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To: sam_paine; Munz

Yes. I would hope we can develop both defensive and offesive capabilities that are staged closer to home, yet highly effective on a global basis. The idea being a light footprint out there, with keen eyes everywhere. Munz is on the right track insofar as a presence is desirable. IMO that presence should be predominantly diplomatic as opposed to military. We’re not far from being able to strike on an exceedingly quick, effective basis over tremendous distances. I do not think our forefathers, or Ron Paul, would have any problem with that.

Staging troops and materiel all over the world? If anything, that notion deserves constant analysis for two reasons: It is expensive, and it has a tendency to rub certain peoples the wrong way. There truly is no harm in recognizing and strategically addressing the manifest differences between the West and other peoples.

Best to you both!

65 posted on 01/03/2012 6:28:11 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; sam_paine

Let me give some examples quick (cause I need some rest)

Saudi’s asked for our aid. That is what pissed off Bin laden.
We naturally sent aid. Bin Laden declared war on us.

Were we to say no to the Saudis, then our oil supply would have gone down the tubes. Iraq was all over them. Bin Laden wanted to protect Arabia with the mujahadeen.

meanwhile, the real reason that islam has attacked us, has nothing .. REPEAT NOTHING to do with us being attacked is simply because it is all about their religion to do so. They are looking for a new caliphate to ensure world domination. That includes us. Taking oil supplies would certainly be part of it.
Sharia law would be part of it.

Having their ‘religion’ treated as a religion is all part of it, yet t is not a religion because it comes with it’s own laws that are above the constitution and they are not in line with the constitution because they infringe upon the rights of others unlike other religions. These are things that Ron Paul does not understand or does not want to understand.

As far as keeping boots on the ground, Special Forces soldiers have been used for years as insurgents - in small numbers, building churches schools, hospitals, small villages, whatever the locals needed. Helped train militias and then made them friends that could help keep them on our side rather than be easily turned against us.

That is why Russia was defeated in Afghanistan. We used this successfully against them. Unfortunately - we left too much in place and pulled out again (much like what Paul is saying we should do now) left on their own, they ended up being turned and used against us.

This would happen again. But people do not want to look at that and just see what history has taught us.

When I hear people tell me that Paul says that we are attacked because we occupied their lands I can’t help but wonder what lands we occupied in 1786 when Muslims attacked us the first time. It is BS. They attack us and hold our people for ransom and kill our people because that is =what they are commanded to do by the prophet and the prophet was told to do it by their god allah.

That is what it is. There is no peace except for 10 year false peace with them while they gather strength. It is called a tactical peace. Paul understands NOTHING about Islam and that is a big threat now. Especially now that Obama has tossed the middle east to the muslims.

Time to wake up. We need a strong presence anywhere we can get it, we need allies anywhere we can get them. We need to lock our boarders down and we need to secure our interests worldwide.

Obama has to go and the last thing we need is to have a guy in the white house who is telling the world that 9/11 was our fault!

67 posted on 01/03/2012 7:10:32 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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