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The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter (SSgt Wuterich-Master Thread)
1-2-2012

Posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by smoothsailing

January 2, 2012

The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter

It certainly seems appropriate that the last defendant in the Haditha case is the squad leader, SSgt Frank Wuterich. Leaders take responsibility, and SSgt Wuterich has taken full responsibility for the actions of his squad in Haditha. His stance from the outset has remained clear:

"My Marines responded to the threats they faced in the manner that we all had been trained", he has steadfastly maintained. "I will bear the memory of the events of that day forever, and will always mourn the unfortunate deaths of the innocent Iraqis who were killed during our response to the attack."

As the last Marine originally charged in the deaths of Iraqis in Haditha, Iraq in 2005, SSgt Wuterich will be seated at the defense table in his general court-martial two days from now, Wednesday, January 4th. Barring last minute motions or outright dismissal of charges, jury selection will begin Wednesday or Thursday. SSgt. Wuterich will be tried by a jury of combat-experienced Marines, and the panel will include at least two Marines from the enlisted ranks.

Much has been written over the last six years about Haditha, and links to some of the most recent news articles and commentaries are included at the bottom of this post to help bring readers up to date. For older Free Republic postings, please use this link or enter the keyword Haditha in the Free Republic search engine.

The purpose of this Free Republic thread is to serve as a "Master Post" where trial news and updates can be brought together in one place for easy reference by those interested in following the proceedings as they unfold.

Freepers Smoothsailing, Red Rover, and Jazusamo will monitor the thread, post updates, and attempt to answer questions or direct readers to information sources. Jazusamo maintains the Haditha Marine Ping List. Please ask Jazusamo to be added to the ping list if you wish to be alerted to updates.

Recent News and Commentary:

MILITARY TIMES-Haditha Marine Faces Trial

Count Down to the Last Haditha Trial

MILITARY: Two high-profile cases set for Pendleton courtrooms

Remember SSgt Frank D. Wuterich: The last Haditha Marine goes on trial

Don’t rewrite Murtha’s legacy (Haditha Marines)


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To: Girlene; jazusamo

Yeah, we saw it.

Nat Helms at Defend Our Marines wrote an excellent rebuttal to that NY Times garbage...

http://warchronicle.com/DefendOurMarinesExclusive/Trial_of_SSgt_Wuterich/The_Never_Ending_Battle_112.htm


51 posted on 01/05/2012 1:50:57 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene

Glad to hear from you, girl. Hopefully the nightmare(s) are for to be over.


52 posted on 01/05/2012 2:36:16 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for the link - cool site.


53 posted on 01/05/2012 3:42:06 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

They Sucked, M-14 mo better.


54 posted on 01/05/2012 4:03:08 PM PST by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero
Hey, Lancey (and everybody)! Great to see you again! You might be interested in Bob Weimann's latest analysis here. Just posted it now!
55 posted on 01/05/2012 5:32:14 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; Girlene; lilycicero

Great piece, Red and just finished reading it, he stated it perfectly!


56 posted on 01/05/2012 5:36:20 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; Semper Fi Mom

Hope to have a story on Day One in an hour or so. I’m standing by.


57 posted on 01/05/2012 5:39:04 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; Semper Fi Mom
Hope to have a story on Day One in an hour or so. I’m standing by.

OK! I'm Ready!

58 posted on 01/05/2012 5:46:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover; Lancey Howard; Girlene; lilycicero
The last Haditha Marine: Wuterich trial update-By Michelle Malkin • January 5, 2012 06:19 PM
59 posted on 01/05/2012 5:57:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks smooth. I’ve been off this site until a few minutes ago. Looks like this is going to be a real nail biter. I did notice as of this morning, four charges where already dropped.


60 posted on 01/05/2012 6:03:17 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Hey Uncle!

You’re right, Three counts of reckless endangerment by firing a weapon where civilian deaths occurred have been dropped. The judge also dismissed a charge of obstruction of justice alleging that SSgt Wuterich encouraged one of his Marines to lie to investigators.

Per DOM and http://www.puckettfaraj.com/2012/01/wuterich-defense-team-gets-4-more-charges-dismissed/


61 posted on 01/05/2012 6:10:38 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; lilycicero; RedRover; bigheadfred; xzins; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; All
Thanks for the article from Michelle Malkin, smooth.

Missed you guys!

I didn't know this about SSgt Wuterich's personal life, but it will definitely cause some jurors to think twice about SSgt Wuterich's future. Wuterich Haditha Court Martial Update
62 posted on 01/05/2012 6:15:14 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; Semper Fi Mom; Lancey Howard; Marine_Uncle; xzins; All

tweet puckettfaraj
Just out of court; jury selection in progress but not done. Won’t seat them until Friday afternoon.

http://twitter.com/puckettfaraj


63 posted on 01/05/2012 6:16:28 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Looks like they probably won’t start the actual trial until Monday if the panel won’t be selected until tomorrow afternoon.

Happy to see Michelle Malkin will cover this also, she’ll give a fair assessment of it, I’m sure much of the left leaning media won’t.


64 posted on 01/05/2012 6:24:11 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
Happy to see Michelle Malkin will cover this also, she’ll give a fair assessment of it, I’m sure much of the left leaning media won’t.

Yes, Michele will be a good source. After all, she's using us as her source!!! :o)

65 posted on 01/05/2012 6:36:59 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover
After all, she's using us as her source!!!

That just confirms what an intelligent lady she is! LOL!

66 posted on 01/05/2012 6:42:23 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: Girlene

Hola Girleney!!!!


67 posted on 01/05/2012 6:52:48 PM PST by lilycicero (Long time no ping!)
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover; jazusamo; All
Thanks for the updates/info everyone. From Defend Our Marines

Jury selection is today: eleven enlisted and officers and three alternates will go through UCMJ version of the Voir Dire selection. LtCol. David Jones presiding.

Panel must have at least five and can have seven or nine members although somewhere in the middle is likely.
68 posted on 01/05/2012 6:56:55 PM PST by Girlene
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To: lilycicero
Just for you, lily, Guess Who's Back

:-)
69 posted on 01/05/2012 7:08:57 PM PST by Girlene (Why did the blonde get fired from the eminem factory? She kept throwing out the W's)
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To: lilycicero
Just for you, lily, Guess Who's Back

:-)
70 posted on 01/05/2012 7:09:13 PM PST by Girlene (Why did the blonde get fired from the eminem factory? She kept throwing out the W's)
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To: lilycicero

Ooops, sorry, sorry for the double post.


71 posted on 01/05/2012 7:10:36 PM PST by Girlene (new computer!)
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To: Girlene

Marine Corps spokesman Lt. Col. Joseph Kloppel said Thursday that the military court at Camp Pendleton had not finished its interviews of Marines with combat experience to serve on the jury for the trial of Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich. He says opening arguments now could begin as late as Monday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hRX9-IfTFgIkEvBW27bUSJRr5GPQ?docId=acb2a7779b1541d28fe1b5b0e8d53746


72 posted on 01/05/2012 7:40:24 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover; Girlene; lilycicero
Jury Selection to Continue Friday in Final Haditha Trial

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Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, left, and lead defense attorney Neal A. Puckett enter a Camp Pendleton courtroom Thursday. Credit Daniel Woolfolk

73 posted on 01/05/2012 8:08:16 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Girlene
Hi Girlene.

Since his ordeal began, Wuterich has gotten divorced and gained custody of his three school-age daughters, who live with him in nearby Temecula. He works a desk job at Camp Pendleton’s 1st Marine Division headquarters.

That is an interesting update. It's rare for any father to get custody of a child in a divorce situation.

74 posted on 01/05/2012 8:08:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Girlene
David Jones


75 posted on 01/05/2012 8:19:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: smoothsailing

prayers up for Sgt. Wuterich. May this finally be ended and exonerate the accused.


76 posted on 01/05/2012 8:21:08 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Lancey Howard
Naw, this is Davy Jones1


77 posted on 01/05/2012 8:22:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Lancey Howard
That is an interesting update. It's rare for any father to get custody of a child in a divorce situation.

Yep......and one more reason (actually, three) to finally let this go.
78 posted on 01/05/2012 8:23:02 PM PST by Girlene (Guess who's back)
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To: Revolting cat!; Lancey Howard

lol, okay, that picture is totally creepy.

Wasn’t David Jones the judge that decided the generals in the Haditha cases (Jim Mattis, Sam Helland) may have been subject to undue command influence, but, they were soooooo awesome, that they didn’t let it affect them?

ummmmhmmmmmm.....right.


79 posted on 01/05/2012 8:39:00 PM PST by Girlene (Guess who's back)
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To: Girlene
Wasn’t David Jones the judge that decided the generals in the Haditha cases (Jim Mattis, Sam Helland) may have been subject to undue command influence, but, they were soooooo awesome, that they didn’t let it affect them?

Yep, he's the little Monkee..

80 posted on 01/05/2012 8:41:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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By Tony Perry, Los Angeles Times January 6, 2012-Court-martial to begin for Camp Pendleton Marine in Iraqi killings

The hearing officer, while recommending that Wuterich be sent to court-martial, doubted that he would be convicted. The case against Wuterich, the hearing officer wrote, is riddled with the same problems that led to cases against the others being dropped: contradictory evidence, untrustworthy witnesses and poor forensics.

81 posted on 01/05/2012 8:45:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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The pool of potential jurors questioned by attorneys on Thursday included a colonel, two lieutenant colonels, a major, a captain and six enlisted men.

Wuterich has demanded that at least one-third of his jury include troops from the enlisted ranks, a right granted him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

All the potential jurors served at least one combat tour in Iraq. Several served multiple tours, including stints during the height of the war in 2005 and 2006.

Nearly all of the potential jurors also took part in house-clearing operations such as the one Wuterich led during their combat assignments.

During group and individual questioning, all the potential jurors said they had some awareness of the so-called “Haditha massacre” and that the episode had resulted in a tightening of the rules of engagement in Iraq.

But all said they believed that despite what they already know about Haditha, they could serve as impartial jurors.

Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-experienced-war-veterans-to-decide-haditha-defendant-s-fate/article_9e04efe6-5d09-58c4-a540-0458e11ab6b1.html#ixzz1ieMHfPr8


82 posted on 01/05/2012 8:52:43 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo
Just up on Defend Our Marines: The Trial of SSgt Wuterich: Day One: Chessani Will Not Testify.
83 posted on 01/05/2012 8:58:56 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for the further feedback.


84 posted on 01/05/2012 9:02:06 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Lancey Howard

lol. Thanks, Lancey.


85 posted on 01/05/2012 9:19:30 PM PST by Girlene (Guess who's back)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo
That's a very good piece by Nat!

Want to do it as a freestanding thread, Red?

If so, would you do the honors?

86 posted on 01/05/2012 9:20:30 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

I think I’ll post it first thing in the morning (unless jaz wants to do it tonight). I’m just about to call it a day and I hate to post a thread and run!


87 posted on 01/05/2012 9:24:16 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover

Good piece, just finished reading it.

It might be better to post in the morning because of the late hour in the East.

What you two think?


88 posted on 01/05/2012 9:28:27 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo
Morning sounds better, should be a greater impact. Do you have the ping list?

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:o)

89 posted on 01/05/2012 9:29:44 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Got it from jaz! Tomorrow morning it is! Night, guys!


90 posted on 01/05/2012 9:30:49 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo

G’Night Red!


91 posted on 01/05/2012 9:36:41 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover
I see that LtCol Sean Sullivan is still helping out. From Nat's article,

The government is represented by veteran prosecutors Maj. Nicholas Gannon assisted by LtCol. Sean Sullivan, well known during the early pre-trial investigations for his fiery temper and forceful court room manner.

......should read ......for LOSING in the Haditha cases.
92 posted on 01/05/2012 9:38:16 PM PST by Girlene (you will lose again, Sean)
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing

Night all, I’m hittin’ it too.


93 posted on 01/05/2012 9:39:15 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

G’Night, Jaz!


94 posted on 01/05/2012 9:41:29 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Girlene

I just never get tired of that!!!


95 posted on 01/05/2012 11:36:05 PM PST by lilycicero (MARSHALLLLLLL)
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To: smoothsailing

Love the Ping Swing Pic!


96 posted on 01/05/2012 11:38:12 PM PST by lilycicero (Jazz hands!!!)
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To: Lancey Howard

The guy that initiated the charges on these honorable men should be facing court marshal.


97 posted on 01/06/2012 4:28:06 AM PST by dila813
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; All
Day One thread posted here: Chessani Will Not Testify.
98 posted on 01/06/2012 4:30:31 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo
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99 posted on 01/06/2012 11:34:05 AM PST by smoothsailing (DefendOurMarines.com)
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