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The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter (SSgt Wuterich-Master Thread)
1-2-2012

Posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by smoothsailing

January 2, 2012

The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter

It certainly seems appropriate that the last defendant in the Haditha case is the squad leader, SSgt Frank Wuterich. Leaders take responsibility, and SSgt Wuterich has taken full responsibility for the actions of his squad in Haditha. His stance from the outset has remained clear:

"My Marines responded to the threats they faced in the manner that we all had been trained", he has steadfastly maintained. "I will bear the memory of the events of that day forever, and will always mourn the unfortunate deaths of the innocent Iraqis who were killed during our response to the attack."

As the last Marine originally charged in the deaths of Iraqis in Haditha, Iraq in 2005, SSgt Wuterich will be seated at the defense table in his general court-martial two days from now, Wednesday, January 4th. Barring last minute motions or outright dismissal of charges, jury selection will begin Wednesday or Thursday. SSgt. Wuterich will be tried by a jury of combat-experienced Marines, and the panel will include at least two Marines from the enlisted ranks.

Much has been written over the last six years about Haditha, and links to some of the most recent news articles and commentaries are included at the bottom of this post to help bring readers up to date. For older Free Republic postings, please use this link or enter the keyword Haditha in the Free Republic search engine.

The purpose of this Free Republic thread is to serve as a "Master Post" where trial news and updates can be brought together in one place for easy reference by those interested in following the proceedings as they unfold.

Freepers Smoothsailing, Red Rover, and Jazusamo will monitor the thread, post updates, and attempt to answer questions or direct readers to information sources. Jazusamo maintains the Haditha Marine Ping List. Please ask Jazusamo to be added to the ping list if you wish to be alerted to updates.

Recent News and Commentary:

MILITARY TIMES-Haditha Marine Faces Trial

Count Down to the Last Haditha Trial

MILITARY: Two high-profile cases set for Pendleton courtrooms

Remember SSgt Frank D. Wuterich: The last Haditha Marine goes on trial

Don’t rewrite Murtha’s legacy (Haditha Marines)


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To: Girlene

It must have come from the immediate sweep by Marines because NCIS wasn’t involved until months after the event and shell casings, presumably, weren’t still laying around. We’ll have to wait for the defense’s presentation to find out for sure.

My guess is that NCIS ignored reports by Marines on the spot and started from scratch. But we’ll see.

Thankfully, the jurors have combat experience and (I pray) will understand that the E in ROE stands for Engagement. And men under fire are in the best position to know what the engagement calls for. Second-guessing that in a murder trial is a danger to our entire military.


151 posted on 01/10/2012 7:01:28 AM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover
Agree with that, Red. I found it interesting in the NC article, MILITARY: Marine accused of losing control in Iraq , that Col. Watt says he would have stopped investigating and determined this was a criminal incident had he seen the photos at the time. Photos would have been addtional data in his investigation, not the end of it.

Sounds like Col. Watt is merely trying to cover his rear.
152 posted on 01/10/2012 7:28:03 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Yes, that’s a strange comment. A photo of a car crash victim can be horrific. But it doesn’t mean the death was criminal.


153 posted on 01/10/2012 8:28:15 AM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene; smoothsailing; jazusamo; Lancey Howard; Gene Eric; lilycicero

Word is that LCpl Tatum will be the first witness this morning. (At least the word at the moment.)


154 posted on 01/10/2012 8:56:40 AM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene; RedRover
More from the defense attorneys' blog on the hindsightful Col.Watt...

Retired Army Colonel Testifies in Haditha Trial

January 10, 2012

Yesterday, the government called a retired Army Colonel to the stand to mitigate the report he did in February of 2006, which called the Haditha incident a legitimate combat action. The retired Colonel stated that he was not given BDA (battle damage assessment) pictures of the residential buildings. He further stated his opinion that if had he seen the pictures of the dead Iraqis he would have stopped the Army 15-6 investigation and reported to Lieutenant General Peter W. Chiarelli that a crime had been committed.

The Colonel praised SSgt Wuterich for being forthright and truthful in answering all questions posed to him on February 21, 2006. He also told the court that SSgt Wuterich, as the squad leader, walked into the interview room and immediately took full responsibility for the actions of his squad before being asked any questions. While the Colonel continued to stand by his report – unfortunate deaths of civilians in a military combat action, he offered a caveat that the report was based on information he had at the time.

The Colonel stated the convening authority, LTG Chiarelli, identified the purpose of the AR 15-6 as to determine the facts of the combat action and determine if it was what Tim McGirk was about to report in the March 2006 edition of TIME Magazine or if it was the unfortunate result of combat actions during a complex insurgent attack on Marine forces.

It appears the Colonel, using hindsight, would amend his report done in 2006 which was based on interviews of all the Marines involved in the incident that day. At issue is how the passage of time affects memories. Since the Haditha incident, the rules of engagement, training, and equipment have changed for the better to safeguard all human life of both Marines and Iraqi families. Remembering the exact military rules of engagement in place in November 2005 and more importantly their application on the battlefield including the type of equipment the Marines had is critical to providing a fair trial for SSgt Wuterich.

Using hindsight, all events can be analyzed with should have, could have, would have. The events of that day had more than one Marine involved and in addition to the ROE and the environment in November 2005, another issue in the current trial is which Marine fired at whom and why.

http://www.puckettfaraj.com/2012/01/retired-army-colonel-testifies-in-haditha-trial/

155 posted on 01/10/2012 10:25:24 AM PST by smoothsailing (www.FrankWuterich.com)
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover; All

Sounds like Watt is a CYA type now that the dust has settled. I wonder if he feels this strongly about the photos now, why didn’t he then? As Red said up the thread, car wreck photos can be terrible but they don’t mean a crime was committed.

IMO, this doesn’t speak well for Watt.


156 posted on 01/10/2012 10:40:55 AM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover

Watt’s a wimp.


157 posted on 01/10/2012 11:37:19 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover; Defend Our Marine

Mark Walker’s report on Tatum’s morning testimony...

http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-marine-describes-blasting-way-through-iraqi-homes/article_a0a35a62-2ddf-55d2-8971-4296f38f6553.html

“Other members of Wuterich’s squad from Camp Pendleton’s 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment Kilo Company squad are expected to testify Tuesday afternoon.”

I’m pretty sure Justin Sharratt has been called as a witness.


158 posted on 01/10/2012 12:58:03 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Thanks, smooth. Justin is there—not sure if he’ll be called today. So is Maj Dinsmore.

The major prosecution witnesses from the squad will be Mendoza and Dela Cruz. Both were terrible in the Article 32 so we’ll see how the prosecution uses them.


159 posted on 01/10/2012 1:23:26 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover; jazusamo
The major prosecution witnesses from the squad will be Mendoza and Dela Cruz. Both were terrible in the Article 32 so we’ll see how the prosecution uses them.

I imagine the defense will be on them like white on rice.

160 posted on 01/10/2012 1:29:02 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover

Thank you both. Walker doesn’t seem to have much detailed testimony.


161 posted on 01/10/2012 1:33:30 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
Thank you both. Walker doesn’t seem to have much detailed testimony.

I noticed that too, Jaz. The only actual quotes in the article attributed to Tatum that I saw were "I saw silhuettes of targets" and "frag the room".

Red suggested that the Marines may just answer "yes" or "no" to questions (ref. Gannon). It could be that Walker has very little to report that's to his liking, so his article is his typical blather.

162 posted on 01/10/2012 2:03:55 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover
It could be that Walker has very little to report that's to his liking, so his article is his typical blather.

I was thinking the same thing. He makes no mention at all of cross examination, I do think the defense has the right of cross under the UCMJ, right?

If there was cross examination or no cross or if it was coming up I'd have thought he would have at least mentioned it.

163 posted on 01/10/2012 2:14:45 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I do think the defense has the right of cross under the UCMJ, right?

Yes, all sworn testimony is subject to cross-examination, IIRC. That could be happening now.

164 posted on 01/10/2012 2:39:18 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
It's disappointing, but certainly not surprising, that the persecutors were able to kick over a couple of rocks and come up with worms like Watt and this "retired Army Colonel". If I was the defense team, every single question I asked these assclowns would be prefaced by some form of, "During your investigation of the brutal ambush that killed Lance Corporal Terrazas and wounded two other Marines..."


165 posted on 01/10/2012 4:52:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Retired Army Col. Gregory Watt, who led the initial probe, and his assistant Army Lt. Col. David Mendelson.

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Marine-accused-of-losing-control-in-war-crime-2450033.php

You’re right, Lancey, and “worms” is putting it nicely.


166 posted on 01/10/2012 5:34:30 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero
Got the latest up here: LCPL TATUM TESTIFIES.
167 posted on 01/10/2012 6:35:55 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover; Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; Girlene; lilycicero

Excellent piece by Nat. Gannon got stuffed trying to deny evidence. Nat covered the cross examination beautifully.


168 posted on 01/10/2012 6:48:38 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for posting the defense blog, smooth.....Col. Hindsighty covered his hiney.


169 posted on 01/10/2012 7:03:30 PM PST by Girlene
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To: jazusamo; RedRover; Lancey Howard; P-Marlowe; Girlene; smoothsailing; lilycicero; Ironmajor
After telling Puckett about his encounter with the NCIS special agent, the former military judge moved on to what Tatum and the other Marines knew before they left Firm Base Sparta to resupply the isolated outpost. That drew an immediate objection from lead prosecutor Major Nicholas Gannon. The court recessed for about 20 minutes while the attorneys argued whether any classified information was going to be revealed.

“There is nothing classified that was discussed and if it was it was declassified,” Faraj said with evident anger.

After overcoming the prosecution’s strenuous objections Puckett was allowed to proceed.

The “secrets” Gannon was trying to withhold were revealed in 2007 during the long months of pre-trial Article 32 investigations. Tatum acknowledged the night before the convoy his squad had been briefed to expect trouble,. They were warned to watch out for snipers active everywhere in Haditha and the infamous white cars that insurgents were using as Vehicle Borne Improvised Explosive Devices.

“You were told about that because of certain types of complex attacks involved white cars. You were aware of a number of these incidents, is that right?” Puckett asked. "You had been told Iraqis hid weapons and then pulled them out and fired at you after you though things were clear.”

“Yes sir,” Tatum responded.

There will be more in the Weekend Wrap about the testimony of SSgt Justin Laughner, the second witness to be called Tuesday. Laughner was the intelligence expert in the Human Exploitation Team that was attached to 3/1 at Haditha. He was still being interrogated at the time of this writing.

This prosecutor should be censured for attempting to prevent evidence from being presented that goes to the heart of guilt or innocence. Knowing those intel reports about white car insurgents, snipers, IEDs, and insurgents throughout Haditha is critical to what these Marines actually faced, and not to mention their mindset.

Add to that the presence of AK47 and other enemy brass at the site of the attack, and there is no way a warrior can conclude that these Marines were over-reacting.

Objecting to honest information is criminal on the part of the prosecutor.

170 posted on 01/10/2012 7:05:57 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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Placemark


171 posted on 01/10/2012 7:09:18 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: xzins; RedRover; Lancey Howard; P-Marlowe; Girlene; smoothsailing; lilycicero; Ironmajor
This prosecutor should be censured for attempting to prevent evidence from being presented that goes to the heart of guilt or innocence. Knowing those intel reports about white car insurgents, snipers, IEDs, and insurgents throughout Haditha is critical to what these Marines actually faced, and not to mention their mindset.

Add to that the presence of AK47 and other enemy brass at the site of the attack, and there is no way a warrior can conclude that these Marines were over-reacting.

Objecting to honest information is criminal on the part of the prosecutor.

You're exactly right, xzins. The mindset of these Marines from what they were told before the patrol is most relevant to this CM. For the prosecutor to to try to deny that from being put to the panel is pathetic, IMO.

Censure is the very least that should happen to this prosecutor.

172 posted on 01/10/2012 7:16:29 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover; jazusamo; Lancey Howard; xzins; lilycicero; bigheadfred; 4woodenboats; ...
The NC Times write up says:

:Tatum said he never heard any being fired from inside the rooms.

He said he wasn't certain who he was shooting, but believed they were insurgents because of Wuterich's actions.

"The only thing that gave me an indication that there was hostile intent was Staff Sgt. Wuterich firing," Tatum said.


And yet in the piece by Nat Helms, we read something different:

At one point Tatum told Puckett he heard an AK-47 being “racked,” a sound he recognized instantly.

“Once I heard that AK-47 racking, I wasn’t going in that room to endanger myself or my Marines. At Fallujah we learned we never went into a room without throwing in a grenade.


So......I'm wondering if the first version was what NCIS was able to get Tatum to sign after his 12 - 16 hour interrogation in which he was forced to relieve himself on the floor (who does that?), and his testimony to the defense, the real one.

North County Times didn't bother to point out the two versions.
173 posted on 01/10/2012 7:29:14 PM PST by Girlene
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To: jazusamo

A prosecutor for the military should NOT be trying to convict any military defendant. They should be trying to ensure that all of the truth comes out.

If that truth convicts a defendant, then so be it. If they know, on the other hand, that truth is being withheld, then they are honor bound to ensure a member of the military has the whole story told.

Military prosecutors should not be rewarded for conviction rates. They should be rewarded for insistence on every remotely relevant fact being placed before the court.


174 posted on 01/10/2012 7:30:52 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: Girlene

This is not the first time that Tatum has told of hearing the AK47 being racked. I distinctly remember it being part of his story for years now.

NC Times knows Tatum’s story and continues to intentionally stay with their own storyline.

If I were a Marine in their sales area...or any military member for that matter...I would refuse to buy any of there papers or visit any of their websites.


175 posted on 01/10/2012 7:34:17 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: xzins
They should be trying to ensure that all of the truth comes out.

Well said, that's exactly what they should make sure happens. Unfortunately that is not what has happened in the Haditha hearings and CM's.

176 posted on 01/10/2012 7:38:49 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: Girlene
North County Times didn't bother to point out the two versions.

Like most Democrat "mainstream" newsrooms, the reporting is tailored to fit the newspaper's America-hating, liberal political agenda. Since we know that is the attitude of the mighty Los Angeles Times, we can be fairly sure that is also the attitude of the lowly North County Times.

177 posted on 01/10/2012 7:44:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: xzins

>> A prosecutor for the military should NOT be trying to convict any military defendant. They should be trying to ensure that all of the truth comes out.

This has been a problem from the beginning. Regrettably, it’s about politics, zealotry, and opportunism.


178 posted on 01/10/2012 7:46:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: xzins
Objecting to honest information is criminal on the part of the prosecutor..

Objecting to honest information is typical for the military prosecutors in these cases. Sean Sullivan has been especially good at these tactics.

It was good to see white car VBIED intelligence was allowed to be discussed. Not sure how it could be classified since we've all read about it. That piece of info.had to affect decision making when a white car shows up as the intial IED is detonated under the fourth humvee.
179 posted on 01/10/2012 7:47:48 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; xzins
Yesterday Wuterich’s co-counsel Haytham Faraj revealed that 30 percent of the expended cartridges found in the second of two houses cleared in the Marines initial attack were apparently fired by insurgents. His revelation is the first evidence that insurgents had used the houses as strong points, as the Marines believed.

When asked to explain why he had voluntarily joined Wuterich’s team ordered to “clear South” by platoon leader Lt William Kallop, Tatum told the court “I had served with them for a long time. I proceeded to join the group going toward House 1. The house had been declared hostile. Any individual there was hostile.”

At one point Tatum told Puckett he heard an AK-47 being “racked,” a sound he recognized instantly.

“Once I heard that AK-47 racking, I wasn’t going in that room to endanger myself or my Marines. At Fallujah we learned we never went into a room without throwing in a grenade.

Yesterday Faraj was talking about house #2. Today Tatum is apparently referencing house #1. So now the jury has heard testimony strongly suggesting that insurgents were present at BOTH houses. This is good!

180 posted on 01/10/2012 7:50:04 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Girlene; xzins; jazusamo
As xzins recalls, Tatun's testimony is consistent with his statements at the Article 32 hearing:

There are some points I’d like to bring to light.

The reason I fired in house 1 is that I knew small arms fire was coming from the south. I didn’t see where it was coming from, but I saw an M203 round hit house 1. My squad leader told me on the way to house 1 to treat it as hostile.

I heard a Marine engage a target after entering the house, and I knew Mendoza engaged a target to the right inside the house. I heard an AK-47 being racked in the room to the left, and me and Cpl Salinas threw grenades in that room. 

After the grenade went off, I went in and followed my training firing in my sector.

The visibility was horrible. There was dust and smoke. I really couldn’t make out more than targets. Someone yelled there was a runner, so I followed my fire team to house 2. Before we entered, Mendoza engaged someone through the door. Inside, I was told to frag a room. When I saw that room was clear, I heard another Marine engage in the next room. My duty was to help that Marine, so I went in and engaged targets.

It was dark, I couldn’t make out a whole lot. Just targets. I only went in each room a few steps, and the shooting lasted only seconds in both houses.

I did not tell NCIS I knew there were women and children before I fired. I did not know there was women and children in that house until I went back later in the afternoon with SSgt Laughner. Otherwise, I would have physically stopped everybody from shooting. The conversation Mendoza said happened never happened.

I am not comfortable with the fact that I might have shot a child. I don’t know if my rounds impacted anybody. That is a burden I will have to bear.


181 posted on 01/10/2012 7:50:53 PM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene
Not sure how it could be classified since we've all read about it.

I agree. We've read about it. Many times. We've also read about the eyes in the sky that observed the battles in Haditha that day. I would not be surprised to learn that the prosecution/government has exhonerating pictures stashed in some vault someplace.

I assume that the court/panel is instructed not to consider what isn't presented, and in some cases they might specifically be instructed not to consider certain information.

182 posted on 01/10/2012 7:53:34 PM PST by xzins (Pray for Our Troops Remaining in Afghanistan, now that Iran Can Focus on Injuring Only Them)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo

It’s a powerful update from Nat, Red. How would you like to handle it, a thread of it’s own?


183 posted on 01/10/2012 8:01:01 PM PST by smoothsailing (www.FrankWuterich.com)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; Admin Moderator

Please Bump this thread to the top of the sidebar! Thanks!


184 posted on 01/10/2012 8:03:52 PM PST by smoothsailing (www.FrankWuterich.com)
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To: smoothsailing
That's right: House 1. Tatum told NCIS he heard the AK being racked and it was on the map he drew of the engagement recreated here...


185 posted on 01/10/2012 8:04:20 PM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene; Lancey Howard

>> North County Times didn’t bother to point out the two versions.

LH posted a few articles from NCT that exemplifies this ongoing problem with reporting.


186 posted on 01/10/2012 8:06:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: RedRover

And the beauty of it is that it has been entered as sworn testimony by a witness for the prosecution! Gannon and Sullivan didn’t want this!


187 posted on 01/10/2012 8:08:36 PM PST by smoothsailing (www.FrankWuterich.com)
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To: smoothsailing
Just for clarity, below is the original map of House 1 that Tatum drew. I added that the room was where Tatum heard an AK being racked.


188 posted on 01/10/2012 8:18:52 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

Excellent!!!


189 posted on 01/10/2012 8:21:41 PM PST by smoothsailing (www.FrankWuterich.com)
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To: RedRover
Thanks, Red...So much time has elapsed it's very difficult, at least for me, to remember prior testimony and it's clear that the prosecution is trying to take advantage of the time factor.

Thank goodness SSgt. Wuterich has the lawyers he does, it's early but so far this looks to be a blowout for him.

190 posted on 01/10/2012 8:24:54 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover; xzins; Gene Eric; Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; jazusamo
As xzins recalls, Tatun's testimony is consistent with his statements at the Article 32 hearing:

I know, and I remember Tatum's statements from the past...I was pointing out in my earlier post that NC Times reported that Tatum said the only reason he knew there was hostile intent was because of SSgt Wuterich firing his weapon. (Although, you would think Kallop telling him to clear the house would indicate hostile intent.)

I'm assuming that statement came from statements he made after the 12-16 hours interrogation back in Haditha.

The two versions contradict each other. NC Times didn't report where their version came from. I'm assuming it came from prosecutor Gannon asking Tatum, (paraphrasing), "Isn't it true you said, blah, blah, blah in your deposition with NCIS?" Since Tatum can't remember exactly what he said or signed to, he can only take their word that he did say that.
191 posted on 01/10/2012 8:24:54 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover

It’s really important that Helms repeatedly interjects the facts of that November day, 2005 into his reporting. Too many have been dismissive of the circumstances.


192 posted on 01/10/2012 8:27:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

I thought maybe we’d wait so we don’t bombard people with threads. Let’s see what happens tomorrow! Night all!


193 posted on 01/10/2012 8:29:39 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

Nat Helms is a really, really good writer.
Clear, concise, easy to read. His writing flows very nicely.


194 posted on 01/10/2012 8:31:07 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing

Talk atcha tomorrow, looks to have been a good day for SSgt. Wuterich.


195 posted on 01/10/2012 8:32:50 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: Girlene
I just looked back at some earlier reports from 2009, and came across this characterization put forth by NCT's Walker:

The storming of those homes resulted in the deaths of men, women and children, none of whom were later proven to have any ties to the bombing or the Iraqi insurgency.

I recall this shading of events was not uncommon.

MILITARY: Haditha case back in court Wednesday March 10, 2009

196 posted on 01/10/2012 8:37:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: Gene Eric

Well, obviously NC Times neglected to include Tatum’s memory of an AK-47 being racked....an obvious indication of hostility.

On top of that they keep ignoring the fact that it was Lt. Kallop who ordered the Marines to clear the house. SSgt Wuterich was following HIS orders.

It’s obvious the prosectuion has nothing new except in the way they package/phrase their accusations.

Although they decided to go after 8 Marines for everything from obstruction to murder, since they couldn’t get any convictions, the prosecution has now decided those Marines weren’t really ever guilty.....it was all SSgt Wuterich’s fault because as prosecutor Gannon said, “He (Wuterich) lost control of himself”.


197 posted on 01/10/2012 8:55:22 PM PST by Girlene
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San Diego Tribune article, They feared hidden insurgents, Marine says in Iraq trial
198 posted on 01/10/2012 9:08:13 PM PST by Girlene
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Dela Cruz testifying now. Crucial testimony.


199 posted on 01/11/2012 9:14:04 AM PST by RedRover
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Dela Cruz didn’t provide mixed stories in the past and may have a credibility issue. I hope the defense gets into the original interrogation of Dela Cruz. IIRC, he was treated the way Tatum was and may have said anything the investigators wanted to hear.


200 posted on 01/11/2012 9:30:25 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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