL

The real conservatives need to reach down deep, and pull for all their worth to make their cases. The sands are running out.


2 posted on 01/01/2012 8:42:01 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: VinL

Considering Tsongas was almost dead by then, that’s not a bad excuse.


3 posted on 01/01/2012 8:49:56 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: VinL
That's a pretty lame excuse, even for a politician- even for Romney!

Nothing "lame" about it. The Democrats do it all the time to screw up the Republicasn primaries, and will do it again this year. Rush promotes this also.

4 posted on 01/01/2012 8:51:17 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: palmer

That revelation may play among a few of the oldsters, but
‘92 was a ways back to create much of a pants on fire turning point in time for Iowa.

What is eerie to me is that Romney is spending money on negative ads and opposition research and mean connections against all threats, but is basically saying nothing, offering nothing, doing nothing, IS nothing, and on top of that he is a bore! How do you get in the lead and be the guy to beat like that, by just showing up with your hair on?


5 posted on 01/01/2012 8:57:50 PM PST by RitaOK (The higher you poll in Iowa, the more embarrassing it is for that candidate.)
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To: RitaOK

Some local conservative friends think highly of Romney. The problem is they are looking through the media, they are not on the internet and what the media shows is all highly favorable speech snippets (while playing gaffs by other candidates over and over).


6 posted on 01/01/2012 9:04:57 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

Happy New Year, Palmer. Then, why bother to vote for him?


7 posted on 01/01/2012 9:13:35 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: palmer

I have stuck entirely to FR and a few other sites but dumped TV entirely for the past three weeks, until five minutes ago following the Dallas game. Decided to watch Chris Wallace. Caught the tail end of Brett Baier’s program where the panel is stupidly giving it to Romney with just a win in Iowa! LOL!

South Carolina will eat his lunch, and if we fight mortal combat for Newt, we may take Florida. Romney Who, if that happens.


8 posted on 01/01/2012 9:14:35 PM PST by RitaOK (The higher you poll in Iowa, the more embarrassing it is for that candidate.)
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To: VinL

Make no mistake about it: Romney is evil.

His goal in life is POTUS.

He must be stopped from buying the nomination.

GO NEWT!


9 posted on 01/01/2012 9:16:16 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: VinL

Happy New Year to you! The theory is that a weak candidate is beatable. I think some Dems crossed to vote for McLame in the 2008 primaries for that reason.


10 posted on 01/01/2012 9:18:54 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: VinL

This time around, the players will have to play all four quarters of the “political” football game...and it will mostly like will come down to the final two minutes of the political “football” game.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 9:19:36 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: VinL

Those two NH debates next week are going to be must see TV.

They should hold them in an octagon. Newt is taking off the gloves!


12 posted on 01/01/2012 9:20:00 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: RitaOK

The spin I heard (on WTOP news radio in DC) is that Romney didn’t really campaign in Iowa (”only recently” blah blah blah) so his win there will be an upset.


13 posted on 01/01/2012 9:21:11 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Psalm 144

Santorum is going to demolish Willard......in Iowa:

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
Tea Party voters: Santorum 23, Gingrich 18, Paul 16, Bachmann 15, Romney 12. If Mitt doesn’t win that’s why
27 seconds ago »

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
Only 3 candidates moved more than a point in the last week- Santorum up, Paul and Bachmann down
7 minutes ago »

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
Paul, Romney, Santorum all within 2 points of each other
15 minutes ago


14 posted on 01/01/2012 9:22:01 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Prokopton

Happy new year, Prok. And that’s a qualification for President?— Integrity? I switched parties temporarily to sabotage the other guy’s election.

I think he probably favored Tsongas- but that’s just a guess.


15 posted on 01/01/2012 9:22:21 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
I still can't figure out why we give a crap about Iowa?
4% of the people are counted. Hayseeds.
Idiots. Always bragging how they are the core of the USA. Idiots have only nominated 50% of those to get elected.

The only thing that happens here is someone quits.

16 posted on 01/01/2012 9:25:54 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: CainConservative

I am appalled that 12% of Tea Party people would support Romney. I just don’t get it.


17 posted on 01/01/2012 9:26:22 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: VinL

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
We’re going to launch weekly South Carolina tracking starting Wednesday night and will do one last NH poll next weekend
5 minutes ago »

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
IOWA: Santorum is 2nd choice of Bachmann, Newt, and Perry’s voters. Interesting to see how much ship jumping there is in last 2 days
24 minutes ago »

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
IOWA: Santorum’s up 8 points in the last 5 days. Most popular candidate with 60/30 favorability:
27 minutes ago »

ppppolls PublicPolicyPolling
IOWA: Paul 20, Romney 19, Santorum 18, Gingrich 14, Perry 10, Bachmann 8, Huntsman 4, Roemer 2:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/01/headed-for-a-photo-finish-in-iowa.html


18 posted on 01/01/2012 9:29:06 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Prokopton
"Nothing "lame" about it. The Democrats do it all the time to screw up the Republicasn primaries, and will do it again this year. Rush promotes this also. "

I've done it, in TX primaries. When GWB was the obvious far and away winner, I would go over to the Dim Primary to screw their side up.

19 posted on 01/01/2012 9:32:14 PM PST by matthew fuller ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: palmer

I’m sure you’re right, my friend. And I’m not trying to belabor the point. But, if Rush sends out “operation chaos” or the union bosses send out the goons- that I understand.

But, a man who would be President? A statesman- admitting that he engaged in ambuscade?

Strikes me odd- and very telling of the type of person he is by the nature of his act or his rationalization of the act.


20 posted on 01/01/2012 9:32:22 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: VinL

I thought in the very recent past Gingrich’s team finally did get a big bucks team behind him? He REALLY needs $$$$$. And he’s smart enough to figure out how to go after Romney without being ‘negative.’ I don’t quite understand how people switch votes based on paid negative advertising.


21 posted on 01/01/2012 9:36:49 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: CainConservative

Thanks for the poll, CC- and Happy New Year—

I hear our former favorite, Mr. Cain, is going to be on CNN wt Newt tomrrow night (Piers guy)— don’t know what that’s about. -:)


22 posted on 01/01/2012 9:38:26 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: RitaOK

Obama did the same thing. Romney is running the same “empty suit” campaign that Obama did. Problem is the media let Obama get away with it but once the GE starts, they won’t let Romney get away with it. He’s even more at risk because he is such a bland character. The media has all the room in the world to fill up his empty suit with any narrative they want, most likely the heartless Wall Street capitalist angle with some of the flip-flopping chameleon angle thrown in. How is Romney going to claim he’s anything else? He has no compelling life story and no record of achievements to define him as anything. “Good family man” sure as hell won’t cut it.

Part of the problem is people who think they’re armchair political consultants, thinking they can’t nominate a candidate who they think has “baggage.” Just think about the illogical logic behind that. People like a candidate, but instead they vote for a candidate that is boring and doesn’t excite them, because they think the candidate they like has “baggage.” Then who they nominate is a boring candidate that doesn’t excite anybody else either and loses the election. An exciting candidate with “baggage” is more electable than a boring candidate who won’t inspire anybody to vote for him.

What people don’t seem to get is that a boring candidate like Romney could only win if Obama is incredibly weak and doesn’t excite his base. But he absolutely will. He is a real leftist and both the left-wing and the right-wing know it, although the independents are clueless. They will rally to one of their own. If we don’t have someone who can make a compelling and inspiring case for conservatism, then we will lose the election due to low turnout from our side.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 9:42:47 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: EDINVA

Happy New Year, EdinVa- I don’t either. Don’t understand how people can change their minds in these polls, period.

Newt is going to hit him body shots in NH- Tables are turned- no expectations for Newt, big expectations for Mittie. It’s free whacks for Newt.


24 posted on 01/01/2012 9:43:24 PM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: palmer

The only people I’ve known who like Romney are Obama supporters who would never actually vote for him over Obama.


25 posted on 01/01/2012 10:03:07 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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To: VinL

And a happy New Year to you, too, VinL. Can’t believe it’s FINALLY election year!

I have to wonder if the Newsmax/Michael Reagan presentation that was to flood the IA airwaves over this weekend will help Newt come Tuesday. Do people have a half hour to watch? Or really any interst left? Time will tell.

The way the IA Caucuses go, IIRC, is they are VERY local, and a local supporter of each candidate speaks directly to his/her neighbors in a small setting, persuading them to vote for XYZ. So, if the undecided vote is as large as it seems, it’s really all up for grabs still. Tho I do sense the “Christian Right,” probably the largest single bloc of voters in IA GOP politics, is trending toward Santorum and he will pick up votes from Bachmann and Perry.

At this point, Newt should IMO spend more time in SC than NH. And play the Romney game .. let others do his attacking for him! (that nauseates me, that someone running for POTUS will hid behind others but that’s the game they’re in)


26 posted on 01/01/2012 10:31:30 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: VinL

Cain endorsing Newt. GREAT!


27 posted on 01/01/2012 11:06:29 PM PST by CainConservative ( Newt/Rubio 2012 with Cain, Bolton, Santorum, Perry, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: Prokopton

They’re doing it with Romney in my opinion.


28 posted on 01/02/2012 3:18:14 AM PST by RC one (I will not vote for the gun grabbing, draft dodging, pro-choice, so called Republican Mitt Romney.)
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To: CainConservative

Cain will be Newts VP


29 posted on 01/02/2012 4:19:27 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: AGreatPer
Always bragging how they are the core of the USA.

Core my baloney! Iowa=Home to Senator Tom Harkin. 'Nough said.

30 posted on 01/02/2012 4:34:53 AM PST by nfldgirl
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To: VinL

Is that Monday night or Tuesday night, because come Tuesday night, seems a bit late, don’t you think for any “endorsement.” Besides, what a total disappointment Cain turned out to be. Like, endorsing Newt at this point, with all the stuff that came out about Cain (especially the last woman who claimed a long-time affair that resulted in his campaign suspension)...just doesn’t add up to much of a positive for Newt, IMHO.


31 posted on 01/02/2012 4:41:33 AM PST by nfldgirl
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To: Mean Maryjean; JediJones; palmer

” Besides, what a total disappointment Cain turned out to be.” <<<

Republicans have had now a couple of players, running amok ammong us as faux candidates, Palin and Cain. The profits flowed with the exposure, so, for Palin by way of the McCain campaign, and by keeping us dangling, and Cain as an actual candidate in the primary, both are pretty much financially fixed for life, because they were willing to milk exposure for all it was worth.

Most conservatives resent being used for a cash cow by these players, but others even today would still turn their inheritence over to either one of them.

And you know what, I think Palin and Cain would take it. (For the “cause”, don’t you know.)

Newt at least has had an epiphany in his personal life but remains HELL on wheels in his political life. Can you imagine the utter dread by the Democrat Party of NEWT, given he rolled them once, stepped over their bodies and handed everyone of us a Republican Congress after 40 years in the desert? Don’t kid yourself, actual “doers” strike fear among the Marxists far more than the bloviaters do.

Wish such a thing mattered more to conservatives.


32 posted on 01/02/2012 9:31:48 AM PST by RitaOK (The higher you poll in Iowa, the more embarrassing it is for that candidate.)
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To: Mean Maryjean
what a total disappointment Cain turned out to be

Not as disappointing as people who lap up MSM attack propaganda. Cain turned out to be too much of a threat, so they neutralized him.

33 posted on 01/02/2012 5:22:47 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: RitaOK
both are pretty much financially fixed for life, because they were willing to milk exposure for all it was worth.

BS, campaign money cannot be turned into fixed for life money.

34 posted on 01/02/2012 5:26:12 PM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer

Come on, in the case of Sarah, give a value on the AZ home and the home-away-from-home bus, funded by her cash for crap campaign, liquidate that and throw in a couple of books and what does it take for you to call “set” for life (retirement)? To boot, there’s another million from FOX for yakking through the election. Please, huh?


35 posted on 01/02/2012 6:47:21 PM PST by RitaOK (The higher you poll in Iowa, the more embarrassing it is for you.)
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