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The Haditha Marines-The Squad Leader-A Final Chapter (SSgt Wuterich-Master Thread)
1-2-2012

Posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:48 AM PST by smoothsailing

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To: RedRover; jazusamo
UPDATE

MILITARY: Jury seated for Wuterich trial

An eight-member jury was seated at Camp Pendleton on Friday...

The jury of four officers and four enlisted men will hear opening statements on Monday in the trial of 31-year-old Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich.

101 posted on 01/06/2012 6:56:50 PM PST by smoothsailing (DefendOurMarines)
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To: smoothsailing

Just got a report from Nat. A tedious day. Nothing much to report until the trial gets swinging on Monday. But I’ll post it on Defend Our Marines for the record and we can decide if it warrants its own thread.


102 posted on 01/06/2012 7:00:37 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

Roger! Standing by...


103 posted on 01/06/2012 7:12:20 PM PST by smoothsailing (DefendOurMarines)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for the ping and the news of the selection of the panel.


104 posted on 01/06/2012 7:37:04 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover

Bump.


105 posted on 01/06/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing

Going back and forth between East Coast and West is slow work. I think let’s pack it in for the night, I’ll post on DOM when the story’s done, and post here tomorrow morning.

Things will pick on Monday when opening statements begin. So more tomorrow morning, EST!


106 posted on 01/06/2012 8:22:21 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing

Sounds right to me, Red. Doesn’t look to me like they accomplished anything today but the panel selection.


107 posted on 01/06/2012 8:25:21 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo
... let’s pack it in for the night, I’ll post on DOM when the story’s done, and post here tomorrow morning.

Makes sense to me.

Get some rest big guy, we'll slay some dragons tomorrow!

:o)

108 posted on 01/06/2012 8:31:30 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
DEFEND OUR MARINES UPDATE:

THE TRIAL OF SSGT. WUTERICH:Final Battle Of Haditha Set To Begin -Day Two: Jury selection complete

109 posted on 01/07/2012 3:00:01 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I always LOVED that graphic!


110 posted on 01/07/2012 5:42:53 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

It’s one of your best, Red! And that’s saying alot, because you’ve got some great ones!


111 posted on 01/07/2012 5:55:42 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo; Gene Eric; lilycicero
I figured it'd be good to create a chronology as an aid for people trying to figure out or remember what this trial is about: What Happened in Haditha?.
112 posted on 01/07/2012 8:39:05 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo

Red, that is absolutely outstanding!


113 posted on 01/07/2012 9:05:03 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing

Great piece, this will be excellent material for any wanting to follow this CM.


114 posted on 01/07/2012 9:12:30 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
Great piece, this will be excellent material for any wanting to follow this CM.

I agree!

Red, would you like to do the honors on a free standing thread?

115 posted on 01/07/2012 9:26:50 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover
That's a very nice summary at that link.
Two things stood out to me:

Survivor Safah Yunis Salim Rasif – through an interpreter – claims a Marine threw a grenade into the room and closed the door. (snip) After the shooting she passed out and remembers pretending she was dead when some Marines came into the room. She heard a Marine say “they are all dead”. When the Marines left, she went to her uncle’s house.

She made claims "through an interpreter", but heard and apparently understood a Marine's alleged statement, “they are all dead”. So, did this Iraqi know English or didn't she?

SSgt Wuterich then went to the damaged 4th vehicle where he met 1stLt William Kallop, who arrived with the quick reaction force. While near the 4th vehicle the Marines received small arm fire from the South. Cpl. Hector Salinas identified a shooter in the vicinity of House 1 (as identified in the investigation). He alerted Kallop to seek cover and fired several M203 40mm grenade rounds at House 1. Wuterich then advised Kallop they should assault House 1. Kallop ordered Wuterich to “clear South” toward it.

A Marine Corps officer was on the scene pretty quickly, and he was giving orders. It's curious, and it may be that this fiasco has dragged on so long I'm forgetting things, but I don't remember why 1stLt. William Kallop was given immunity from prosecution right from the very beginning.

116 posted on 01/07/2012 10:23:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Sure, I'll post this as a thread and we can add links to it on new threads during the weeks to come.

Nat wants me to share to credit for the piece so I'll add my name to the byline. Other than that the only challenge is getting text to wrap around graphics. So I'm doing this as a test!

(Glad to see it works and I haven't forgotten my html tricks during my layoff!)

117 posted on 01/08/2012 5:51:30 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Lancey Howard
All great points, Lancey--your points may be why the prosecution has said they will not use depositions of Haditha witnesses in the SSgt Wuterich trial.

Why Lt Kallop wasn't charged is a mystery. The only explanation I ever heard is that his family is connected wealthy and politically connected. Word was his family lawyers pushed back very early on but I never could find any substantiation for that. So it may not be true. But his family's pushback was reported in Vanity Fair magazine.

118 posted on 01/08/2012 6:13:38 AM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing; natshouse
Sure, I'll post this as a thread and we can add links to it on new threads during the weeks to come.

Excellent...It's concise and will give anyone not familiar with the action a picture of what happened and what the prosecution is trying to prove with the very thin evidence they have, which is practically none.

Nat wants me to share to credit for the piece so I'll add my name to the byline. Other than that the only challenge is getting text to wrap around graphics.

Good for Nat, that's as it should be. I remember the threads with diagrams you posted on this some time back, you put many hours into them.

119 posted on 01/08/2012 9:58:25 AM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover; jazusamo; natshouse
I'll post this as a thread and we can add links to it on new threads during the weeks to come.

OK! It will be a valuable resource in the coming weeks, and the visual aids are a real bonus.

120 posted on 01/08/2012 10:12:36 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover
>> What Happened in Haditha?

Excellent. Bookmarked.

121 posted on 01/08/2012 11:16:35 AM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: smoothsailing
Makes me wanna puke… Thx SS for the post.
I live in a free country because of these heroes. And my country chooses to defile their integrity.
DC is polluted.
122 posted on 01/08/2012 7:21:45 PM PST by bksanders (Taglines - BOGO@www.tagme.com)
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To: bksanders

Thanks for reading,bk. Check back for daily updates. Opening statements in the trial begin tomorrow. You can find the thread title on the sidebar under activism. We also have a ping list if you want to be alerted to new developments.


123 posted on 01/08/2012 7:28:36 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: All
WHAT HAPPENED IN HADITHA?: A Chronology of Events

124 posted on 01/08/2012 7:36:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

BUMP!


125 posted on 01/09/2012 4:04:01 AM PST by RedRover
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I almost broke down as I read the whole report. I keep going back to two extremes. One the good Sargent holding one of his little girls in her bedroom, a picture posted here a few years back. And walking through the horrible events of that day for that squad of Marines on the ground.

SOURCE

126 posted on 01/09/2012 10:54:21 AM PST by smoothsailing ((www.FrankWuterich,com))
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To: smoothsailing; jazusamo

Nat’s banging on a piece. Says he has good stuff. Not exactly sure when I’ll get it, standing by.


127 posted on 01/09/2012 5:24:29 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover; smoothsailing

Great...I’ll be here and looking forward to it. If I can help, let me know.


128 posted on 01/09/2012 5:28:58 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover

Hey guys!

Just checking in, been watching the BCS Bowl.

Roll Tide!


129 posted on 01/09/2012 7:52:25 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover

With that field goal The Tide just about wrapped it up. Go Tide!


130 posted on 01/09/2012 8:08:34 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

It’s looking good!


131 posted on 01/09/2012 8:13:17 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: jazusamo; RedRover
This must be from the defense opening statement...

SOURCE: Stars and Stripes-January 9,2012

When Wuterich and other Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, had arrived in Haditha in the fall of 2005, they were warned by intelligence officers that Haditha would be “another Fallujah,” the site of the bloodiest urban fighting involving Marines since Vietnam.

The battalion that the Three-One had replaced had had two dozen Marines killed in combat. Insurgents had beheaded locals who had been friendly to the Marines.

The Marines were warned that fighters from Syria were flooding into Haditha to mount “complex attacks” with snipers and buried roadside bombs and that the fighters would hide behind non-combatants.

And so when a roadside bomb exploded beneath a Marine convoy, Marines were convinced that a complex attack was under way, Faraj said. Attacks were under way in other parts of Haditha as well.

The defense will question the competency of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and suggest that Marine brass panicked and began looking for scapegoats when Time magazine splashed the story of the Haditha killings as a “massacre.”

A military investigator had concluded that Wuterich and his Marines had done nothing wrong, that the deaths of noncombatants were tragic but not proof of an illegal act.

When there are multiple reports of being under fire from a location, it is unreasonable to expect each Marine to stop to decide whether each individual in that location presents a “hostile act,” the investigator concluded.

In the weeks after the incident, Wuterich was recommended for promotion and a commendation for having been cool under fire that morning. But within months, after the magazine story ignited a political firestorm in the U.S. and Iraq, Wuterich and seven other Marines were charged.

132 posted on 01/09/2012 8:28:22 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover
This must be from the defense opening statement...

It sure looks like it and it's all true...Very powerful.

LSU is done for.

133 posted on 01/09/2012 8:37:12 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing

Excellent summary.
It should be the defense’s closing remarks.


134 posted on 01/09/2012 8:42:37 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard; smoothsailing; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero
We have more details here about the defense opening statement at Defend Our Marines: COURTROOM SHOCKER! EVIDENCE OF INSURGENTS IN HADITHA'S HOSTILE HOUSES, DEFENSE CLAIMS.

Looks like the defense attorneys intend to nail NCIS and the government for all the evidence they ignored. Can't wait.

135 posted on 01/09/2012 8:53:37 PM PST by RedRover
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To: jazusamo
LSU is done for.

Tide 21-Zip! :)

136 posted on 01/09/2012 8:59:22 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover
Looks like the defense attorneys intend to nail NCIS and the government for all the evidence they ignored. Can't wait.

Excellent, it's way past time they did. I can't wait either.

137 posted on 01/09/2012 9:10:33 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero
Looks like the defense attorneys intend to nail NCIS and the government for all the evidence they ignored. Can't wait.

I agree, Red, there's been way too much waiting, it's time to nail the NCIS and the rest of those perfumed princes.

[According to Faraj, “30 percent” of the expended cartridges found in what is now called House Number Two were Kalashnikov 7.62mm AK-47 cartridges and a number 9mm pistol rounds that weren’t fired by attacking Marines where eight people died.

The government ignored it, “ Faraj added incredulously. “Where did this come from, where did the 7.62 come from? Who was in the back bedroom, who shot the 9mm rounds?”"]

138 posted on 01/09/2012 9:14:35 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

Wow! That’s a nice write-up. If this is the best Gannon can do, I’d say it’s all over but the wailing of the America-hating future Democrat politician wannabes (aka, the military prosecutors). By the way, is Sean Sullivan still around?


139 posted on 01/09/2012 9:19:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; Marine_Uncle
Testimony continues Tuesday morning, with members of Wuterich's squad scheduled to testify.
140 posted on 01/09/2012 9:21:21 PM PST by smoothsailing
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By the way, is Sean Sullivan still around?

Yep, he's in the #2 seat under Gannon.

141 posted on 01/09/2012 9:23:36 PM PST by jazusamo (If you don't like growing older, don't worry. You may not be growing older much longer: T. Sowell)
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To: RedRover

It’s absurd this “shocker!” is news to anyone that’s been following the Haditha story. It’s good, however, it’s finally getting the blistering light of day. And that can happen without the support of the scumbags in major media.


142 posted on 01/09/2012 9:29:02 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: Lancey Howard

“The government is represented by veteran prosecutors Maj. Nicholas Gannon assisted by LtCol. Sean Sullivan, well known during the early pre-trial investigations for his fiery temper and forceful court room manner.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2829397/posts


143 posted on 01/09/2012 9:38:04 PM PST by smoothsailing
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“The government is represented by veteran prosecutors Maj. Nicholas Gannon assisted by LtCol. Sean Sullivan, well known during the early pre-trial investigations for his fiery temper and forceful court room manner.”

Thanks. I somehow missed that.
It is interesting that the #2 seat outranks the lead prosecutor for this trial.

My favorite quote from Nat's Friday report:

“I can’t think of a single witness desiring of being helpful to the government,” complained chief prosecutor Major Nicholas Gannon at the conclusion the tedious two-day voir dire proceeding.

144 posted on 01/09/2012 9:58:29 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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That Gannon quote is a hoot. My first thought when I saw it was “Gee, I wonder where he got that idea.”


145 posted on 01/09/2012 10:07:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
The telling thing is, if Gannon "can’t think of a single witness desiring of being helpful to the government,” then the only way the (jury) panel of combat veterans will be "helpful to the government" is if the deck is stacked. I sure hope that's not the case. I also hope there's not some cowardly wink-and-nod "split the difference" outcome where Frank is convicted of some pissant minor count just so the prosecution can feel good about themselves. The fact is, I don't trust any of these people as far as I can kick them. I really hope my faith (at least some of it) is restored by the quick, full exoneration SSgt Wuterich deserves.
146 posted on 01/09/2012 10:23:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I really hope my faith (at least some of it) is restored by the quick, full exoneration SSgt Wuterich deserves.

My thoughts are similar. Beyond the sheer idiocy of bringing charges in the first place, this whole nightmare has reeked of the stench of undue command influence from the get go. Anything less than a full and unconditional exoneration is just unacceptable and would forever be an indelible stain on military justice.

147 posted on 01/09/2012 10:57:27 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; Gene Eric; Girlene

The scuttlebutt on the Gannon quote is that he’s calling members of SSgt Wuterich’s squad to the stand. They had just told him that they would only answer “yes” or “no” to his questions.

Some rumors have it that LCpl Tatum may testify today. Others say there be more investigation witnesses. So we’ll see.

By the way, after Col Watt, the other two witnesses yesterday were two members of his team. More of the same from them.


148 posted on 01/10/2012 4:52:30 AM PST by RedRover
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To: Gene Eric

So right, Gene! The media sees what it wants to see—and what they want to see is America and her military in a bad light.


149 posted on 01/10/2012 4:59:04 AM PST by RedRover
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover; All

Thanks for the updates, smooth and all. Did atty Faraj get this expended cartridge info from an NCIS investigation of the scene or elsewhere? 9 mm????

As to the PID part of the ROE, I didn’t think this was in play (at the time) once a location was considered hostile.


150 posted on 01/10/2012 6:24:37 AM PST by Girlene
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