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L.A. Arsonist Person of Interest Detained (LAPD Chief confident we found our man)
http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/02/la-arson-arrested-arsonist/#.TwH-s3LeuuI | 1/2/2012 | tmz.com

Posted on 01/02/2012 11:19:59 AM PST by dragnet2

LAPD officers swarmed and handcuffed what they described as a "person of interest" in the Los Angeles arsonist spree that has left thousands of residents scared out of their wits for days.

Fire officials say "it is too early to speculate" if this is the person responsible for the fires.

Police have already released surveillance video showing the alleged suspect -- a ponytailed Steven Seagal lookalike (below). As you can see in our video ... the man in custody sports a ponytail

Cops previously said 39 fires could be linked to the recent rash of arsons ... and another 11 were reportedly set last night.

It's not 100% clear from the footage -- but several witnesses confirm what appears to be a creepy smile on the man's face as he sat in the back of the squad car (below).

9:32 AM PT: Riding in an equestrian unit this morning at the Rose Parade, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said, "We are we are very confident we found our man."

8:13 AM PT: Police say fire-starting materials were found in the man's van, which displayed Canadian license plates. According to reports, the materials include charcoal.

0102_thevan_tmz_wm2 8:00 AM PT: There are reports the man may be a German national, who is angry that his mother is being deported from the US. An immigration agent helped identify him.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arson; arsonist; burkhart; captured; domesticterrorism; ihateamerica; laarsonist; lapd; losangeles; terrorism; threatmatrix
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There are reports the man may be a German national, who is angry that his mother is being deported from the US. An immigration agent helped identify him.

Oh yeah!

1 posted on 01/02/2012 11:20:03 AM PST by dragnet2
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2 posted on 01/02/2012 11:21:19 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

3 posted on 01/02/2012 11:22:48 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All

8:13 AM PT: Police say fire-starting materials were found in the man’s van, which displayed Canadian license plates. According to reports, the materials include charcoal.


4 posted on 01/02/2012 11:23:24 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All

Grinning?

Canadian plates?

German? Foreign national?

5 posted on 01/02/2012 11:32:14 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I hate this “person of interest” crap. It is just the police using weasel words to try to question them without actually telling them that they are a suspect and reading them their rights.

No, you aren’t a suspect, you are just a “person of interest”. Give me a break.


6 posted on 01/02/2012 11:34:03 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: dragnet2

Take him and hang him by his ugly ass ponytail of his. I heard a bunch of firetrucks last night so I knew something was going down. Hit an area not too far from me. The LA Slimes supposedly have this guy’s blog where he goes on and on about how immigrants are destroying the world..this guy is anarchist scum


7 posted on 01/02/2012 11:37:58 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: dragnet2

Is he wearing something on his head in this photo? I have been reading for hours and my eyes are shot.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 11:38:13 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

A Steven Seagal lookalike? Are you kidding me?


9 posted on 01/02/2012 11:41:06 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

He looks more like Ricky Gervais, if I were Steven Segal I would be pretty pissed that people are comparing this madman to him


10 posted on 01/02/2012 11:44:14 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I hate this “person of interest” crap. It is just the police using weasel words to try to question them without actually telling them that they are a suspect and reading them their rights.

I suspect more than a person of interest.

LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said, "We are we are very confident we found our man."

8:13 AM PT: Police say fire-starting materials were found in the man's van, which displayed Canadian license plates.

11 posted on 01/02/2012 11:45:34 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MestaMachine

Appears to be his pony tail.


12 posted on 01/02/2012 11:48:23 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
There are reports that the man may be a German national who is angry that his mother is being deported from the US.

Another example of Illegals thinking of themselves as "victims".

13 posted on 01/02/2012 11:48:46 AM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: dragnet2

Thank God they found him.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 11:50:30 AM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: Churchillspirit

A federal immigration agent helped police identify the man arrested early Monday on suspicion of setting dozens of fires around Hollywood, West Hollywood, and North Hollywood, causing hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage and terrifying thousands of residents fearful their cars or homes could be next.

The man in custody, a foreign national whose name has not yet been made public, began setting the fires last week after his mother was detained for deportation by federal immigration authorities, the sources confirmed, and said the man was likely setting fires out of anger over the federal action.

An immigration agent immediately recognized the suspected arsonist when police released security video Sunday that showed a heavy-set man with a ponytail leaving the scene of a fire on Hollywood Blvd.

By 9 p.m. Sunday night, police had set up surveillance at the man’s home, ready to arrest him if he returned home, and the man’s name and vehicle description had been sent out to the hundreds of LAPD officers, detectives, deputy sheriffs, and arson investigators prowling the streets.

An L.A. County Sheriff’s patrol spotted the man’s car, a black Dodge minivan with British Columbia license plates, parked outside a Rite-Aid store Monday morning.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 11:51:42 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Churchillspirit
The man in custody, a foreign national whose name has not yet been made public

Yet another example of our lunatic, free for all, immigration policies?

16 posted on 01/02/2012 11:54:18 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Here is wht it is. Good old tmz.

Made the photo look like had quilted headgear on.

17 posted on 01/02/2012 11:58:12 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
The prime suspect in the series of up to 55 blazes in the Los Angeles area told authorities upon his detention, "I hate America," according to ABC News sources directly involved in the case.
18 posted on 01/02/2012 11:58:47 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Churchillspirit
The prime suspect in the series of up to 55 blazes in the Los Angeles area told authorities upon his detention:

"I hate America,"

According to ABC News sources directly involved in the case.

19 posted on 01/02/2012 12:01:05 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

So he said “I Hate America” yep, sounds like someone who would fit perfectly into the Occupy Bowel Movement group


20 posted on 01/02/2012 12:02:56 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: dragnet2
Canada? Ad Busters and the Occupy Wall Street psychos?
21 posted on 01/02/2012 12:04:39 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Sarah Barracuda
"I hate America,"

For some reason, I am just not surprised.

22 posted on 01/02/2012 12:04:47 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Madame Dufarge
Canada? Ad Busters and the Occupy Wall Street psychos?

Appears to be a foreign national, who upon his arrest, yelled, "I hate America".

23 posted on 01/02/2012 12:07:47 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The good news is that CA passed a new Law that makes carrying an unloaded Firearm in Public illegal.

I feel safer already.


24 posted on 01/02/2012 12:09:06 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
So he said “I Hate America”

Next we'll be told, "This is not a hate crime".

25 posted on 01/02/2012 12:09:10 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Kickass Conservative

News conference up coming.


26 posted on 01/02/2012 12:11:41 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

“person of interest”

That retarded weasel-word meaningless phrase pops up YET again. there is no such thing. There are “witnesses”, “citizens”, etc,,whom the officer does not believe to be involved.

Once “reasonable suspicion” indicates that someone is the possible offender, they are a “suspect”, not a “person of interest”.
Once the investigation raises “reasonable suspicion” to the higher standard of “”probable cause” they are the “accused”.

“Person of interest” is precisely the same as “suspect”. Any cop using the term “person of interest” exposes themself as an incompetent.


27 posted on 01/02/2012 12:24:57 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dragnet2

So he fits the profile...:-)


28 posted on 01/02/2012 12:26:57 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“No, you aren’t a suspect, you are just a “person of interest”. Give me a break.”

Amen,, when the cop finds the “person of interest”, they mirandize them, cuff them, detain them, etc,,,while the ongoing investigation is generating probable cause for arrest. The term is indeed “suspect”. Futhermore, nothing separates “person of interest” from “suspect. Absolutely nothing.


29 posted on 01/02/2012 12:29:16 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

If I weren’t afraid of making Steven Segal even madder, I could swear that this guy is Rosie O’Donnell.


30 posted on 01/02/2012 12:29:16 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Sarah Barracuda
"The LA Slimes supposedly have this guy’s blog where he goes on and on about how immigrants are destroying the world."

Well ummm, illegal immigrants ARE destroying this country.

31 posted on 01/02/2012 12:34:45 PM PST by lwoodham (Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“It is just the police using weasel words to try to question them without actually telling them that they are a suspect and reading them their rights.”

Even if you call them “person of interest”, they better be read their rights and treated exactly like a “suspect” if the evidence created reasonable suspicion that this guy did the crime. That will certainly occur here, and will set him free if they do not yet still use anything he says. They aren’t trying to avoid reading rights,,, it is simply a term the like because they are afraid to use the term “suspect” for PC reasons.


32 posted on 01/02/2012 12:36:45 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dragnet2

He looks like a commie..I even read some tweets from Dems who call this guy a Patriot for destroying foreign cars..yeah apparently Dems are OK with attempted murder


33 posted on 01/02/2012 12:36:45 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Kickass Conservative

“The good news is that CA passed a new Law that makes carrying an unloaded Firearm in Public illegal.”

“I feel safer already.”
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Makes sense to me, you shouldn’t be carrying if you don’t have sense enough to load.


34 posted on 01/02/2012 12:38:52 PM PST by RipSawyer (This does not end well!)
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To: DesertRhino
Actually, there is. A person of interest might not actually be a witness, but someone who simply has a connection to or someone with knowledge of a suspect or information regarding a crime. And many times, they will not call a suspect a suspect if the suspect is still outstanding, as they try to avoid their person of interest heading for the tall grass. If the person of interest hears they are being called a suspect, many times they will run/hide.

Other times, they are called a person of interest, until the person is actually charged with a specific crime. Many times, they wait until the person being detained, has their home/vehicles searched for additional evidence prior to calling the person of interest, a suspect.

There are a few other reasons for doing this as well.

35 posted on 01/02/2012 12:42:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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“A person of interest might not actually be a witness, but someone who simply has a connection to or someone with knowledge of a suspect or information regarding a crime”

Thats called a material witness. And when you find them, courts don’t require them to be mirandized. You don’t mirandize them unless they say something that makes you think they are actually involved. IE,,knocking on the door of the girlfriends house to see if she knows where the suspect is. When the non-suspect interviewee (material witness) says “we burned the cars because,,,”, Then they become a suspect.

And there is no difference.
As you said,,
“they are called a person of interest, until the person is actually charged with a specific crime. Many times, they wait until the person being detained, has their home/vehicles searched for additional evidence prior to calling the person of interest, a suspect.”

If you are detained, and a specific incident is being investigated, and they are merely deciding what charges make sense,,,, and executing search warrants. You are a “suspect”. They can call you “Mr green Jeans”,,, but every supreme court case calls you a suspect.

Id like you to refer me to a case that seperates “suspect” from “person of interest”. There isn’t one. It’s a meaningless word, used by Chiefs, PIO’s, and Nancy Grace.


36 posted on 01/02/2012 1:03:13 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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And many times, they will not call a suspect a suspect if the suspect is still outstanding, as they try to avoid their person of interest heading for the tall grass. If the person of interest hears they are being called or considered a suspect, many times they will run/hide.
37 posted on 01/02/2012 1:12:26 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Someone will most likely find him on video roaming the LA occupy camp.
Misery needs company.


Can we burn him at the stake?

38 posted on 01/02/2012 1:12:44 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: DesertRhino

BTW, don’t let the term, “Person of interest” drive ya crazy. It’s been used for many years and for good reason...Such as when things go bad on the investigation side etc.


39 posted on 01/02/2012 1:17:01 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cindy; FARS

Ping to 18.


40 posted on 01/02/2012 1:17:34 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: dragnet2

In criminal law regarding investigations, there are only four classes of people;

1) People not thought to have committed any crime in question. Cops often talk to these, seeking information. This includes people with “connections”, or even “knowledge” of the crime. No miranda, etc is required.

2) People who the evidence reasonably indicates MAY have committed the crime. These are suspects. Suspects gain their name from the term “reasonable suspicion”. They are the person reasonably “suspected” of the crime. As the investigation progresses, they might be exonerated and released, or charged. When interviewed,, miranda et al apply.

3) People who the evidence provides “probable cause” for charging. It is no longer a matter of “reasonable suspicion”. Now the evidence says this person did it and we can prove it. These people are charged and prosecuted.

4) Last,, the convicted. The evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they did the crime.

Name them anything you want. But “persons of interest” are a lame PIO attempt to blend one and two. Fine for TV. But the courts will later segregate people into these four categories, and expect that the rules for each will be followed. When the cops clearly think you did it because every bit of evidence points to you,, and they are hunting YOU and only YOU. They better treat you with the rules of category two, if they want to win.
These categories have long existed- and still exist.

If you want to use person of interest as a substitute for “suspect,, fine. But it isn’t a new separate category.
(legally speaking)


41 posted on 01/02/2012 1:21:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dragnet2

In criminal law regarding investigations, there are only four classes of people;

1) People not thought to have committed any crime in question. Cops often talk to these, seeking information. This includes people with “connections”, or even “knowledge” of the crime. No miranda, etc is required.

2) People who the evidence reasonably indicates MAY have committed the crime. These are suspects. Suspects gain their name from the term “reasonable suspicion”. They are the person reasonably “suspected” of the crime. As the investigation progresses, they might be exonerated and released, or charged. When interviewed,, miranda et al apply.

3) People who the evidence provides “probable cause” for charging. It is no longer a matter of “reasonable suspicion”. Now the evidence says this person did it and we can prove it. These people are charged and prosecuted.

4) Last,, the convicted. The evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they did the crime.

Name them anything you want. But “persons of interest” are a lame PIO attempt to blend one and two. Fine for TV. But the courts will later segregate people into these four categories, and expect that the rules for each will be followed. When the cops clearly think you did it because every bit of evidence points to you,, and they are hunting YOU and only YOU. They better treat you with the rules of category two, if they want to win.
These categories have long existed- and still exist.

If you want to use person of interest as a substitute for “suspect,, fine. But it isn’t a new separate category.
(legally speaking)


42 posted on 01/02/2012 1:21:57 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

I like the British description: “assisting the police in their inquiries”.


43 posted on 01/02/2012 1:25:17 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: dragnet2

Send him to Guantanamo, for a long time.


44 posted on 01/02/2012 1:30:48 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: MaxMax

Can we burn him at the stake?


Im all for doing that..burn his ass alive, see how he likes it


45 posted on 01/02/2012 1:33:38 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ArmstedFragg

Interestingly,, the DOJ and federal courts have no difinition for the term “person of interest”. It is simply a euphemism for “Suspect”,, and it’s catchy sounding for PIOs. It sounds like something an actress on CSI might say.

Senator Grassley even asked the Ashcroft DOJ to define the term in reference to it’s use in the 9/11 anthrax case, and after the response, concluded that it actually HAS no official definition.

Now the Brits,, thats an odd world with some very different approaches!


46 posted on 01/02/2012 1:36:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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“I hate America!” will get him a good bit of support from lots of RATS and other vermin in Cali.


47 posted on 01/02/2012 1:41:35 PM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Lockbar
“I hate America!”

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Sounds like a moslem to me. Did he scream 'Allah Akbar' as the homes went up in smoke?

48 posted on 01/02/2012 1:47:06 PM PST by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: dragnet2

A previous thread suggested muslim related.

Any info re; this perp’s “religous” associations?


49 posted on 01/02/2012 1:50:17 PM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: newfreep

Not yet that I have seen.


50 posted on 01/02/2012 1:53:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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