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The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter (SSgt Wuterich-Master Thread)
1-2-2012

Posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by smoothsailing

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DEFEND OUR MARINES has been and remains the premier source for information concerning the Haditha Marines. Excerpts and links are posted below to the two most recent articles:

HADITHA: SINS OF THE GENERALS

Strategic Legalism

Bob Weimann | December 31, 2011

…”Strategic legalism”…the use of laws or legal arguments to further larger policy objectives, irrespective of the facts or laws… Law and War: An American Story by Peter Maguire

Peter Maguire defines “strategic legalism” in his book Law and War: An American Story. His book focuses primarily on the Nuremberg Trials immediately after the Second World War. Mr. Maguire discusses the extraordinary effort the US made to ensure the German war criminal trials are just and legal. In addition, he exposes an implied mission “that the trials would do more than render justice; they would also serve to "reeducate" the German people.” The strategic legalism occurs when the German war criminals sentences are systematically commuted and the convicted are quietly freed from prison. The United States releases these war criminals because as a nation, we are well into the Cold War and the US needs to curry favor and the loyalty of West Germany people.

I appreciate Mr. Maguire’s work, especially the crystal clear definition of strategic legalism. For me, it was a bit of an epiphany as I researched the reasons for the unfair political prosecutions of SSgt Wuterich and the Haditha Marines. Bam! There is was in black and white on page nine...it has a name. The definition pulled all the loose ends and rabbit trails together, including the Breaker Morant story which is the British version of strategic legalism....

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THE NEVER ENDING BATTLE

by Nathaniel R. Helms | Thursday, December 29, 2011

"The 400 pages of interrogations [regarding the incident in Haditha], once closely guarded as secrets of war, were supposed to have been destroyed as the last American troops prepare to leave Iraq. Instead, they were discovered along with reams of other classified documents...by a reporter for The New York Times at a junkyard outside Baghdad. An attendant was burning them as fuel to cook a dinner of smoked carp."--Michael S. Schmidt, "Junkyard Gives Up Secret Accounts of Massacre in Iraq", The New York Times, December 14, 2011

Three weeks after The New York Times carped about the fellow in Iraq cooking fish with scraps of “classified” U.S. documents, “once closely guarded as secret of war” the long declassified observations of the witnesses detailed in the 400 pages of purloined interrogations are finally going to come out – maybe. That is if the scuttlebutt is dead wrong and no miraculous last minute intervention by someone on high puts a merciful end to arguably the most divisive event to ever test the honor of the United States Marine Corps.

Whether anyone cares enough to notice either way is a much bigger question than why a New York Times reporter wouldn’t bother to actually check the classification status of the documents he was peddling before selling it as fresh fish. He could have found out everything he needed to know just by clicking on Defend Our Marines...

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1 posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:52 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover

Haditha Marine ping!


2 posted on 01/02/2012 10:36:01 AM PST by smoothsailing
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3 posted on 01/02/2012 10:40:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover; 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; ...
The 2 articles linked in comment #1, Strategic Legalism by Bob Weimann and The Never Ending Battle by Nathaniel R. Helms are excellent articles, they're must reads!

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HADITHA MARINE PING!

4 posted on 01/02/2012 10:43:50 AM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

One would think that now that we are out of Iraq there would be no need for this politicized redux of Breaker Morant but I guess once the machinery gets going there’s no stopping it. Prayers for the Marine, he’ll need it.


5 posted on 01/02/2012 10:47:05 AM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: jazusamo

Bump.


6 posted on 01/02/2012 10:52:34 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Lancey Howard
Thank you Lancey. You always have been diligent in posting that picture on these Haditha threads. It is much appreciated!

NEVER FORGET!!!


7 posted on 01/02/2012 11:41:38 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Lancey Howard; RedRover
Memory may have failed me, but I believe the fellow kneeling by the grave marker is Miguel's brother. Red should be able to verify.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 12:03:58 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RobinOfKingston

Auto-ping


9 posted on 01/02/2012 12:06:02 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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10 posted on 01/02/2012 1:22:45 PM PST by smoothsailing
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11 posted on 01/02/2012 1:27:00 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I hope this Marine is cleared of the charges.This has gone on for way too long.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 3:52:00 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Smooth. Didn’t you post an article on the potential dropping of this case a few weeks back? I am certain, it appeared all charges would be dropped and the case closed. Please do not go to any length in verifying the article you posted. So much gets read, dropped, it is hard to keep track of such things.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 4:09:31 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle; jazusamo
Didn’t you post an article on the potential dropping of this case a few weeks back?

Uncle, I think this is the thread...

DEFEND OUR MARINES-LATEST NEWS (Haditha Marines)

And this is the article you're referring to...

Lawsuit filed in case involving Marines charged with Iraqi deaths

14 posted on 01/02/2012 5:48:25 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; Lancey Howard

Yes, that’s Martin Terrazas Jr.—Miguel’s brother. His grave is in his hometown in El Paso.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 6:23:38 PM PST by RedRover
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks smoothsailing. Yes that was the article I was referring to. And obviously I wrote something into it that does not now apply to Sargent Wutrich’s upcoming case, necessarily. May you and yours have a content and healthy new year.


16 posted on 01/02/2012 6:38:06 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Thanks Uncle, and

A VERY HAPPY AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO YOU!


17 posted on 01/02/2012 6:51:40 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

Thanks Red!


18 posted on 01/02/2012 6:52:44 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; RedRover; All

THANK YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR SON FRANK!! Don’t think we would have made it this far without all of you. You are an inspiration to our family. God Bless All of You.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 9:55:44 PM PST by Semper Fi Mom (Mother of a Marine and proud of it! (www.WeSupport Frank.com))
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To: smoothsailing

Father God, be with SSgt Wuterich, his lawyers and the judge.

Have this end quickly and have this man be set free.


20 posted on 01/03/2012 9:42:29 AM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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