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The spectre of 1932: How a loss of faith in politicians and democracy could make 2012 the most
Daily Mail on-line (UK) ^ | 31st December 2011 | Dominic Sandbrook

Posted on 01/02/2012 9:11:45 AM PST by Texas Fossil

The dawn of a new year is usually a time of hope and ambition, of dreams for the future and thoughts of a better life. But it is a long time since many of us looked forward to the new year with such anxiety, even dread.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1932; 2012; democracy; depression; dominicsandbrook; eu; eucrisis
Parallels 2012 and 1932. Much of what he say is valid, however his comments about FDR are way off base.

Yes, we are in a time with little precedent since the Great Depression. The outcome? We shall see.

My opinion is, as bad as things are in the U.S. the rest of the world is much much worse.

Remove Obozo and his Commie minions and we can work through this mess.

Accept the Globalists yoke and we are down for the count.

Those are the options that I see we face.

1 posted on 01/02/2012 9:11:51 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

Sorry for the shortened title. Was necessary to post.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 9:12:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Here you are. The title is indeed a long 'un:

The spectre of 1932: How a loss of faith in politicians and democracy could make 2012 the most frightening year in living memory


3 posted on 01/02/2012 9:14:24 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Texas Fossil

If Obama were re-elected, we will surely see a depression, in fact it is almost guaranteed.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 9:17:06 AM PST by RC2
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To: COBOL2Java

Thank you sir.


5 posted on 01/02/2012 9:17:41 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Remove Obozo and his Commie minions and we can work through this mess.

And presently 0bama lite is shown as the leading contender to run against 0bama...

6 posted on 01/02/2012 9:18:15 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: RC2

It will take more than a Republican win to prevent one.

It will take exceptional leadership. Something we have not projected for a long time.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 9:19:26 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Long as we keep talkimg in generalities about “loss of faith” in politicians, etc., the edge of the cliff gets closer.

The real problem is the left, it should never be taken seriously, and we (the West) have allowed a fringe philosophy to take equal status with common sense.

Things like “taking care” of people rather than having them work simply will lead to disaster.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 9:19:28 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Texas Fossil; JLAGRAYFOX; flat; unkus; Doogle; Foolsgold; mazda77; vette6387; Nachum; ...

Everyone I talk to about politics is utterly “disgusted” with corrupt politicians in both Parties; they want them “all” gone in November 2012 and plan to finish cleaning the DC sewer in 2014. State and local politicians aren’t fairing any better in everyone’s opinion. The anger is real and the rage is seething, IMO.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 9:20:14 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: EGPWS

Yep, unfortunately you are correct.


10 posted on 01/02/2012 9:23:17 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Williams

Yep. Communities were the source of support at one time.

Now that is dissolved.


11 posted on 01/02/2012 9:25:02 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

It’s not so much a loss of faith in democracy as it is a loss of faith in the voters. The Democrats have a notion that everyone should vote, no matter how clueless they may be.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 9:25:36 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Texas Fossil
I have been saying stuff like the content of this article for some time. But I do have one major quibble.

The writer dismisses the seriousness of the GOP candidates--but he seems to forget that Winston Churchill was regarded as a crackpot in the 1930's. So he can bite me.

13 posted on 01/02/2012 9:26:07 AM PST by Lysandru
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To: ExTexasRedhead

I just received an e-mail this morning that Congressman Mac Thornberry was not running for re-election. (my congressman) He is one of the “good guys”. If it is not caused by family issues, it is a very bad bell weather for where we are at.

I have interacted with his staff on several issues and he has always been on the right side. Not the kind we need to loose.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 9:28:13 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Brilliant

And the clueless voters are outnumbering voters like you and I


15 posted on 01/02/2012 9:28:25 AM PST by LMAO ("Begging hands and Bleeding hearts will only cry out for more"...Anthem from Rush)
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To: LMAO

“clueless voters”?

Yes, there are many.


16 posted on 01/02/2012 9:30:58 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

“Remove Obozo and his Commie minions and we can work through this mess.

Accept the Globalists yoke and we are down for the count.”

I could not agree more.


17 posted on 01/02/2012 9:33:26 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Brilliant

That is because the “clueless voters” are the most easily deceived.

Deception is necessary for all Commies/Socialists/Marxists/Progressives/Fascists/Muzzies to come into and stay in power.

Totalitarianism in all forms are a horror.

Liars all and children of the father of lies.


18 posted on 01/02/2012 9:34:27 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Lysandru

Leadership out of this mess will not come from the “Establishment”,

If it comes, it will come from outside DC.

It is TIME.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 9:36:16 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Long read, but fascinating. Thanks for posting.


20 posted on 01/02/2012 9:37:03 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Psalm 144

My prayer for the new year:

God Bless the U.S.

God Bless Israel

God Bless Texas

Give us the guidance than can only come from God.


21 posted on 01/02/2012 9:38:29 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: COBOL2Java

TNX, it was on Drudge this morning.


22 posted on 01/02/2012 9:39:20 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Right on!!! I happend to listen to a speech by Richard Dreyfus, the actor, on Saturday. Now, Mr. Drefus is as liberal, left-wing as a peron comes, but.....he has had a change of heart and politics. The speech was long, but...very informative, as he claims America will disappear shortly if we do not go back to the constitution and the ways of our founding fathers. He blames educators, politicians, hand out government, lack of civic education and an uninformed electorate for our coming downfall. He basically blames politicians of all stripes and says if we do not return to an America that honors individual contribution and excellence we will perish as the one true nation in history that allowed the individual to succeed and prosper from individual effort and reward!!! Interesting speech!!! All should hear it!!! Avialable on CSpan America History 09/17/2011, Byrd Center, WV


23 posted on 01/02/2012 9:43:44 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: RC2

“If Obama were re-elected, we will surely see a depression, in fact it is almost guaranteed.”

Depression, disorder and civil disobedience for appetizers.


24 posted on 01/02/2012 9:44:06 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Amen to your prayer.


25 posted on 01/02/2012 9:46:27 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

“he claims America will disappear shortly if we do not go back to the constitution and the ways of our founding fathers.”

America will come back when the Washington government is brought to heel.


26 posted on 01/02/2012 9:48:53 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

Sounds like he is a Tea Partier. Those horrible racist people, at least that’s how they are portrayed in the media. They are being triangulated by Dems and Rinos as the cause of all the problems, that they won’t “compromise”. Even after the election victories in 2010, look at the cr*p sandwich that got passed right before they all went on Christmas break....I’m more interested in conservatives winning House and Senate seats in 2012 than I am in the presidential race. Then all those Democrat voters who populate all the offices of the government bureaucracy need to be cleaned out. No matter if there is a conservative President, most who work inside the government are Big Government lifetime Dem voters who will work against them.


27 posted on 01/02/2012 10:00:25 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Psalm 144
It can't be done without strict term limits for every office. Even if the Republicans win the presidency AND a super majority, government will not be cut in any significant way. A super majority win without term limits will only delay the inevitable death of our republic.

Without term limits the Republicans will go directly into "don't rock the boat" mode. They will simply do the absolute minimum to appease the base and not spoil their true goal which is to just be reelected time and time again.

We must eliminate the possibility for these power drunk people to stay in Washington indefinitely. Until this happens we will continue down the road to complete collapse.

28 posted on 01/02/2012 10:18:44 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: Texas Fossil

2012 could be the worst in history depending on who gets elected, for the sole reason that he will pick the next 3 Supreme Court Justices.


29 posted on 01/02/2012 10:26:15 AM PST by CGalen
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To: Fu-fu2
I’m more interested in conservatives winning House and Senate seats in 2012 than I am in the presidential race.

...Yer, right, about the only thing I can feel optimistic about.

30 posted on 01/02/2012 10:27:10 AM PST by gargoyle (...a well informed public and a well regulated militia...)
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To: precisionshootist

I agree completely.

I even question whether Washington D.C. still has much (good) functional purpose. Let the Congress et al. caucus electronically, and remain in their home states, subject to the electorate’s scrutiny and approbrium when they act as rulers rather than representatives.

Separate them from each other, from lobbyists, and from the focused media influence.

At least one of two things are inevitably in the future for the US gov. Inc.:
1) Financial collapse similar to that which befell the Soviet Union;
2) radical reform which will be imposed upon them.


31 posted on 01/02/2012 10:45:47 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Texas Fossil
Linking to duplicate thread:

The spectre of 1932: [2012 the most frightening year in living memory?]

32 posted on 01/02/2012 11:17:39 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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