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Ron Paulís Soros Defense Plan
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Posted on 01/02/2012 8:38:41 AM PST by mnehring

It was recently observed that Ron Paul was to the left of Obama on national security and the best evidence for that statement can be found when one year ago Ron Paul joined forces with Barney Frank​ on a proposal to gut national defense via a panel of experts, quite a few of whom were tied to George Soros​.

In July 2010, Barney Frank and Ron Paul co-authored a Huffington Post article rolling out their Sustainable Defense Task Force. The Task Force “consisting of experts on military expenditures that span the ideological spectrum” would recommend a trillion dollars in defense cuts. The experts, however, didn’t quite “span the ideological spectrum” — more like float under it.

The panel of experts who would decide how to best gut national defense featured such independent thinkers as William D. Hartung of the New America Foundation. Hartung’s main expertise was appearing in “Hijacking Catastrophe: 9/11, Fear & the Selling of American Empire.”

Then there was Lawrence J. Kolb of the Center for American Progress and Miriam Pemberton of the Institute for Policy Studies. If you want to know what the Center, the Foundation and the Institute all have in common, it’s Hungarian and smells like stale cabbage and the death of nations.

The rather creepy Institute for Policy Studies issued a paper proposing that Obama act as king and rule through executive orders. The New American Foundation is not only backed by Soros but has his son on its leadership council. The Center for American Progress is run by the co-chair of Obama’s transition team and is, for all intents and purposes, the think tank of the White House. All three are Soros funded.

But it doesn’t end there. Also on the panel was Christopher Hellman of the National Priorities Project (NPP). If you are wondering what the NPP is, it’s a think tank whose objective is to “influence national spending priorities.” And if you’re in the mood for a double, Miriam Pemberton is also on the board of the NPP. The man behind the curtain at NPP? None other than our favorite Hungarian James Bond villain.

Going further down the list there’s Winslow Wheeler of the Center for Defense Information (CDI). The CDI’s goal is to strengthen “national and international security through international cooperation [and] reduced reliance on unilateral military power to resolve conflict.” CDI operates under the aegis of the World Security Institute, which is apparently the least creepy name they could think of. Wheeler is a Counterpunch contributor, a site which even Stalinists think goes a bit too far. CDI gets money from the Open Society Institute (OSI) where the stench of death and stale cabbage never goes away.

Then there’s Charles Knight and Carl Conetta of the Project for Defense Alternatives, which appears to be a subset of the Commonwealth Institute. Of its board of directors, S.M. Miller is also the founder of United for a Fair Economy which enjoys generous support from a certain philanthropic chap who occasionally destroys economies for sport. Another member, Guy Molyneux, has also worked with OSI. A third board member, Richard Healey, was formerly director of the Institute for Policy Studies and is on the advisory board of the Center for Social Inclusion, founded by two OSI veterans.

If you think this can’t get any worse, meet Paul Kawika Martin of Peace Action (PA). You might know PA better by its old name, the “Committee for a SANE Nuclear Policy” or just “SANE,” a Communist front group investigated by none other than Senator Thomas Dodd. PA has the same attitude toward American defense that burglars have toward alarm systems in other people’s homes. They don’t like them very much. And they have a “five year strategic plan” for the job.

Paul Kawika Martin travels around fighting progress on board The Rainbow Warrior and is also involved with Physicians for Social Responsibility. Martin has also collaborated with the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), a front for the Iranian regime. I think you can guess by now who funds Physicians for Social Responsibility.

Also on the task force is Laicie Olson of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. The Center is actually a subset of the Council for a Livable World. Olson originally worked for Physicians for Social Responsibility. Another task force member was Heather Hurlburt of the National Security Network (NSN). The NSN’s goals are to “build a strong progressive national security and counter conservative spin.” Its founder was part of Obama’s transition team and resigned to work for Janet Napolitano. Soros’s OSI helped fund NSN, and its Special Counsel was on the NSN Policy Committee. If you’re tired of reading through all this, then here’s the summary. Of the Paul-Frank Task Force, 9 out of 14 members were linked to Soros’s organs. Two were affiliated with the Cato Institute. One is indeterminate. Ron Paul proposed to put a bunch of Soros-funded think tank experts in charge of dismantling the US military. Think about that for a moment. Ron Paul supporters can see conspiracies in a glass of water; can they see anything wrong with this picture? Can they see anything wrong with having a man from a group that was investigated for its Communist ties in the driver’s seat on national defense? The task force’s proposals included cutting nuclear deterrence; reducing the fleet by 57 ships, including two carriers; canceling the Joint Strike Fighter; “severely curtail missile defense” — and that is a direct quote from the report — retiring four Marine battalions; reducing the military by 200,000 personnel; cutting defense research spending by 50 billion over ten years; and increasing health care fees for members of the military. Not only did Paul join forces with Barney Frank to slash military preparedness, but he ended up putting the experts of a foreign billionaire with global ambitions in charge of the project. And that was what he did as a congressman. Can anyone imagine what he would do as president?

But why would Ron Paul allow George Soros that much power and influence over America’s defense policy? There are a number of possibilities. There is the possibility that Ron Paul just didn’t know and didn’t bother to do his research. Which is not much of a recommendation for the job he’s running for. There’s another possibility that Ron Paul knew and didn’t care, that he had no objection to being part of a left-right alliance against the “American Empire” with Soros. But there’s also a third possibility. During the previous election, Americans Against Escalation in Iraq (AAEI) ran an ad praising Ron Paul for his position against the war. AAEI was an umbrella group for MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress, SEIU, Americans United For Change, the National Security Network and others in the progressive bestiary. A number of those beasties were Soros groups. I’m not one to dabble in conspiracy theories, but when Soros pays for an ad praising you during the Republican primaries and then you put his experts in charge of America’s defense policy, then maybe some questions should be asked.


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1 posted on 01/02/2012 8:38:48 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

On principle Paul is in line with the founding fathers and the original of the Constitution. The US today has an offensive military force and employs it around the world at the whim of the president. The founders envisioned defensive forces, stationed inside the boundaries of the country supplemented by local militias. The founders did not envision the US becoming involved in what they considered to be “foreign entanglements” across the globe. Paul claims he would scale the armed forces down to a defensive posture. My comments here are not intended to endorse Paul.

I do believe George Soros, possibly allied with convert support from Arab states and the Chinese, will gladly fund a Paul or Trump third party run in 2012 to ensure an Obama victory. Recent history shows a third party candidate can siphon enough popular votes to shift the Electoral College in close races. Perot enabled Clinton to win in 1992 and 1996 by attracting conservative Republicans. In 2000 Ralph Nader under the Green Party flag captured enough liberal voters in Florida to give George W. Bush a tiny popular vote margin and Florida’s electoral votes. Had Nader not run, Gore would have won Florida on election night by a few thousand votes and the electoral crisis of 2000 would not have occurred.

If the Republicans choose Romney to carry the flag in 2012 it is almost certain Paul or Trump running as a third party candidate would attract disaffected conservative and libertarian voters unable to vote for a moderate Republican who has at one time or another supported government run healthcare, open immigration, and abortion rights not to mention being a poster boy for Wall Street. In close swing states Paul or Trump would almost certainly receive enough votes to allow Obama to win the popular vote and the state’s electoral votes.

My instincts tell me the odds of a Paul and/or Trump third party run is very high. Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 9:03:29 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: mnehring

I always suspected a RuPaul/Soros connection. And now we have it outlined. Thanks for posting this valueable article!


3 posted on 01/02/2012 9:07:53 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: mnehring

Since the federal gov of the USA is borrowing 43 cents for every dollar it spends, is over 16 trillion dollars in debt, is it not a good idea to look for ways of maybe spending a little less? I do believe that GOP leadership agreed to let Obama cut 500 billion from defense NEXT YEAR, any way Obama wants to. With our debt there are no easy solutions to be had. Ridiculing those making a serious, sincere effort to reduce debt is not helpful.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 9:14:58 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Old Sarge
Sustainable Defense Task Force

Carl Conetta, Project on Defense Alternatives
Benjamin H Friedman, Cato Institute
William D Hartung, New America Foundation
Christopher Hellman, National Priorities Project
Heather Hurlburt, National Security Network
Charles Knight, Project on Defense Alternatives
Lawrence J Korb, Center for American Progress
Paul Kawika Martin, Peace Action
Laicie Olson, Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation
Prasannan Parthasarathi, Boston College
Miriam Pemberton, Institute for Policy Studies
Laura Peterson, Taxpayers for Common Sense
Christopher Preble, Cato Institute
Winslow Wheeler, Center for Defense Information

Task Force members serve as individuals. Affiliations are listed for identification purposes and do not imply organizational endorsement of the Task Force findings.

The Sustainable Defense Task Force was formed in response to a request from Representative Barney Frank (D-MA), working in cooperation with Representative Walter B. Jones (R-NC), Representative Ron Paul (R-TX), and Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), to explore possible defense budget contributions to deficit reduction efforts that would not compromise the essential security of the United States. The Project on Defense Alternatives coordinated the work of the Task Force. Carl Conetta drafted the main body of the Task Force report in ongoing consultation with Task Force members who developed or digested proposals from the diverse sources cited in the report. A sub-committee of the Task Force reviewed the final draft before publication. It should not be assumed that all Task Force members endorse all items and sections of the report.

5 posted on 01/02/2012 9:19:54 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

So then you agree with this panel proposed by Ron Paul and Barney Frank?


6 posted on 01/02/2012 9:20:15 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

No have not read it, this is the first I’ve heard of it. I am sure there are 100’s of plans to reduce spending. I am hopeful that the House of Representatives will FINALLY do their job and reduce spending. The House is the only body with the authority to reduce spending. When the House comes up with a plan I will let you know what I think of the House plan.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 9:26:20 AM PST by jpsb
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To: mnehring

RuPaul tied to Georgy Schwartz? That tops it!


8 posted on 01/02/2012 9:32:28 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Soul of the South

“My instincts tell me the odds of a Paul and/or Trump third party run is very high. Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.”

Here’s a game plan for you. Don’t vote third party! If Obama’s defeat is the primary objective, then vote GOP regardless of who the nominee is.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 10:06:00 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Soul of the South

“On principle Paul is in line with the founding fathers and the original of the Constitution. The US today has an offensive military force and employs it around the world at the whim of the president. The founders envisioned defensive forces, stationed inside the boundaries of the country supplemented by local militias. The founders did not envision the US becoming involved in what they considered to be “foreign entanglements” across the globe.”

Really? You mean those founding fathers that fought a war with France (Quasi War) and fought the british in the war of 1812? And, if they didn’t envision an offensive military force, what about sending the US Navy to Tripoli? Then, there was that Monroe Doctrine thingy. Looks like the founding fathers did quite a bit of entangling.


10 posted on 01/02/2012 10:18:17 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: mnehring

“Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.” – Ronald Reagan

“Ron Paul is a kook, a nutcase, insane, in-cahoots-with-George-Soros-to-promote-the-demise-of-the-United States, pro-abortion, open borders, a$$wipe, liberal, surrender-monkey, king of pork, big government, non-viable pretender. We need to keep any mention of his ideas from infecting the people” - Lex Lemming


11 posted on 01/02/2012 10:21:52 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: DugwayDuke

also the US had the good fortune up to the 1900s to benefit from the protection of the Royal Navy. For the most part we had a commonality of interests in “freedom of the seas” meaning promoting and encouraging world trade (There was that 1812 dust up that you pointed out!). The US for the most part didn’t have the ocean going navy to do much more then cheer the RN along. The exceptions being Perry’s Expedition to Japan, which was “Open-Your-Ports-for-Trading-&-Our -Whaling-Ships-for-Emergency-Fitting-or-We-Will-Shell-Your-Ports” proposal. There was a similar proposal made to the Hermit Kingdom - Korea in 1867, but it was more of a “Stop-Killing-Stranded-Whalemen-or-We-Shell-Your-Ports” proposal, that took a landing of the USMC to put an exclamation point on that proposal. Again Paulites have a very selective reading of US history.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 10:36:35 AM PST by Reily
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To: mnehring

ho-lee-krab

I said this JUST YESTERDAY that I bet PaulBots are a Soros funded attempt to defeat Newt so that Romeny will win the GOP

Willard is NOT the only candidate that can defeat Obama, I think he is the only candidate that can be DEFEATED by Obama.

Remember, he is the LOSER who lost to McCain, who is THE LOSER who lost to Obama last time.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 11:08:00 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to profreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Reily

Good points. Not normally recognized is that the Royal Navy pretty much was the major supporter of the Monroe Doctrine.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 11:37:12 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Soul of the South

“Hopefully the RINO leadership intent on nominating Romney has a winning game plan for this scenario. At this point in time it is difficult to envision what that game plan might be.”

I don’t think they much care. They seem to have an “arrangement” with barky and most of the d’s. While I’m sure they’d prefer mittens, they have a long history of doing business across the aisle.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 11:59:14 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: mnehring

I can only assume from your continued spamming of breaking/front page news with Paul stuff the last few days that you’re pulling for Romney in IA, no?


16 posted on 01/02/2012 12:53:13 PM PST by jmc813
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To: jmc813

Most things I put into Bloggers- it seems someone with more power than I is promoting the articles to news.

I am for anybody but Romney or Paul in the primaries. Hell, I’ll even take the Rent is Too Damn High guy over those two.

Romney needs Paul. Romney’s support numbers are always flat so he needs Paul to split up the ‘not Romney’ votes enough that it keeps his numbers on top.


17 posted on 01/02/2012 1:11:29 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

bump


18 posted on 01/02/2012 7:36:57 PM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: Nightshift

gnip


19 posted on 01/02/2012 7:38:03 PM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: SJackson; Nachum

ping


20 posted on 01/02/2012 7:39:28 PM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: LucyT; BP2; rxsid; null and void; Candor7

ping


21 posted on 01/02/2012 7:41:21 PM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: mnehring; admin

This is NOT BREAKING NEWS.

God, Ron Paul isn’t the second coming.


22 posted on 01/02/2012 8:43:15 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: mnehring

Another reason not to vote for that treasonous POS.


23 posted on 01/02/2012 8:58:26 PM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: Soul of the South

>Splitting the Republican vote is the sure fire way for the Democrats to achieve victory in 2012. <

I have said this since day one.

Sadly, I have also said that many democrats have flipped to Paul and have acted as if they support him to the point of actually registering as republicans to vote for him in the primary. They post in blogs that they will vote for him as a write in if need be.
In actuality, they fully plan on voting for obama in the general election.

I have confirmed that a few Obama supporters that I know personally are now doing this, so it must be pretty widespread.

What I hear from Ron Paul Supporters is that he is the only man who can actually beat obama. But in reality, in every mainstream poll, he appears to be the only one who can’t.

Unless of course you look at Alex Jonse’s polls then he is so far off the charts then well, you get the picture.

Meanwhile, I noticed a few things that really struck me as odd. Like the fact that Herman Cain, the only black man in the race for the republican nod, was threatened so bad as was his family that he needed secret service protection. He was given scandal after scandal one after another and all four had connections to Obama or Rham direct that the media never touched.
They had an instant impact on him and he was out of the race in a matter of 30 days. Imagine that .. a man who could have taken 1/3 of Obama’s black vote out within 30 days.

All of the republicans have been harassed by members of Obama’s staff indirectly .. with the exception of ONE PERSON. It would seem that there is only really one person that Obama doesn’t fear facing .... the one who had a four person newspaper some years back, that was full of racial bigotry, who is all over the Internet as a 9/11 truther and conspiracy theorist, a man who has been in congress forever with over 600 pieces of legislation that he has proposed and yet that only one has ever passed. The naming of a building ....

yep .. the crazy old uncle of the congress that no one wants to be associated with ...

the one man who has made more anti-jewish statements than Harod himself ..

and Obama nor his team have gone after him yet ... now this information regarding Soros ...

Go figure ...


24 posted on 01/02/2012 9:05:58 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Soul of the South

Do you understand that our military is currently about 4.2% of GDP? Our military is one of the few constitutionally mandated functions of the federal government.

The world is much, much smaller than it was in the seventeen hundreds when the oceans were vast. These days a small determined group of people can potentially kill millions in a day. Something that was not possible only a hundred years ago.

Those are the facts and the realities of the world today.

4.2% isn’t excessive.

The real spending problems are on the mountains of social programs neither mandated or even authorized by the constitution.


25 posted on 01/02/2012 10:47:09 PM PST by DB
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To: Soul of the South; All

There is also a likely Green Party Candidate, Dr. Jill Stein.


26 posted on 01/02/2012 11:31:41 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: jpsb

So you support what George Soros supports?


27 posted on 01/03/2012 3:30:06 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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28 posted on 01/03/2012 5:12:10 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims¬óDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: SJackson; All
Ron Paul admits to FEMA camps for detainment of citizens.

Glenn Beck talks FEMA camps with Ron Paul

29 posted on 01/03/2012 5:53:16 AM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: Soul of the South

Paul should not even be allowed to run on the GOP platform, he is not a conservative nor a republican, he’s a liberal on social and foreign policies and a fiscal conservative.

He and hi9s supporters are nuts and I’m sick and tired of hearing he is the constitution which sounds great but when you question the nuts who follow him they really want drugs legal, pay hardly any taxes and have no problem with marrying siblings.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 7:18:03 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: mnehring
If true this should be passed on to the other candidates.we sure do not want another Soros troll in the white house..I would not vote for that little sneak Paul..
31 posted on 01/03/2012 7:42:16 AM PST by PLD
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To: mnehring; Soul of the South; Old Sarge; jpsb; Fred Hayek; DugwayDuke; Fester Chugabrew; Reily; ...
On principle Paul is in line with the founding fathers and the original of the Constitution. The US today has an offensive military force and employs it around the world at the whim of the president. The founders envisioned defensive forces, stationed inside the boundaries of the country supplemented by local militias.

BTW, how did the founding fathers envision a local militia defending against Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles?

32 posted on 01/03/2012 7:47:03 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Indy Pendance

“God, Ron Paul isn’t the second coming.”

In a way he is in that he’s like a persistant rash, or maybe even gastroesophageal reflux disease.


33 posted on 01/03/2012 8:01:56 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: jpsb

I find it quite interesting that so many on FR are ready to raise the white flag and open the U.S to fatal attacks from within and from the outside.

Interesting that no one is interested in ending the Freedom killing Agencies and Depts that have SHOWN their willingness to destroy the American Constitution.

AND BARNEY FRANK....does anyone remember Dodd-Frank?

I watched a short clip of a Russian reporter doing a Jay Leno type NYC interview of Americans. Then she made fun of Americans stupidity on issues, and our own history.

Apparently, all the Islamofascist and Commie types have to do is wait for us to raise the WHITE FLAG.

Frankly if I were in the military and Paul gets even close to the nomination I would resign and demand to be sent home from Afghanistan etc. Why die for a Country that is ready to surrender?


34 posted on 01/03/2012 8:44:18 AM PST by marty60
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To: marty60

Did you read what I said about hard choices ahead? The country is broke, 16 trillion in debt with 75 trillion in unfunded liability. I don’t know about you but I have been broke a time or two. When you are broke taking care of yourself as best you can is all you can do. The country is broke. The GOP and the Rats have spent all our money and put next two generations into the poor house.


35 posted on 01/03/2012 8:53:21 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

And you think destroying the military is the answer?

Who is going to defend us when Americans are turned into a Islamic State. Yeah you heard me. Paul is a pro-pali, anti-Israel. Bet he wouldn’t have a problem with Sharia Laws right here in the U.S.

You know his Libertarian BS.


36 posted on 01/03/2012 8:58:50 AM PST by marty60
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To: marty60
Who said anything about destroying the military? Where the hell did that come from, certainly not me. Will we have to make cuts? Probably, but that is a far cry from "destroying the military".

Is today Knee Jerk Day?

37 posted on 01/03/2012 9:07:47 AM PST by jpsb
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To: sam_paine

Sounds like you’re a Paul supporter.


38 posted on 01/03/2012 9:16:02 AM PST by tutstar (Want pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: tutstar
Sounds like you’re a Paul supporter.

Sounds like you're an idiot.

39 posted on 01/03/2012 9:20:11 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: jpsb

re: “Ridiculing those making a serious, sincere effort to reduce debt is not helpful.”

But ridiculing a lunatic and unthinkable commander in chief is necessary


40 posted on 01/03/2012 9:20:25 AM PST by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

I tend to me more of an idea guy then a personality guy, so just calling someone a lunatic without pointing out why you think he is a lunatic does little to impress me. Is Paul very wrong on Islam and Iran, yes. I am hoping he changes he views there in light of the beatings he is getting in the media on those issues. Much like Newt walked back is amnesty for illegals. On another thread I said that if Paul sticks with his position that it is OK for Iran to have nukes I will abandon my support of him, in spite of the fact that I agree with him much more then I disagree. Iran can not be allowed nukes, period.


41 posted on 01/03/2012 9:35:59 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Soul of the South


"Perot enabled Clinton to win in 1992 and 1996 by attracting conservative Republicans."

I tell you what, as I see it, it is suicide for the GOP to get behind a RINO like Romney, because if he gets the nomination, I know so many Republicans who will not vote at all or will vote for a third party candidate or will write in their candidate...I even know some who say they will vote for Obama as punishment. Everyone loses and it is ALL the GOP's fault..and they will be finished...not viable any longer.



42 posted on 01/03/2012 9:43:56 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: jacknhoo

If any Republican votes for obama “as punishment” then 1 they do not deserve to be in the party, and 2 deserve every bit of the misery that a second obama term will bring them.


43 posted on 01/03/2012 10:03:22 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper ( For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: jpsb

Paul is an old man set in his ways. He hasn’t changed in any significant way in at least the last 20 years. To wishfully think that he will on such a critical issue as Islam is very unrealistic. If he didn’t get it after 9-11 he never will.


44 posted on 01/03/2012 10:40:58 AM PST by DB
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To: manc

By that statement you might as well say that Dwight Eisenhower was nuts and to the left of Obama, it would make as much sense, based from what you wrote about Ron Paul the only former service member amongst all these chicken hawk’s with their chest puffed out acting like they are the greatest generation!


45 posted on 01/03/2012 11:17:28 AM PST by RayTheSpook (`)
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To: marty60

Uhhh, why would any religion like Islam take over America because Paul get’s elected? What you said makes no sense at all, if that were the case it already would be that under Obama.


46 posted on 01/03/2012 11:23:54 AM PST by RayTheSpook (`)
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47 posted on 01/03/2012 11:56:32 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: DB

You’re correct, I just hate to give up on the only small government candidate in the race. The only one that doesn’t just play lip service to the Constitution but actually thinks it really is the supreme law of the land. That buys Paul a lot of good will from me. Plus the country to far to broke to continue to be engaged in nation building wars anymore so most of Pauls’ non interventionist foreign policy will be adopted by necessity. But the Iran nuke thing is just to much to swallow, how can Paul be so stupid. I just don’t understand that.


48 posted on 01/03/2012 11:58:49 AM PST by jpsb
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To: manc

Yeah the War on Drugs has really worked out great hasn’t it.


49 posted on 01/03/2012 12:02:34 PM PST by jpsb
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To: RayTheSpook

Do you know his Libertarian Philosophy?

He would have no problem with the Islamofascist setting up shop here.

After all they blow us up because we don’t show them any “respect”.


50 posted on 01/03/2012 2:55:08 PM PST by marty60
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